[CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi - page 11.

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Quote from: ajochems on December 20, 2021, 02:50:05 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on November 18, 2021, 12:35:16 PM

6 days left before the start of the championship battle between the reigning champions Magnus Carlsen and the winner of the Candidates Tournament Ian Nepomniachtchi.
There is a rather long distance ahead - at least 14 matches, if they do not reveal the winners, then a tie-break will take place (the previous time Magnus defended his title in a tie-break, since all the classic 12 matches ended in a draw).
Carlsen looks like the most obvious favorite, and the odds of his victory (in classic games, excluding the tie-break) look abnormally profitable: 1.9 Nepomniachtchi odds 3.3 and draw odds 4.0
Will anyone be placing bets on this event?

Chess is wonderful gave with huge tactics. The person who doing the first mistake will be loser at the end. Once the opponent use the wrong move correctly.With this the person who taken the next person queen will be the winner for 90%. This two players game was unique and watched by all chess lovers.Even I was addicted to chess and don't miss those people matches at anycost. You will win, if you keep on learning by playing chess.

I don't know if the chess21 site still exists, but it was one of the ones I frequented the most when I was in college studying engineering, and one of the things I liked the most was playing soccer, going to play chess and of course going to college. classes, but many times due to chess fever I missed some classes that were not so relevant to the career, it is that I am really passionate about chess, and even so there are moves that these athletes make that I still do not understand, I only understand them when I analyze them many times.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on December 21, 2021, 03:43:44 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on December 21, 2021, 09:56:40 AM

I think these words of Magnus about the next world championship and Firouja are still a joke. Magnus has always behaved as adequately as possible and it is difficult to expect that he will insist on such an absurdity. But even for this joke, Magnus received a lot of criticism from the entire chess community (and I must admit it was fair).
The only thing that worries me about the next world championship is that no one wants (at least I don't see any serious movement in this direction) to change the tournament formula. The format when the reigning champion remains above the fight and waits for a single contender has long outlived its usefulness.

which way you think it would be better?
champion competing from the beginning so we'd have the possibility to see totally new players on the finals, past champion wouldn't have a guaranteed spot? (I'm not fully sure on how it works nowadays, just had an idea from your comment)

Any system where the reigning champion will not have privileges and where he will start the fight for the crown from the same stage as other contenders. It can be a round robin or cup system, or a round robin with the transition to elimination matches. Any system will be better than the old one, which has already lost its relevance for 50 (or more) years. Imagine that in football, the reigning champion is waiting for his opponent in the final. This is complete nonsense, but in chess it is a reality.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on December 21, 2021, 09:56:40 AM

I think these words of Magnus about the next world championship and Firouja are still a joke. Magnus has always behaved as adequately as possible and it is difficult to expect that he will insist on such an absurdity. But even for this joke, Magnus received a lot of criticism from the entire chess community (and I must admit it was fair).
The only thing that worries me about the next world championship is that no one wants (at least I don't see any serious movement in this direction) to change the tournament formula. The format when the reigning champion remains above the fight and waits for a single contender has long outlived its usefulness.

which way you think it would be better?
champion competing from the beginning so we'd have the possibility to see totally new players on the finals, past champion wouldn't have a guaranteed spot? (I'm not fully sure on how it works nowadays, just had an idea from your comment)

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I think these words of Magnus about the next world championship and Firouja are still a joke. Magnus has always behaved as adequately as possible and it is difficult to expect that he will insist on such an absurdity. But even for this joke, Magnus received a lot of criticism from the entire chess community (and I must admit it was fair).
The only thing that worries me about the next world championship is that no one wants (at least I don't see any serious movement in this direction) to change the tournament formula. The format when the reigning champion remains above the fight and waits for a single contender has long outlived its usefulness.

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Quote from: ajochems on December 20, 2021, 02:50:05 PM

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I remember a friend telling me that usually in basic games the one who makes less mistakes will win
but when you get to more advanced level there are strategies and tatics to develop, so it's not only about avoiding mistakes but also about having a good strategy

I agree that chess is a fascinating and challenging game

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Quote from: Boristhecat on November 18, 2021, 12:35:16 PM

6 days left before the start of the championship battle between the reigning champions Magnus Carlsen and the winner of the Candidates Tournament Ian Nepomniachtchi.
There is a rather long distance ahead - at least 14 matches, if they do not reveal the winners, then a tie-break will take place (the previous time Magnus defended his title in a tie-break, since all the classic 12 matches ended in a draw).
Carlsen looks like the most obvious favorite, and the odds of his victory (in classic games, excluding the tie-break) look abnormally profitable: 1.9 Nepomniachtchi odds 3.3 and draw odds 4.0
Will anyone be placing bets on this event?

Chess is wonderful gave with huge tactics. The person who doing the first mistake will be loser at the end. Once the opponent use the wrong move correctly.With this the person who taken the next person queen will be the winner for 90%. This two players game was unique and watched by all chess lovers.Even I was addicted to chess and don't miss those people matches at anycost. You will win, if you keep on learning by playing chess.

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Quote from: aoluain on December 18, 2021, 04:08:54 AM

Yes I agree too, it is always exciting to see the top players play each other, especially
numbers 1 and 2, but it doesnt always work out like that and it is not a guarantee
that it would produce the best matches, and this is true for all sports really.

Does Carlsen mean he wants to play Firouzja at some stage in the tournament
or in the final? surely he cannot make demands like that?

Carlsen wanted to play against Firouzja in the next WC classical championship match since he sees the potential of him being the next world champion. If you would see the games that Alireza played, he performed exceptionally well especially that he became the youngest player to break the 2800 rating.

Of course, Carlsen CANNOT make any demands like that but he certainly may inspire Alireza to perform better so that the latter could participate in the next candidates next year. Like what Magnus mentioned, he is undoubtedly looking forward to play against him.

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Quote from: alegotardo on December 17, 2021, 07:43:11 PM

Quote from: qwertyup23 on December 17, 2021, 10:28:54 AM

Did you guys learn about the recent news on Magnus, announcing that he would not participate in the next WC championship if his opponent is not Firouzja? What are your thoughts on his statement about it?

In my opinion, the preparation of the WC title is too demanding especially that it takes around months of preparation and focus needed. Maybe Carlsen does not have to prove anything as he is considered the best player in today's generation.

It takes a lot of nerds to create certain snags and disagreements like that.
I like chess a lot, but for me it was never more than a hoobie and honestly I can't understand what would make a high level athlete like that not to win a world tournament because he doesn't agree that his opponent is any other.
Have you ever thought if something similar happened at the FIFA World Cup? It would be completely insane!

you are right,but I'd compare it with sports with one athlete maybe like tennis instead of team sports, because it's easier to know the opinions of 1 person than team ones, I wouldn't see so many situations happening like that with big teams, makes sense?

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on December 17, 2021, 06:56:29 PM

Quote from: babygun on December 17, 2021, 12:05:58 PM

Quote from: qwertyup23 on December 17, 2021, 10:28:54 AM

Did you guys learn about the recent news on Magnus, announcing that he would not participate in the next WC championship if his opponent is not Firouzja? What are your thoughts on his statement about it?

In my opinion, the preparation of the WC title is too demanding especially that it takes around months of preparation and focus needed. Maybe Carlsen does not have to prove anything as he is considered the best player in today's generation.

I also read the news and lets hope that he still wants to defend his title even if his opponent is not Firouzja. I can understand Carlsen, as you say, a preparation for the WC title is very demanding and time consuming but it would be a pity if he doesn't participate. Also for his opponents it would be bad news as you always want to win against the best.

yes, agree with babygun here
I haven't read these news yet, but would be nice for his opponent to have a chance against the best
though we don't know their personal goals and life besides career too, maybe he wants to pursue other things

Yes I agree too, it is always exciting to see the top players play each other, especially
numbers 1 and 2, but it doesnt always work out like that and it is not a guarantee
that it would produce the best matches, and this is true for all sports really.

Does Carlsen mean he wants to play Firouzja at some stage in the tournament
or in the final? surely he cannot make demands like that?

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Quote from: alegotardo on December 17, 2021, 07:43:11 PM

Quote from: qwertyup23 on December 17, 2021, 10:28:54 AM

Did you guys learn about the recent news on Magnus, announcing that he would not participate in the next WC championship if his opponent is not Firouzja? What are your thoughts on his statement about it?

In my opinion, the preparation of the WC title is too demanding especially that it takes around months of preparation and focus needed. Maybe Carlsen does not have to prove anything as he is considered the best player in today's generation.

It takes a lot of nerds to create certain snags and disagreements like that.
I like chess a lot, but for me it was never more than a hoobie and honestly I can't understand what would make a high level athlete like that not to win a world tournament because he doesn't agree that his opponent is any other.
Have you ever thought if something similar happened at the FIFA World Cup? It would be completely insane!

I somehow agree with your post but I think we have to consider the amount of preparation that these players go through every time they participate in the WC championship. As Magnus had mentioned, it took him months and months of intense focus and preparation but he feels like he does not have to prove anything to anyone in classical format.

Though Carlsen mentioned that he was looking forward for the blitz and rapid championship with motivates him further. In addition, he also did mention that his next goal would be to break the 2900 rating barrier.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on December 17, 2021, 10:28:54 AM

Did you guys learn about the recent news on Magnus, announcing that he would not participate in the next WC championship if his opponent is not Firouzja? What are your thoughts on his statement about it?

In my opinion, the preparation of the WC title is too demanding especially that it takes around months of preparation and focus needed. Maybe Carlsen does not have to prove anything as he is considered the best player in today's generation.

It takes a lot of nerds to create certain snags and disagreements like that.
I like chess a lot, but for me it was never more than a hoobie and honestly I can't understand what would make a high level athlete like that not to win a world tournament because he doesn't agree that his opponent is any other.
Have you ever thought if something similar happened at the FIFA World Cup? It would be completely insane!

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Quote from: babygun on December 17, 2021, 12:05:58 PM

Quote from: qwertyup23 on December 17, 2021, 10:28:54 AM

Did you guys learn about the recent news on Magnus, announcing that he would not participate in the next WC championship if his opponent is not Firouzja? What are your thoughts on his statement about it?

In my opinion, the preparation of the WC title is too demanding especially that it takes around months of preparation and focus needed. Maybe Carlsen does not have to prove anything as he is considered the best player in today's generation.

I also read the news and lets hope that he still wants to defend his title even if his opponent is not Firouzja. I can understand Carlsen, as you say, a preparation for the WC title is very demanding and time consuming but it would be a pity if he doesn't participate. Also for his opponents it would be bad news as you always want to win against the best.

yes, agree with babygun here
I haven't read these news yet, but would be nice for his opponent to have a chance against the best
though we don't know their personal goals and life besides career too, maybe he wants to pursue other things

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on December 17, 2021, 10:28:54 AM

Did you guys learn about the recent news on Magnus, announcing that he would not participate in the next WC championship if his opponent is not Firouzja? What are your thoughts on his statement about it?

In my opinion, the preparation of the WC title is too demanding especially that it takes around months of preparation and focus needed. Maybe Carlsen does not have to prove anything as he is considered the best player in today's generation.

I also read the news and lets hope that he still wants to defend his title even if his opponent is not Firouzja. I can understand Carlsen, as you say, a preparation for the WC title is very demanding and time consuming but it would be a pity if he doesn't participate. Also for his opponents it would be bad news as you always want to win against the best.

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Did you guys learn about the recent news on Magnus, announcing that he would not participate in the next WC championship if his opponent is not Firouzja? What are your thoughts on his statement about it?

In my opinion, the preparation of the WC title is too demanding especially that it takes around months of preparation and focus needed. Maybe Carlsen does not have to prove anything as he is considered the best player in today's generation.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on December 11, 2021, 02:21:53 AM

Quote from: eaLiTy on December 10, 2021, 02:58:34 PM

So the tournament is finally over at Game 11 and we do not see the rest of the matches because Magnus Carlsen won comprehensively with 7½ points and i did not expect much from Ian Nepomniachtchi as he made blunders in this match which gave Magnus Carlsen the opportunity to finish him and it was a great game, but i missed some of the matches and i need to see those game play and replicate that to understand the game.

This confrontation reminded me of some boxing fights when, before the first knockout, there is complete equality in the ring, and after one of the boxers is knocked out, he can no longer recover and the remaining rounds become a formality. After the first defeat, Nepo disintegrated and ceased resistance. It's a pity. Apparently Magnus has a few more years before a new generation of players like Firouja gain strength and dethrone him.

I agree completely with this, the first loss of Nepomniachtchi was without a doubt a crushing blow from which he never recovered, after all we must remember that even if they are great players they are also human and this was a loss that demoralized him to the point he made all of those mistakes and then lost the match relatively easily, on the other hand it was a masterful move by Carlsen as he was able to read his opponent to perfection and was able to deliver such a crushing blow that eventually gave him an easy victory over him.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on December 14, 2021, 05:20:29 AM

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This is not patriotism, but some kind of cave-like emotions, I am surprised that intellectual people show them so clearly.

well, maybe we can go deeper on the subject and realize that patriotism is in reality a cave-like emotion that after all doesn't make a lot of sense...

I agree with @aoluain that people need to relax

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Quote from: Boristhecat on December 14, 2021, 05:20:29 AM

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Quote from: Boristhecat on December 12, 2021, 05:01:28 PM

At the moment, a scandal has erupted in Russia due to the fact that Magnus published the list of his team members and there was a grandmaster from Russia - Daniil Dubov. Dubov has been cooperating with Magnus for a long time and in fact it was expected, but for some reason many Russian grandmasters (and officials) assessed this as a "betrayal" and attacked Dubov with criticism.
An interesting situation, but it seems to me that the main reason is that they are only dissatisfied with the result of the Magnus-Nepo match and this is just a way to pour out their emotions.

Sergey Karjakin tweeted a jab against Dubov for supporting Carlsen but he forgot about the fact that he used to train in the UK and later on pledged his loyalty to Putin. Again, this is not an issue about patriotism as chess is an international sport with two people fighting for the world title. It should not be political (although the history depicts it as such) and should only focus on talent of the players.

If that were the case also, then Kasparov should be under scandal when he trained Magnus when he was young, also Karpov. I really do think that the Russians are going too overboard on this issue especially that they tackled on the topic about 'patriotism' when such is not the case.

I am from Russia myself, so I can say that this scandal has many layers and is actively developing - a large part of the Russian-speaking chess community has already been drawn into it. In fact, I am shocked by the opinions of many respected chess players who are now showing aggression towards Dubov, demanding his exclusion from the national team, etc. This is not patriotism, but some kind of cave-like emotions, I am surprised that intellectual people show them so clearly.

OMG some people need to relax, its just a sport, it isnt actually war games,
it isnt Russia against some other power. Indeed its two players pitting their
skills against each other with a team of their choosing. Actually its similar
to tennis in that its an individual sport but a big supporting team in the background,
usually of different nationalities.

This thing now is very idealistic

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on December 13, 2021, 12:00:06 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on December 12, 2021, 05:01:28 PM

At the moment, a scandal has erupted in Russia due to the fact that Magnus published the list of his team members and there was a grandmaster from Russia - Daniil Dubov. Dubov has been cooperating with Magnus for a long time and in fact it was expected, but for some reason many Russian grandmasters (and officials) assessed this as a "betrayal" and attacked Dubov with criticism.
An interesting situation, but it seems to me that the main reason is that they are only dissatisfied with the result of the Magnus-Nepo match and this is just a way to pour out their emotions.

Sergey Karjakin tweeted a jab against Dubov for supporting Carlsen but he forgot about the fact that he used to train in the UK and later on pledged his loyalty to Putin. Again, this is not an issue about patriotism as chess is an international sport with two people fighting for the world title. It should not be political (although the history depicts it as such) and should only focus on talent of the players.

If that were the case also, then Kasparov should be under scandal when he trained Magnus when he was young, also Karpov. I really do think that the Russians are going too overboard on this issue especially that they tackled on the topic about 'patriotism' when such is not the case.

I am from Russia myself, so I can say that this scandal has many layers and is actively developing - a large part of the Russian-speaking chess community has already been drawn into it. In fact, I am shocked by the opinions of many respected chess players who are now showing aggression towards Dubov, demanding his exclusion from the national team, etc. This is not patriotism, but some kind of cave-like emotions, I am surprised that intellectual people show them so clearly.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on December 12, 2021, 05:01:28 PM

At the moment, a scandal has erupted in Russia due to the fact that Magnus published the list of his team members and there was a grandmaster from Russia - Daniil Dubov. Dubov has been cooperating with Magnus for a long time and in fact it was expected, but for some reason many Russian grandmasters (and officials) assessed this as a "betrayal" and attacked Dubov with criticism.
An interesting situation, but it seems to me that the main reason is that they are only dissatisfied with the result of the Magnus-Nepo match and this is just a way to pour out their emotions.

Sergey Karjakin tweeted a jab against Dubov for supporting Carlsen but he forgot about the fact that he used to train in the UK and later on pledged his loyalty to Putin. Again, this is not an issue about patriotism as chess is an international sport with two people fighting for the world title. It should not be political (although the history depicts it as such) and should only focus on talent of the players.

If that were the case also, then Kasparov should be under scandal when he trained Magnus when he was young, also Karpov. I really do think that the Russians are going too overboard on this issue especially that they tackled on the topic about 'patriotism' when such is not the case.

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Quote from: aoluain on December 13, 2021, 03:31:57 AM

That seems a bit bizzare, who wouldnt given the chance want to work with Carlsen
after all he is the number 1. This happens all the time in all sports, there is a mix of nationalities
in any team even national teams the manager might be from a different country and
ends up playing against his or hers native country.

Was this an issue before the tournament started?

I agree that the Russians are just venting their emotions.

Yea I also find this weird. I didn't know nationality is such a big thing in chess. It is mostly pictured as a competition between individuals, at least more so than other sports....

Was this "complaining of the loser" such an issue in the past? Seems to happen more frequently nowadays...

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