[CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi - page 9.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 23, 2022, 11:48:34 AM

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 20, 2022, 08:07:21 PM

Well, I also support this motion, because I have seen that many chess players in recent times are very young and have great potential, even when I was at the University there were many children who always came and played in the chess club, under which they had a great level for their age, that is why I also assume that age does not matter much here, the intellectual level, strategy and plan that they can establish is unique, and each person thinks differently, and anyone from a young age he sees clearly what he will be as an adult and more so in any sport.

I think over time, your game will also evolve. Look at Carlsen for example: when he was young, he was a much more attacking player (sometimes maybe too attacking) but now he is more an allround player. It all comes with experience.

this is amazing, since chess have a huge amount of games that are recorded somehow (even if just text notation) one can observe how a player style evolve and change over time
quite good material for studying and learning

Chess is actually a very popular sport and its popularity is often overlooked. Actually, if you open twitch right now, you can see 35000 viewers watching people play chess right now. And this is also a really good way to learn and study.

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Quote from: babygun on January 21, 2022, 01:27:33 PM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 20, 2022, 08:07:21 PM

Well, I also support this motion, because I have seen that many chess players in recent times are very young and have great potential, even when I was at the University there were many children who always came and played in the chess club, under which they had a great level for their age, that is why I also assume that age does not matter much here, the intellectual level, strategy and plan that they can establish is unique, and each person thinks differently, and anyone from a young age he sees clearly what he will be as an adult and more so in any sport.

I think over time, your game will also evolve. Look at Carlsen for example: when he was young, he was a much more attacking player (sometimes maybe too attacking) but now he is more an allround player. It all comes with experience.

this is amazing, since chess have a huge amount of games that are recorded somehow (even if just text notation) one can observe how a player style evolve and change over time
quite good material for studying and learning

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 20, 2022, 08:07:21 PM

Well, I also support this motion, because I have seen that many chess players in recent times are very young and have great potential, even when I was at the University there were many children who always came and played in the chess club, under which they had a great level for their age, that is why I also assume that age does not matter much here, the intellectual level, strategy and plan that they can establish is unique, and each person thinks differently, and anyone from a young age he sees clearly what he will be as an adult and more so in any sport.

I think over time, your game will also evolve. Look at Carlsen for example: when he was young, he was a much more attacking player (sometimes maybe too attacking) but now he is more an allround player. It all comes with experience.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on January 10, 2022, 12:36:33 PM

I follow many chess players (more precisely, I watch how they play on YouTube and Twitch) and I know for sure that most of them did not really prepare for this championship. Well, or we can say that they prepared for the championship every day - time control when playing on the Internet from a minute to a maximum of three.
I think the reason for Magnus's defeat lies in his age - the advantage of young chess players in small time control is growing and after a year Magnus is unlikely to have more chances.

I don't agree, his age has nothing to do with it. Yeah, there are a lot younger players having massive talent, but Carlsen can still beat this guys. He didn't play great in the blitz but that's how it can go sometimes. Everybody can have a bad day. I think chess is one of the only sports that an older player can still play on the top level and win championships.

Well, I also support this motion, because I have seen that many chess players in recent times are very young and have great potential, even when I was at the University there were many children who always came and played in the chess club, under which they had a great level for their age, that is why I also assume that age does not matter much here, the intellectual level, strategy and plan that they can establish is unique, and each person thinks differently, and anyone from a young age he sees clearly what he will be as an adult and more so in any sport.

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really cool, thanks for all the information @Boristhecat
we'll probably see more and more online chess tournaments if this trend keeps going, it's different than physical ones but you are right, players save so much with hotels, flights, etc...

are there tournaments that big on all game styles? including rapid ones like 5-15 minutes?
First time I hear about a prize so big for an online chess tournament

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 17, 2022, 06:31:22 AM

Quote from: Boristhecat on January 16, 2022, 03:19:25 AM

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that's awesome
thanks a lot for the information

you are right, we can find the players on the link you provided too and check their game history and strategies as well
this is the 1st place person:
https://lichess.org/@/TSMFTXH

and yes, russian would be hard to read here, maybe one day I'll learn it but not yet

This is Hikaru Nakamura. He played the lichess for the first time. As I understand it, he has a contract with chess.com and he only plays there, but for the sake of this tournament he changed his principles. And I think he did not regret it - one bitcoin is an excellent prize by the standards of chess. In addition, it was an online tournament and the players did not spend money on travel, hotels, etc.

Quote from: qwertyup23 on January 16, 2022, 01:44:35 PM

I do not know if this is the appropriate board to discuss but earlier was the Day 2 of Tata Steel Chess where several games were interesting.

Before the games, the match between Karjakin and Dubov was really interesting as there was an ongoing feud between them during the WCC 2021 when Magnus revealed that Dubov took part on his team preparation. Though the game ended on a draw, I definitely see the friction between the two (2) players.

The game between Magnus and Anish was also an intriguing one where Magnus was able to capitalize on Anish's inaccuracy. He won the game and basically forced an ending where the former would be able to win an endgame since Anish was down two pawns at the end.

Of course it will be ok to discuss all tournaments here. Chess is not very popular, so one topic is enough for them.
I also follow this tournament, but classical chess takes so much time that I don't watch all the live broadcasts, mostly I watch reports about the most interesting games.

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Time is a huge factor when taking decisions not only in chess but in almost any other activity, this means that a move that in a traditional game a player will not make because eventually his opponent will find the best line and eventually beat them can become a very strong move with the time limitations of a blitz tournament, so while in a regular game your overall ability to play is the most important factor, when it comers to blitz games your ability to trap your opponent and be quick on your feet is more important.

yes, that is really interesting
I have a much better rating on slow games than blitz ones

the strategies change a lot too
blitz games sometimes ends on who are faster to avoid the clock to end, so it's not a lot about technique 100% of the times, sometimes it's fast-clicking and reaction

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 11, 2022, 05:41:24 AM

interesting, I've been playing some blitz (5 min) and rapid games (10-15 min)
It's much harder to make good decisions on the really short time frames

I see it as a good way to prepare for long games but they probably play all ranges of time

the habits are usually underestimated
if you have a good routine of training you are always prepared for tournaments.

Time is a huge factor when taking decisions not only in chess but in almost any other activity, this means that a move that in a traditional game a player will not make because eventually his opponent will find the best line and eventually beat them can become a very strong move with the time limitations of a blitz tournament, so while in a regular game your overall ability to play is the most important factor, when it comers to blitz games your ability to trap your opponent and be quick on your feet is more important.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on January 16, 2022, 03:19:25 AM

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that's awesome
thanks a lot for the information

you are right, we can find the players on the link you provided too and check their game history and strategies as well
this is the 1st place person:
https://lichess.org/@/TSMFTXH

and yes, russian would be hard to read here, maybe one day I'll learn it but not yet

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I do not know if this is the appropriate board to discuss but earlier was the Day 2 of Tata Steel Chess where several games were interesting.

Before the games, the match between Karjakin and Dubov was really interesting as there was an ongoing feud between them during the WCC 2021 when Magnus revealed that Dubov took part on his team preparation. Though the game ended on a draw, I definitely see the friction between the two (2) players.

The game between Magnus and Anish was also an intriguing one where Magnus was able to capitalize on Anish's inaccuracy. He won the game and basically forced an ending where the former would be able to win an endgame since Anish was down two pawns at the end.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 14, 2022, 07:14:11 AM

Quote from: Boristhecat on January 12, 2022, 03:21:45 PM

The strongest bullet chess championship in history ended yesterday (the time limit is 1 minute per game and you can take a berserk). By the way, the prize fund was one bitcoin.
After the first day, Carlsen was 15 points behind the leader and was in third place, and for some reason the whole second game day he played a moronic opening (king F2 for white and king F7 for black) and eventually finished outside the top ten. It looks like he is in a crisis, but is trying to pretend that everything is fine.

who organized this championship? I'd like to read a bit more on that found only this one:
https://www.chess.com/article/view/2021-bullet-chess-championship

but it was last year

was the prize really distributed in BTC or you converted the dollar value of the prize?

curious here
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The tournament was organized on the lichess platform, here is the link:
https://lichess.org/tournament/qzRBGPLN

As I understood from the description, the sponsor was CakeDeFi and the prizes were distributed in cryptocurrency:

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Hello everyone and welcome to agadmator CakeDeFi Christmas Arena!
I don't stream often but I like to join in now and then.
Hope everyone has a great time, both watching and playing. May the fastest and most accurate player win. Flagging is of course encouraged.

1st PRIZE - 1 BTC
2nd PRIZE - 2500 DFI (about $10k)
3rd PRIZE - 500 DFI (about $2.5k)

(no sharing of prizes!)

Winners will be contacted after the tournament via Lichess for prize distribution.

IMPORTANT : To receive the prizes, winners must have verified accounts on cakedefi.com/ as they are sponsoring and distributing the prizes.

As usual, I will be streaming and showcasing your games.
Enjoy

Look at the list of participants, I think you can easily find streams of this tournament from many players (Nakamura, Nepo, Dubov, Penguin, Carlsen, Firuja, etc.) who took part, personally I watched it here: https://crestbook.com/node/10310 but there is Russian, so it is unlikely that it will be convenient for you.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on January 12, 2022, 03:21:45 PM

The strongest bullet chess championship in history ended yesterday (the time limit is 1 minute per game and you can take a berserk). By the way, the prize fund was one bitcoin.
After the first day, Carlsen was 15 points behind the leader and was in third place, and for some reason the whole second game day he played a moronic opening (king F2 for white and king F7 for black) and eventually finished outside the top ten. It looks like he is in a crisis, but is trying to pretend that everything is fine.

who organized this championship? I'd like to read a bit more on that found only this one:
https://www.chess.com/article/view/2021-bullet-chess-championship

but it was last year

was the prize really distributed in BTC or you converted the dollar value of the prize?

curious here
Wink

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Quote from: Boristhecat on January 10, 2022, 12:36:33 PM

I follow many chess players (more precisely, I watch how they play on YouTube and Twitch) and I know for sure that most of them did not really prepare for this championship. Well, or we can say that they prepared for the championship every day - time control when playing on the Internet from a minute to a maximum of three.
I think the reason for Magnus's defeat lies in his age - the advantage of young chess players in small time control is growing and after a year Magnus is unlikely to have more chances.

I don't agree, his age has nothing to do with it. Yeah, there are a lot younger players having massive talent, but Carlsen can still beat this guys. He didn't play great in the blitz but that's how it can go sometimes. Everybody can have a bad day. I think chess is one of the only sports that an older player can still play on the top level and win championships.

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The strongest bullet chess championship in history ended yesterday (the time limit is 1 minute per game and you can take a berserk). By the way, the prize fund was one bitcoin.
After the first day, Carlsen was 15 points behind the leader and was in third place, and for some reason the whole second game day he played a moronic opening (king F2 for white and king F7 for black) and eventually finished outside the top ten. It looks like he is in a crisis, but is trying to pretend that everything is fine.

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interesting, I've been playing some blitz (5 min) and rapid games (10-15 min)
It's much harder to make good decisions on the really short time frames

I see it as a good way to prepare for long games but they probably play all ranges of time

the habits are usually underestimated
if you have a good routine of training you are always prepared for tournaments.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on January 10, 2022, 12:07:54 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on January 09, 2022, 02:29:30 PM

By the way, did anyone watch the World Rapid and Blitz Championship which ended at the end of December?
First, Magnus, due to additional indicators, took third place in rapid, and then, after he was very indignant about this, he showed an even worse result in the blitz - 12th place. This once again shows that it is high time to change the formula for playing the chess crown, and in fair conditions the reigning champion will feel much less comfortable than now.

Unfortunately, that is where he stands right now but you also have to consider that Magnus was also preparing for the WCC 2021 while the other players are busy preparing for rapid and blitz championships. I do think that Magnus performs exceptionally well when his back is against the wall- like he is on the verge/edge of defeat. That is what sparks his interest and competitiveness that unleashes his inner instincts more compared to preparation.

I do think that he will be getting his revenge by next year given that there is something that he has to prove. Being at the top can definitely make someone lose their motivation and the fact that Magnus was not able to snatch rapid and blitz championships this year, he will definitely be hungry for next year.

I follow many chess players (more precisely, I watch how they play on YouTube and Twitch) and I know for sure that most of them did not really prepare for this championship. Well, or we can say that they prepared for the championship every day - time control when playing on the Internet from a minute to a maximum of three.
I think the reason for Magnus's defeat lies in his age - the advantage of young chess players in small time control is growing and after a year Magnus is unlikely to have more chances.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on January 09, 2022, 02:29:30 PM

By the way, did anyone watch the World Rapid and Blitz Championship which ended at the end of December?
First, Magnus, due to additional indicators, took third place in rapid, and then, after he was very indignant about this, he showed an even worse result in the blitz - 12th place. This once again shows that it is high time to change the formula for playing the chess crown, and in fair conditions the reigning champion will feel much less comfortable than now.

Unfortunately, that is where he stands right now but you also have to consider that Magnus was also preparing for the WCC 2021 while the other players are busy preparing for rapid and blitz championships. I do think that Magnus performs exceptionally well when his back is against the wall- like he is on the verge/edge of defeat. That is what sparks his interest and competitiveness that unleashes his inner instincts more compared to preparation.

I do think that he will be getting his revenge by next year given that there is something that he has to prove. Being at the top can definitely make someone lose their motivation and the fact that Magnus was not able to snatch rapid and blitz championships this year, he will definitely be hungry for next year.

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Quote from: STT on January 09, 2022, 03:03:34 PM

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Chess is a strange one as regards calling it a sport. Every other sport involves a
degree of physical activity but Chess requires mental strength and agility.

Its a sport, if people can call computer games sports with leagues and all kinds of parallels its definitely as much a sport. I get the point but the reason why it qualifies is the competitive element and the requirement to be 'fit' for the competition. So there is a degree of training and good fitness in mind at least, if you are a mess tired or just not right in some way it will mean you are no longer competitive and able to play. For these reasons I do think it is a sport.

so, trading is a sport?
it also has a competitive element and it's mental
imo it's not

my point is that computer games are not sports either, even though people call it eSports it's a term that makes no sense

let's take the definition of sports

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Sports
noun
An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
Such activities considered as a group.
A usually challenging activity undertaken for amusement.

physical + skill
not only mental, you need your body too...

anyways, being a bit picky here, not sure if this matters that much

but games are games, sports are sports

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Chess is a strange one as regards calling it a sport. Every other sport involves a
degree of physical activity but Chess requires mental strength and agility.

Its a sport, if people can call computer games sports with leagues and all kinds of parallels its definitely as much a sport. I get the point but the reason why it qualifies is the competitive element and the requirement to be 'fit' for the competition. So there is a degree of training and good fitness in mind at least, if you are a mess tired or just not right in some way it will mean you are no longer competitive and able to play. For these reasons I do think it is a sport.

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By the way, did anyone watch the World Rapid and Blitz Championship which ended at the end of December?
First, Magnus, due to additional indicators, took third place in rapid, and then, after he was very indignant about this, he showed an even worse result in the blitz - 12th place. This once again shows that it is high time to change the formula for playing the chess crown, and in fair conditions the reigning champion will feel much less comfortable than now.

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