[CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi - page 14.

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if anybody is interested on checking the PNG of the game found it on yotube in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFThQFRZJNs

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1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. h3
Na5 9. Nxe5 Nxb3 10. axb3 Bb7 11. d3 d5 12. exd5 Qxd5 13. Qf3 Bd6 14. Kf1 Rfb8
15. Qxd5 Nxd5 16. Bd2 c5 17. Nf3 Rd8 18. Nc3 Nb4 19. Rec1 Rac8 20. Ne2 Nc6 21.
Be3 Ne7 22. Bf4 Bxf3 23. gxf3 Bxf4 24. Nxf4 Rc6 25. Re1 Nf5 26. c3 Nh4 27. Re3
Kf8 28. Ng2 Nf5 29. Re5 g6 30. Ne1 Ng7 31. Re4 f5 32. Re3 Ne6 33. Ng2 b4 34. Ke2
Rb8 35. Kd2 bxc3+ 36. bxc3 Rxb3 37. Kc2 Rb7 38. h4 Kf7 39. Ree1 Kf6 40. Ne3 Rd7
41. Nc4 Re7 42. Ne5 Rd6 43. Nc4 Rc6 44. Ne5 Rd6 45. Nc4

what is the prize for the 2nd place? or is it a winner takes all?

by the way if anybody here is on lichess message me here and I can tell you my user there, I've been playing some correspondence games with friends now and then and it's a lot of fun
with 24-48 hours to make each move.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on November 26, 2021, 11:57:47 AM

So game 1 just ended and it is expected that it would end up with a draw. It was an interesting match though especially around in move 10-13 where Nepo was surprised with that rook to b8 move. He definitely fell into the preparation of magnus where they played the Spanish opening with black a pawn down. But the pawn structures of black were connected and strong.

Like what they always say in end games, it is the quality of pawns (vs quantity) that wins games. But Nepo managed to draw the game due to a three-fold repetition. I definitely can't wait for game 2 tomorrow!

It really was easy money (I wish I could find a crypto bookmaker who would accept a bet on this event), 1,43 - these are crazy draw odds in classical chess.
As for the rook move to b8, this is a normal move and this is only a consequence of Nepo's mistake (bishop f4), after the exchanges Magnus could win the game with an unobvious move a5, but he could not find it and the game ended in a draw.

Today's odds of the outcome of the second game are no less crazy:
3.60 - 1.43 - 10.0

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Ah its definitely a niche sport but I would say it would be the pinnacle of the Gaming world,
would I be correct in that theory even though it might not be the most popular?

The first game ended in a draw >
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/nov/26/magnus-carlsen-ian-nepomniachtchi-world-chess-championship-game-one-news-report

As with most sports the difference between #1 to say #5 is not massive, this championship
could be a close fought affair.

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Quote from: South Park on November 26, 2021, 06:09:37 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 19, 2021, 10:46:17 AM

Quote from: South Park on November 18, 2021, 04:09:12 PM

Can we even watch a full game of chess on TV? I mean I play chess and it can be an entertaining game but it is going to be difficult to fill hours of air time when most of the time nothing happens, the commentators would have to fill the time with endless variations about what each player could do in response to what is on the board and that would be incredibly boring

it would definitely be a bit boring to watch a full normal game on TV but maybe on internet in 2x or a "best moments" video
forgot that real life chess is not like "the queen's gambit" on netflix

really good series by the way...

Not only chess can be very entertaining, what goes outside of the board can be as interesting or even more interesting, probably chess has never been more popular around the world than when the match of the century took place between Spassky and Fisher on 1972, the match had all what you may want from it, it had brilliant play of course, but it had a lot of drama as it was one of the many indirect battles of the Cold War, so the US and the USSR were heavily interested on their players victory and this created a world interest that we have not seen since then.

Many people are not interested in this sports because of its slow pace.
However, you are right, if we have the same scenario like the Cold War before, a lot of people will get their interest to this sports.
In this digital age, hard to get the attention of millennials now. Their attention is getting short.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 19, 2021, 10:46:17 AM

Quote from: South Park on November 18, 2021, 04:09:12 PM

Can we even watch a full game of chess on TV? I mean I play chess and it can be an entertaining game but it is going to be difficult to fill hours of air time when most of the time nothing happens, the commentators would have to fill the time with endless variations about what each player could do in response to what is on the board and that would be incredibly boring

it would definitely be a bit boring to watch a full normal game on TV but maybe on internet in 2x or a "best moments" video
forgot that real life chess is not like "the queen's gambit" on netflix

really good series by the way...

Not only chess can be very entertaining, what goes outside of the board can be as interesting or even more interesting, probably chess has never been more popular around the world than when the match of the century took place between Spassky and Fisher on 1972, the match had all what you may want from it, it had brilliant play of course, but it had a lot of drama as it was one of the many indirect battles of the Cold War, so the US and the USSR were heavily interested on their players victory and this created a world interest that we have not seen since then.

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So game 1 just ended and it is expected that it would end up with a draw. It was an interesting match though especially around in move 10-13 where Nepo was surprised with that rook to b8 move. He definitely fell into the preparation of magnus where they played the Spanish opening with black a pawn down. But the pawn structures of black were connected and strong.

Like what they always say in end games, it is the quality of pawns (vs quantity) that wins games. But Nepo managed to draw the game due to a three-fold repetition. I definitely can't wait for game 2 tomorrow!

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Quote from: poldanmig on November 18, 2021, 01:36:03 PM

Honestly, I don't know what I can say in this thread, even though I can play chess, but I personally don't even follow the existing chess matches, because for me personally, playing chess is more fun than watching other people play, but I'm interested to see the match for the world chess champion between Nepomniachtchi and Carlsen, and I hope someone will share a streaming link to be able to watch the match because in my place there is not a single local television broadcasting chess matches so far.

I've been looking for resources to watch their match as well. I used to play chess before and I find it so fun and entertaining but it would be more exciting to watch chess champions in a single match. I would put my hope in Carlsen on this match but I guess it would really be tough for both of them.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on November 24, 2021, 04:25:47 PM

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1.43 for a draw !? How is this possible?
Let me remind you that in the previous world championship match all 12 classic games ended in a draw. Is this really easy money?

sometimes, it is
remember when Trump had clearly no more chances of winning the elections but people could still bet on it using FTX or some other websites?
that was just free alpha, capitalizing on the inefficiencies of the market.

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Today the draw took place and now it is known who will play in which game with which color.
Therefore, bookmakers' quotes for separate games began to appear.
Game one: Nepomniachtchi plays with white pieces.
Bookmaker quotes:

3,8 - 1,43 - 7,3

1.43 for a draw !? How is this possible?
Let me remind you that in the previous world championship match all 12 classic games ended in a draw. Is this really easy money?

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The press conference from today, the opening day is up on youtube now, link >
https://youtu.be/gkO3Ms9djf4

It seems to me that the mind games have started already before the first game
in 2 days time, both players are asked about comments they previously made
about their opponent, they are not positive comments it seems like boxers
facing off each other pre-match but with words.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 23, 2021, 03:16:48 PM

will search for that
thanks for the references

never thought i'd talk chess on bitcointalk

I understand how bullet games can be useful for improving but I feel like they're almost a different game when compared to slow ones
useful to see the difference between fast thinking and slow thinking

You can also watch carlsen playing chess being blind folded and against more than one player and does have a time limit. I'm sure you and the others know it how a player run out of timr lose the match. I am more amazed when carlsen beat all the players. Even they are not GM but still carlsen have to play against three players at the same time with blind fold on.

next level
yes, I know about the clock/time rules

the level of knowledge they have of the board and skill needed to have the full board with moving pieces on their heads is really amazing

I've heard about people playing in their heads without physical boards before, but never playing multiples like that

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 23, 2021, 03:16:48 PM

will search for that
thanks for the references

never thought i'd talk chess on bitcointalk

I understand how bullet games can be useful for improving but I feel like they're almost a different game when compared to slow ones
useful to see the difference between fast thinking and slow thinking

You can also watch carlsen playing chess being blind folded and against more than one player and does have a time limit. I'm sure you and the others know it how a player run out of timr lose the match. I am more amazed when carlsen beat all the players. Even they are not GM but still carlsen have to play against three players at the same time with blind fold on.

Nepo is way more stronger then Magnus no doubt .In tactically & imbalance position Magnus sucks but in positions where nothing much happening he can outplay you with his masterful technique . Nepo gonna give hard time to Magnus with sharp play throughout matches.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 23, 2021, 03:16:48 PM

will search for that
thanks for the references

never thought i'd talk chess on bitcointalk

I understand how bullet games can be useful for improving but I feel like they're almost a different game when compared to slow ones
useful to see the difference between fast thinking and slow thinking

You can also watch carlsen playing chess being blind folded and against more than one player and does have a time limit. I'm sure you and the others know it how a player run out of timr lose the match. I am more amazed when carlsen beat all the players. Even they are not GM but still carlsen have to play against three players at the same time with blind fold on.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on November 21, 2021, 05:47:23 PM

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Quote from: nakamura12 on November 19, 2021, 11:55:37 AM

I am not a pro chess player but I do know how to play a little and I want to see how they play and calculate every move. I guess many people will bet once the match begin and I think most will bet on carlsen. If I have time to bet then I would bet on carlsen too. Given the odds, it's kind of small compare to the challenger.

these calculations and surprise plays are the most amazing things
I'm always impressed how pro players can calculate all the possibilities and even more than 5 stages ahead, when I play my max is 2 or 3 movements but more than that starts to make entanglements on my brain

These GMs have a different calculation speed on their own- like it is really out of this world on how they can calculate 5-6 moves ahead than any of normal players, even 2000+ rated ones also.

The difference between a 2600 rated GM against a 2700 GM is staggering. This has been continuously witnessed on Agadmator's channel on FB where the top 20 chess players went again 2600 GMs and the latter got completely destroyed.

Magnus Carlsen, on the other hand, has a different feel in chess- like it is his natural instincts to play those moves. I really suggest that you watch him play bullet chess in lichess (tons of videos on YouTube) where you can see their calculation speed and pattern recognition.

will search for that
thanks for the references

never thought i'd talk chess on bitcointalk

I understand how bullet games can be useful for improving but I feel like they're almost a different game when compared to slow ones
useful to see the difference between fast thinking and slow thinking

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Quote from: Boristhecat on November 23, 2021, 06:37:59 AM

Quote from: aoluain on November 22, 2021, 06:08:00 AM

Interestingly the winners prize payout is only $110,000, i thought it would be more than that.

Where did you see this information? In fact, the prize money is much higher:

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The prize fund is US$ 2 million split 60% vs 40% between winner and loser. If the match is tied after 14 classical games, the prize fund will be split 55% vs 45% in favor of the tiebreak winner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_2021

So, about 24 hours before the start of the first game. I studied many bookmakers (including fiat ones) and was surprised that none of them (even the largest ones) offer bets on the outcome of the first game. It is possible to place bets only on secondary indicators such as the number of moves, whether a check will be announced, etc. Does the outcome of separate games look so unpredictable to the bookmakers that they don't offer any odds?

You are correct, I checked it on > https://www.chess.com/article/view/world-chess-championship-2021

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Prize Fund

The prize fund will be $2 million euros. The winner will earn 60 percent of the prize fund,
and 40 percent will go to the runner-up. If the match ends in a tie after 14 games and a tiebreak
will decide matters, the winner receives 55 percent and the runner-up 45 percent.

Before the start of the match, each player receives two hundred thousand euros as an
upfront payment of his eventual prize money. If the match is played in the country of one
of the players, then the foreign player receives one hundred thousand euros of the
prize fund and the remaining prize money is shared as stated above.

That would make more sense the current prize fund, I think I was looking at Wikipedia 2019.

It sounds like the bookies possibly cannot cover all the possible bets. Would it be
bizzare for someone to walk in to a betting shop and place a bet on the World Chess Championship?

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Quote from: aoluain on November 22, 2021, 06:08:00 AM

Interestingly the winners prize payout is only $110,000, i thought it would be more than that.

Where did you see this information? In fact, the prize money is much higher:

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The prize fund is US$ 2 million split 60% vs 40% between winner and loser. If the match is tied after 14 classical games, the prize fund will be split 55% vs 45% in favor of the tiebreak winner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_2021

So, about 24 hours before the start of the first game. I studied many bookmakers (including fiat ones) and was surprised that none of them (even the largest ones) offer bets on the outcome of the first game. It is possible to place bets only on secondary indicators such as the number of moves, whether a check will be announced, etc. Does the outcome of separate games look so unpredictable to the bookmakers that they don't offer any odds?

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Quote from: molsewid on November 22, 2021, 09:44:18 AM

Quote from: alegotardo on November 21, 2021, 07:02:31 PM

It's also the first time I've seen it, and I love watching these tournaments.
At school I was always the boy who preferred to be in a corner playing a game of chess than playing or doing some physical exercise. It's a game that captivates me a lot and professional players like Magnus Carlsen have always been my encouragement.

Obviously my bet will be on Carlsen.

I'm maybe sole person here in this thread who were not that passionate about this game, I mean I didn't even try to play this game, I don't know the basic rule about this game and yeah this is also the first time I have read a thread that was created intended for Chess Game solely, and even I am not that fan of Chess it's nice seeing this kind of thread here in forum. I know this type of game is for intelligent and critical thinker that's why I think I'm not belong to this game, kidding aside. However, upon researching about the player involve I do also think that Carlsen has the advantage over Nepomniachtchi.

It is not that chess is for 'intelligent' and 'critical thinkers' as anyone can play the game as long as you know the moves of each pieces! The advantage of playing chess stems from your cognitive abilities and concentration as it really is mentally tiring to calculate 4-5 moves ahead from your next move. While most sports are physical in nature, chess is the game of mental strength and fortitude as chess players play more than 7 hours per game depending on the time format (e.g. classical, rapid, bullet, etc.).

I have been playing chess ever since I was still in grade school but I still consider myself as someone who is still a newbie at the game due to its complexity and techniques involved. The fact that chess has been getting its recognition slowly over the years is definitely a step forward on its community.

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Quote from: alegotardo on November 21, 2021, 07:02:31 PM

It's also the first time I've seen it, and I love watching these tournaments.
At school I was always the boy who preferred to be in a corner playing a game of chess than playing or doing some physical exercise. It's a game that captivates me a lot and professional players like Magnus Carlsen have always been my encouragement.

Obviously my bet will be on Carlsen.

I'm maybe sole person here in this thread who were not that passionate about this game, I mean I didn't even try to play this game, I don't know the basic rule about this game and yeah this is also the first time I have read a thread that was created intended for Chess Game solely, and even I am not that fan of Chess it's nice seeing this kind of thread here in forum. I know this type of game is for intelligent and critical thinker that's why I think I'm not belong to this game, kidding aside. However, upon researching about the player involve I do also think that Carlsen has the advantage over Nepomniachtchi.

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I have seen a few Chess tournaments, the level of skill these players are at is mind blowing.
I can play Chess but at a "hobby" level and certainly not regularly enough to improve my skills.
To be able to think many moves ahead is one thing but to be able to calculate potential moves
your opponent has and be ready to counter them is another. Serious skills needed.

Interestingly the winners prize payout is only $110,000, i thought it would be more than that.

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on November 18, 2021, 01:01:30 PM

It's the first time I've seen a chess post in the gambling section, or perhaps I've missed one.

It's also the first time I've seen it, and I love watching these tournaments.
At school I was always the boy who preferred to be in a corner playing a game of chess than playing or doing some physical exercise. It's a game that captivates me a lot and professional players like Magnus Carlsen have always been my encouragement.

Obviously my bet will be on Carlsen.

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