Topic: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi - page 5. (Read 2170 times)

Correct but then again everyone nation has their own interests and their definition of peace.
When its about peace in muslim country the whole is quiet and asleep but when it is white skin everyone would want to condemn the attackers -- Has there been any discussion done about Kashmir, Afghanistan, Syeria, Palestine?

It's not clear exactly what you're suggesting. "By default" everyone is in favor of peace - even those who started the war, it's just that everyone sees the peace differently. I think after Russia sets foot on the path of peace, recognizes its crimes and starts paying compensation for them, no one will be against the fact that Russian athletes return to all competitions.

I think the more focus should be on peace. The world is surfing a lot. Earlier due to Corona and not these wars and sanctions. Which are affecting each and every domain. By neutral stance means they should not be aggressive and listen to other and help to reduce tension. Sooner or later this war will end, But of course soon the better.

Well you're right, although there is something I don't understand, what neutral point are you talking about? I do not understand very well in what area you are saying it, you mean that a neutral point is that Russian athletes must renounce their nationality to ensure their career, represent another country, because I think that in Belarus they will also have their ban, or if it is that he already has it, on the other hand, if they don't do anything about it, all the Russian athletes who are very good, not only in chess but in any sport, should give him a golden opportunity so that they don't lose all the effort of a lifetime training a sport.

until humans (specially the ones with power) don't realize that we are all dependent on each other we'll remain progressing much slower than we could...
but well, maybe enough of war?

would love to get back to chess on this thread.

including discussing chess strategies and tactics, that would be interesting too

having discussed all this - and so many bans on Russia already. Do you think world can cut off from Russia?
That is not possible -the are one of the biggest oil producer in the world and banning Russia is banning the oil. this is not going to work? Has EU banned buying oil from Russia as well?

cancellation culture at its finest.


interesting take! this brings us on a "sovereign individual" situation where people have incentives to be a citizen on some countries or even to stop being a citizen of other countries
quite interesting to think about it


was is always the worst possible outcome.

Your point is valid - but the powerful will keep surpassing the weak and this is going everywhere.
I would suggest - Russia to take a neutral stance on it and discuss things with dialogue rather then deadlock. But war not a solution.

Russian players were banned from Wimbledon fairly recently though F1 racing has not specifically done so just the teams.  Now I check it makes no difference as Russian racing license is refused as valid in some countries hosting races so its hard to compete globally.
   I think the general take is the players should revoke that flag and qualify under a neutral flag or country if need be.  That presumes they are able to do so but its hard to disagree with the actions taken when people are dying needlessly, some people are so ignorant of death and suffering of others they may only notice when their favorite sport is disrupted slightly.

I am amazed to see so many sections on Russia - but someone who request US/ Israel to put an end to the war on Muslims as well, who have been suffering for long. I have grown up seeing Afghan/ US war for last 20 years. The world has dual standards for war. If its white skin they should be protected - whatsoever.

It is not true. The chess federation doesn't want to play with them. And these supporters of the war themselves can play with anyone and even establish their own chess federation. You confuse situations when someone's rights are violated with the actual case when the Chess Federation tries to defend its right. I do not want to play chess with someone - this is my right, and I do not violate the rights of this someone in any way. This is the principle at work here.

This isn't just for chess but also for other sports. Russians have been now banned in many sporting events due to the war that has been ongoing even up to this point.
It's part of the sanction that they're getting but it's true that those that are not really involved should be allowed to play not because they're on this race or that because they also have their disagreement to what currently is happening.

well, the chess federation forbids them
my point is exactly the idea that in a game like chess someone's values doesn't matter that much
their skills matter.

But does anyone forbid them to play chess? The bottom line is that the disagreements with these people (who support the war) have reached such proportions that those who do not support the war simply do not want to play with them. Isn't this a basic human right - freedom of association? There is a community of people who love chess and don't like war. They don't want to play chess with those who support the war. Nobody forbids war lovers to play chess - they can do it with anyone (who agrees to it).

Well, the Russians have many very good players, in fact Kasparov is one of the best in the world, for me he has always been a benchmark, and it is not for nothing, but seeing the IQ of most Russians is very high, so that It is reflected in the majority of Chess players, for now I think that due to the problems that Russia has, the Chess Federation must also be affected.

Normally, any person from anywhere in the world, whether or not they are in Russia, they can be good in the same way, I think that everything goes into the training that I give them, it is a matter of dedication.

I just don't like cancelation culture and think people end up mixing up things that doesn't make sense at all.

If people commit crimes they should be punished/go to jail/whatever, this is common ground.

Being a pedophile is disgusting and a crime (when they act,
pedophilia, rape and any kind of sexual violence are crimes and horrible things but we can't put people in jail for crimes of thought like only thinking of something, as disgusting as their thoughts can be)

that said, I think people in prison for commiting crimes can still be brilliant on their skills like chess, for example.
so all I said is that imo makes no sense to forbid a player who supports war (or supports something else that I'm against) to play chess, since their opinions on wars, politics or religion won't affect their skill.

of course it's easier to frame people who disagree with us as horrible people, but I think there's nuance, there's a gradient of things to consider on people's personalities
to make the discourse more extreme: remove nuance.

It'll probably get worse from here in terms of public opinion, mass media manipulation and xenophobia...

here's a tl;dr:
War is horrible and stupid
there's people who support it
I don't support them
but I think horrible and stupid people should be allowed to play chess (and get good at it)
hopefully learning and playing chess will even help to make them less horrible and stupid

Okay, let's take out the pedophiles and replace them with war criminals and those who support them. Will you play with a neighbor who is a good chess player if he is a war criminal? Or with the same neighbor who is not a war criminal but who openly supports war crimes (or denies their actual existence when it is clear to everyone that they are taking place)?

Russian have done an extra ordinary performance in every field. But I am not sure any sanction has resulted in putting Russia in the condition to stop war.
Everyday we see more missile attacks on the Ukraine.
Also I tied playing chess today in an online mobile app- I realized I forgot some of the rules.

Russia is known for having a lot of strong chess players. These players play many tournaments abroad and possibly also competition in these countries to fund their income that way. I wonder how that goes, would tournament organizations still ask Russian players to play? the advantage of chess is that you can also organize games online, so you don't have to be physically present. If the world champion had come from Russia, the World Chess Federation would have had a dilemma.

Oh! Affects of war every where. Russian in trouble.
I just searched bout him- he is young and is a smart player. What will be his future now if the ban stays? I think the war has damaged Russia equally they have damaged Ukraine.