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Thanks everyone for a great discussion. I'm closing the topic as it is outdated and I suggest continuing the conversation in a new one: [CHESS] FIDE Candidates Chess Tournament 2022.
Now you have the opportunity to vote! Write your prediction for the upcoming Candidates Tournament, the winner of which will (or maybe not) fight Carlsen for victory.
legendary
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There's no need to be upset
yes, checkmates with bishop and knight are challenging
any resources on learning it?

stalemate is another funny situation where sometimes a person has a game on their hands but fails to win because of it.

Try to look here: https://www.chess.com/terms/bishop-knight-checkmate
But the best thing to do is practice. Probably in any chess simulator you can set the position you are interested in and try to make this checkmate against the computer. Do not forget that you must meet the 50-move rule, otherwise a draw will be fixed.

thanks for the information!

interesting, didn't know this of the 50-move rule

chess.com and lichess also have this kind of simulators where you can put the pieces you want on the table?
never looked into it

A checkmate with bishop and knight will probably only happen in classic chess as you need to think carefully how to position them; in blitz or rapid chess it will rarely happen I guess.
Lol stalemate can be funny sometimes but also frustating. I still remember one game I played years ago that I always should have won (2 towers vs 0) and still somehow my opponent managed to get a draw by stalemate...

For professional chess players, this checkmate is a common technical action. And if they are not in tight time trouble, they will easily realize the advantage. And as far as I know, in most tournaments, in order to avoid a "dirty" blitz, at least a couple of seconds of addition is given for each move. This allows you to play intelligently.

even online you can play like that
there's like 10+5 games where you have 10 minutes and get 5 seconds extra after each move
not my favorite way to play but you're right, it gives you more time to breath
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A checkmate with bishop and knight will probably only happen in classic chess as you need to think carefully how to position them; in blitz or rapid chess it will rarely happen I guess.
Lol stalemate can be funny sometimes but also frustating. I still remember one game I played years ago that I always should have won (2 towers vs 0) and still somehow my opponent managed to get a draw by stalemate...

For professional chess players, this checkmate is a common technical action. And if they are not in tight time trouble, they will easily realize the advantage. And as far as I know, in most tournaments, in order to avoid a "dirty" blitz, at least a couple of seconds of addition is given for each move. This allows you to play intelligently.
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yes, checkmates with bishop and knight are challenging
any resources on learning it?

stalemate is another funny situation where sometimes a person has a game on their hands but fails to win because of it.

A checkmate with bishop and knight will probably only happen in classic chess as you need to think carefully how to position them; in blitz or rapid chess it will rarely happen I guess.
Lol stalemate can be funny sometimes but also frustating. I still remember one game I played years ago that I always should have won (2 towers vs 0) and still somehow my opponent managed to get a draw by stalemate...
legendary
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yes, checkmates with bishop and knight are challenging
any resources on learning it?

stalemate is another funny situation where sometimes a person has a game on their hands but fails to win because of it.

Try to look here: https://www.chess.com/terms/bishop-knight-checkmate
But the best thing to do is practice. Probably in any chess simulator you can set the position you are interested in and try to make this checkmate against the computer. Do not forget that you must meet the 50-move rule, otherwise a draw will be fixed.
legendary
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There's no need to be upset
yes, checkmates with bishop and knight are challenging
any resources on learning it?

stalemate is another funny situation where sometimes a person has a game on their hands but fails to win because of it.
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it's crazy
sometimes the player who has the advantage is not the one who wins because of silly mistakes or not knowing how to finalize the opponent with a clean board, I've played against people who couldn't finalize even with queen + rook against a lonely king, they ended up messing up and losing their rook

of course this probably doesn't happen on higher ranks.
While this does not happen at the higher levels, since checkmating with a queen or a rook is incredibly easy, there have been cases in which even a GM has failed to checkmate their opponent with bishop and knight vs king, some opponents are generous enough to resign and avoid getting checkmated, but there have been cases in which the opponent refuses to give up and basically dares their opponent to checkmating them on 50 plays or less, and since they have not practiced the proper technique for a long time they fail to do so and draw a game which should have been won by them.
Even GM's like Hikaru have had a hard time mating with a bishop and a knight. Happened recently on his twitch channel. Especially when in time trouble, it could get very dicey and if the opponent is tricky. He/She could easily earn a draw or stalemate from it. I recently learnt how to do it, since I myself struggle to checkmate with a bishop and a knight.
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it's crazy
sometimes the player who has the advantage is not the one who wins because of silly mistakes or not knowing how to finalize the opponent with a clean board, I've played against people who couldn't finalize even with queen + rook against a lonely king, they ended up messing up and losing their rook

of course this probably doesn't happen on higher ranks.
While this does not happen at the higher levels, since checkmating with a queen or a rook is incredibly easy, there have been cases in which even a GM has failed to checkmate their opponent with bishop and knight vs king, some opponents are generous enough to resign and avoid getting checkmated, but there have been cases in which the opponent refuses to give up and basically dares their opponent to checkmating them on 50 plays or less, and since they have not practiced the proper technique for a long time they fail to do so and draw a game which should have been won by them.
legendary
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lately I feel that being able to master the finals is even more important then the openings, you can get along well with the same opening and the same defense until advanced levels, probably
but knowing how to go to the midgame and checkmate when the  board is almost empty is art!

The truth is that I'm very bad at finals, I'm good at openings and keeping the game in dominance, but when I see that they start to beat me a lot, I don't know, I don't have that ability to recover like the others have, I don't know. if it is that I get tired of thinking or simply how my plans are knocked down, I can't think of another way to get out of trouble, that is why when I play I try to dominate the whole game so that the end doesn't have to think much, there are others who they are experts, who even losing and entering the final stage are capable of turning the game around, I say this because it has happened to me and it really makes me very angry, although I end up accepting that this is part of the game, my anger is with myself.


it's crazy
sometimes the player who has the advantage is not the one who wins because of silly mistakes or not knowing how to finalize the opponent with a clean board, I've played against people who couldn't finalize even with queen + rook against a lonely king, they ended up messing up and losing their rook

of course this probably doesn't happen on higher ranks.
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lately I feel that being able to master the finals is even more important then the openings, you can get along well with the same opening and the same defense until advanced levels, probably
but knowing how to go to the midgame and checkmate when the  board is almost empty is art!

The truth is that I'm very bad at finals, I'm good at openings and keeping the game in dominance, but when I see that they start to beat me a lot, I don't know, I don't have that ability to recover like the others have, I don't know. if it is that I get tired of thinking or simply how my plans are knocked down, I can't think of another way to get out of trouble, that is why when I play I try to dominate the whole game so that the end doesn't have to think much, there are others who they are experts, who even losing and entering the final stage are capable of turning the game around, I say this because it has happened to me and it really makes me very angry, although I end up accepting that this is part of the game, my anger is with myself.
legendary
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There's no need to be upset
lately I feel that being able to master the finals is even more important then the openings, you can get along well with the same opening and the same defense until advanced levels, probably
but knowing how to go to the midgame and checkmate when the  board is almost empty is art!
This is true, while openings are important even if you make a mistake you have the whole game to recover from it, so unless it is a terrible mistake you can still make a comeback, but when it comes to endings even the smallest inaccuracy in your play can be more than enough to produce a loss, also since the game is already on its latest stage any mistake is basically irreparable, and if to this we add that even if you have an advantage there are some endings in which if you did not took the time to study them you cannot pull off the win, like the ending of king, bishop and knight vs king, then this demonstrates the importance of studying end game theory.

yes, much easier to end if you have pawns/towers/queen
I want to dive into this and study it more.
endings and tactics for the middle game

it's impressive how many things there are to learn
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I am terrible at Fantasy Football!!!
lately I feel that being able to master the finals is even more important then the openings, you can get along well with the same opening and the same defense until advanced levels, probably
but knowing how to go to the midgame and checkmate when the  board is almost empty is art!
This is true, while openings are important even if you make a mistake you have the whole game to recover from it, so unless it is a terrible mistake you can still make a comeback, but when it comes to endings even the smallest inaccuracy in your play can be more than enough to produce a loss, also since the game is already on its latest stage any mistake is basically irreparable, and if to this we add that even if you have an advantage there are some endings in which if you did not took the time to study them you cannot pull off the win, like the ending of king, bishop and knight vs king, then this demonstrates the importance of studying end game theory.
legendary
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There's no need to be upset

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The other part of Queen gambit is how a poor girl strives and got her first chess board. Her first chess books - her new clothes and shoes.
There is struggle in the everything. Only the focused one wins.

totally agree, she comes from a really hard situation and still can create a good life for her, it's an amazing series
all this conversation about it makes me want to watch it again, maybe one day in the future




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The fact of seeing 4 or 5 moves is already enough, since I was 5 years old I played a lot of chess, then I stopped and when I was that age I had the ability to see many moves but I got very tired, so what I developed the most was concentration, obviously from then on for me math and everything that had to do with the study was too simple for me, in fact it still is, but what I admire most is that everyone reads the books, the openings and is aware of the updates, that's what makes them better chess players.


lately I feel that being able to master the finals is even more important then the openings, you can get along well with the same opening and the same defense until advanced levels, probably
but knowing how to go to the midgame and checkmate when the  board is almost empty is art!
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well, there are two things to comment about that

miss Herman didn't play online, she played and studied it in person, I think it makes a really big difference for the brain.
second one is that the lady had severe drug dependence, which is not my case

I think it's good to have some balance between mental activities and physical activities

but you're right, I don't want to be a grand master and probably won't compete in tournaments Wink just like to play for fun and to improve myself
The other part of Queen gambit is how a poor girl strives and got her first chess board. Her first chess books - her new clothes and shoes.
There is struggle in the everything. Only the focused one wins.
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This seems very good to me, but I think they do it as a protection measure for children and do not access pages that are potentially very dangerous for them, but it is good that children, parents encourage them to platforms or apps that are quite good As in the case of Duolingo, which teaches languages, or maybe you see a page that can teach them chess moves or that they play chess, I know that now everything in children's culture is digital because even the very tasks that they are sent in schools have to do with it, therefore children are now very expert looking for anything on the internet, so if these sites are encouraged with the respective guidance and supervision, everything can go well.


I don't think it's only that.
Phones can be an amazing tool, of course, like when you mention duolingo
but they can be addicting and destructive too

there are some interesting articles and news on that, check it here:
Silicon Valley parents banning tech for their kids



amazing! I'm still playing a lot, almost everyday, but want to get back to study more, I should improve my midgame and endgame
starting to get openings better lately
I'm practicing most of the times with the same opening and same defense, as advised by a friend who's really into chess (ranked about 2000 on lichess)

Yes Well, I'm very happy that you're improving your game, the truth is that this sport is very good, besides, it requires a lot of time to improve, I see it as analogous to swimming because if you want to lose time you have to train for many hours and chess you have to train a lot to improve, unless you are a genius and you understand everything quickly and see moves in a short time, which, that skill is taken based on more training, I do not know if you have seen a series called "Queen's Gambit"? It is an excellent series, it would be very good if you saw it so you get more motivated, they show it on netflix, I really recommend it.


Hmm....thanks for that info and the recommendation @LUCKMCFLY I'll check it out on Netflix.

@Lucasgabd @LUCKMCFLY
Just like in the most varied sports, for you to improve and gain skills and experience, you need to practice, practice and practice again!! I believe this is the best way for a player to improve in this sport.

another vote for the seris "Queen's Gambit" here, it's a great series, and also my favorite opening when playing whites.

I agree that practice helps to improve, but studying and learning more strategies and techniques too!

I am glad that you liked the series, the truth is that she shows a special talent there, but the series also shows us that those who study the most also have the possibility of being very successful, I also like how they show the Russians, really always I have known that the Russians are very good at chess as well as programming, so what I did not know is that a large part of their success is that they work as a team and that is why they are so good, before I used to think that they were very lonely and that they were very individualistic, but in the series they show that the Americans at that time were the most individual.

The fact of seeing 4 or 5 moves is already enough, since I was 5 years old I played a lot of chess, then I stopped and when I was that age I had the ability to see many moves but I got very tired, so what I developed the most was concentration, obviously from then on for me math and everything that had to do with the study was too simple for me, in fact it still is, but what I admire most is that everyone reads the books, the openings and is aware of the updates, that's what makes them better chess players.
legendary
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There's no need to be upset

will probably take more breaks from now on and try to limit my chess time to no more than 3 games a day (1 blits and 2 rapid or 2 blitz and 1 rapid)

chess is cool but I'm not aiming to be a grand master or something
Well then - you might not be as much interested in chess as Hurmon of Queen Gambit.
Chess really opens up mind and makes your mind and nerves strong. If you are good in chess - just take it to the next lever. Its real fun

well, there are two things to comment about that

miss Herman didn't play online, she played and studied it in person, I think it makes a really big difference for the brain.
second one is that the lady had severe drug dependence, which is not my case

I think it's good to have some balance between mental activities and physical activities

but you're right, I don't want to be a grand master and probably won't compete in tournaments Wink just like to play for fun and to improve myself
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will probably take more breaks from now on and try to limit my chess time to no more than 3 games a day (1 blits and 2 rapid or 2 blitz and 1 rapid)

chess is cool but I'm not aiming to be a grand master or something
Well then - you might not be as much interested in chess as Hurmon of Queen Gambit.
Chess really opens up mind and makes your mind and nerves strong. If you are good in chess - just take it to the next lever. Its real fun
legendary
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There's no need to be upset

The timing for this world championship was lucky for Ian despite the loss, I dont think they'd allow it to proceed with the current sanctions etc.
Just curious to know - is the chess very popular in Russia - even today?
I was watching a TV series and it showed there was a time people were crazy for chess in Russia. Is it still true? are People into chess in Russia or not?


I think it's still quite big but we would need someone from Russia to confirm.


if my memory is correct the series is based on an homonymous novel, but not a true story, a fictional one
still amazing Smiley

I should watch it again one day now that I know a bit more about chess
I used to play chess - by the moves which they mentioned in the queen gambit series - I didn't not know that.
But the heroine showed a strong character in the series but I am unable to understand the end. Why she missed he flight after winning in Russia. Is there a new series coming up?

not sure if there's a sequence coming... I think there's no big deal on missing the flight for a new chess game haha just her style, she could get another plane of reschedule later

damn, we just gave a huge spoiler



about the end of your message, you refer to users who lose on purpose only to be able to beat lower rank users?
a bit lame if you ask my opinion but... who knows
dopamine kicks are quite strong with online chess, specially for fast games.

Happens in just about every competitive game I've come across.   Serious accounts to aim for high rank and then secondary accounts to 'warm up' where its often experienced players beating those new to the game or still learning etc.
  I cant do the fast games, some people are ace at bullet chess just not something I've ever been good at.  Thats very popular for streaming I think.   I just given a diamond account on Chess.com to try out, presumably because I dont play alot they trying to get me back into it :p

The timing for this world championship was lucky for Ian despite the loss, I dont think they'd allow it to proceed with the current sanctions etc.

yes, when I started I didn't like 5 minutes games, they were too fast for me, now 10 minute ones seems slow
but I suppose it varies from person to person

I've been observing how too much online chess affects my mood and behavior, crazy stuff
I took a day off from playing 2 days ago, and yesterday only one hard victory was enough to flood my brain with dopamine and make me so happy, though if I loose a lot I become grumpy hahahah
will probably take more breaks from now on and try to limit my chess time to no more than 3 games a day (1 blits and 2 rapid or 2 blitz and 1 rapid)

chess is cool but I'm not aiming to be a grand master or something
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The timing for this world championship was lucky for Ian despite the loss, I dont think they'd allow it to proceed with the current sanctions etc.
Just curious to know - is the chess very popular in Russia - even today?
I was watching a TV series and it showed there was a time people were crazy for chess in Russia. Is it still true? are People into chess in Russia or not?
STT
legendary
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about the end of your message, you refer to users who lose on purpose only to be able to beat lower rank users?
a bit lame if you ask my opinion but... who knows
dopamine kicks are quite strong with online chess, specially for fast games.

Happens in just about every competitive game I've come across.   Serious accounts to aim for high rank and then secondary accounts to 'warm up' where its often experienced players beating those new to the game or still learning etc.
  I cant do the fast games, some people are ace at bullet chess just not something I've ever been good at.  Thats very popular for streaming I think.   I just given a diamond account on Chess.com to try out, presumably because I dont play alot they trying to get me back into it :p

The timing for this world championship was lucky for Ian despite the loss, I dont think they'd allow it to proceed with the current sanctions etc.
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