[CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi - page 6.

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just like what qwertyup23 has said "just like any other sports, there is an ethical standard a player must follow" the organization deemed his support of the war with Ukraine as unethical. I understand their views and agree with them. I would have disagreed with them if they banned Karjakin just for being Russian.

Personally I am not a fan of cancel culture but since it is a thing then people have to be careful about what they publish on social media, however the ban will only last for 6 months and Karjakin can even appeal so there is a chance the ban could become even shorter than what it is now, so he should use this time just to stay way from social media, train himself and do what he does best, which is to play chess.

same opinion here,
was just thinking about all the relations between chess and war, and the history of the game in the past... we can't even imagine how many battles were played...

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on April 08, 2022, 04:44:39 PM

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just like what qwertyup23 has said "just like any other sports, there is an ethical standard a player must follow" the organization deemed his support of the war with Ukraine as unethical. I understand their views and agree with them. I would have disagreed with them if they banned Karjakin just for being Russian.

Personally I am not a fan of cancel culture but since it is a thing then people have to be careful about what they publish on social media, however the ban will only last for 6 months and Karjakin can even appeal so there is a chance the ban could become even shorter than what it is now, so he should use this time just to stay way from social media, train himself and do what he does best, which is to play chess.

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Quote from: acroman08 on April 09, 2022, 03:25:16 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on April 08, 2022, 04:44:39 PM

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just like what qwertyup23 has said "just like any other sports, there is an ethical standard a player must follow" the organization deemed his support of the war with Ukraine as unethical. I understand their views and agree with them. I would have disagreed with them if they banned Karjakin just for being Russian.

Seems like an old thread. Saw chess but seem like we are discussing war here.
But the way - what are you guys discussing? Is there any chess matches going on at the moment or it is just a forum to discuss something?

lol

well, this is the only Chess thread left on the forum as far as I know
we just started talking a bit about the war because of the situation with Karjakin being banned

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Quote from: acroman08 on April 09, 2022, 03:25:16 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on April 08, 2022, 04:44:39 PM

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just like what qwertyup23 has said "just like any other sports, there is an ethical standard a player must follow" the organization deemed his support of the war with Ukraine as unethical. I understand their views and agree with them. I would have disagreed with them if they banned Karjakin just for being Russian.

Seems like an old thread. Saw chess but seem like we are discussing war here.
But the way - what are you guys discussing? Is there any chess matches going on at the moment or it is just a forum to discuss something?

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I would say that this particular case is not politics, but the normal behavior of people. What do you know about Karjakin as a racing driver or snooker player? I think nothing. Karjakin is a representative of the chess community. He has an opinion - no one takes away his opinion from him, but since he represents the entire chess community, this community does not want to be associated with him and therefore does not want to "play" with him while he makes statements that cast a shadow on the entire community.
I think if you have a good opponent in your neighborhood to play chess or whatever, but one day you find out that he is a pedophile, then most likely you will stop playing with him, right? Although it seems like his sexual deviations have nothing to do with chess and "these are different issues."

as much as I hate wars and think they're stupid and a waste/delay for human civilization, I don't think that we can compare individuals who support the war to pedophiles

former have an opinion about something
latter have a serious conduct deviation and are criminals/ill

but still, take my opinion about Karjakin with a grain of salt since I didn't follow the full situation and just checked the article quite fast...

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on April 08, 2022, 04:44:39 PM

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just like what qwertyup23 has said "just like any other sports, there is an ethical standard a player must follow" the organization deemed his support of the war with Ukraine as unethical. I understand their views and agree with them. I would have disagreed with them if they banned Karjakin just for being Russian.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on April 08, 2022, 04:44:39 PM

didn't even know about Karakajin's situation so went to google it

Russia’s Sergey Karjakin banned from chess for supporting invasion of Ukraine

idk, even though I disagree with him I don't like the cancellation culture, I don't think a GM should be banned from playing because he supports the war and the president of his country, his ideology won't affect the way he plays and has no relation to chess so what is the point?

everything turned into politics lately.
Us vs them taken to the extreme.

I would say that this particular case is not politics, but the normal behavior of people. What do you know about Karjakin as a racing driver or snooker player? I think nothing. Karjakin is a representative of the chess community. He has an opinion - no one takes away his opinion from him, but since he represents the entire chess community, this community does not want to be associated with him and therefore does not want to "play" with him while he makes statements that cast a shadow on the entire community.
I think if you have a good opponent in your neighborhood to play chess or whatever, but one day you find out that he is a pedophile, then most likely you will stop playing with him, right? Although it seems like his sexual deviations have nothing to do with chess and "these are different issues."

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on April 08, 2022, 04:44:39 PM

didn't even know about Karakajin's situation so went to google it

Russia’s Sergey Karjakin banned from chess for supporting invasion of Ukraine

idk, even though I disagree with him I don't like the cancellation culture, I don't think a GM should be banned from playing because he supports the war and the president of his country, his ideology won't affect the way he plays and has no relation to chess so what is the point?

everything turned into politics lately.
Us vs them taken to the extreme.

The point is that the war is going on right now. Everyone participates in it in one way or another - this is a global world, and it's hard not to see a direct participant in the war in Karyakin - he is a citizen of Russia and supports the war. If you took a side and participate in the war, then be prepared for the fact that certain measures will be taken against you. I think this is fair and logical.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on April 08, 2022, 04:44:39 PM

didn't even know about Karakajin's situation so went to google it

Russia’s Sergey Karjakin banned from chess for supporting invasion of Ukraine

idk, even though I disagree with him I don't like the cancellation culture, I don't think a GM should be banned from playing because he supports the war and the president of his country, his ideology won't affect the way he plays and has no relation to chess so what is the point?

everything turned into politics lately.
Us vs them taken to the extreme.

Along with any other sport, there are certain ethical standards that a player must follow. While people might have conflicting views regarding a certain topic, they must say so in a way that will not be disrespectful to anyone.

The problem with Karjakin is that he made statements that are very disrespectful in this bloody and unnecessary war, in which judgement was served upon him. Russia has been using sport as a form of propaganda, stating that the war was necessary.

Just to give you a concrete example, Sergei Shipov also made statements regarding the war. But compared to Karjakin, Shipov's statements were less provocative and different in character. As a caliber of a player Karjakin is, he must uphold himself with high status and responsibility as always.

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didn't even know about Karakajin's situation so went to google it

Russia’s Sergey Karjakin banned from chess for supporting invasion of Ukraine

idk, even though I disagree with him I don't like the cancellation culture, I don't think a GM should be banned from playing because he supports the war and the president of his country, his ideology won't affect the way he plays and has no relation to chess so what is the point?

everything turned into politics lately.
Us vs them taken to the extreme.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on April 07, 2022, 09:59:45 AM

idk, I believe in natural skill (talent) but also that hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
so it should be possible to raise to a high level but will probably take years of practice

the other topic is now closed for some reason....

Yes, I also noticed that that topic was quite active, but now closed.
Still thinking about the idea of opening a new thread, with a poll option.
At the moment, I would be interested to know what the chess community thinks about Karjakin's ban. Personally, I am very impressed with the opinion of So who said that Karjakin just went crazy.

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idk, I believe in natural skill (talent) but also that hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
so it should be possible to raise to a high level but will probably take years of practice

the other topic is now closed for some reason....

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on March 18, 2022, 09:11:05 AM

for those interested on new topics about chess on the gambling area of the forum there's a new topic with vibrant discussion here:
Chess online?

good to see more people talking about chess around here

just posted it here because we talked about opening more topics on this thread a couple weeks ago

Yes, in fact the thread is very good, although for now I have seen many examples of what Artificial Intelligence is applied to games, but regarding this thread, I never thought that Richard would replace Nepo and Giri, I don't know as normally a person is able to rise in rank or ranking to be able to do geniuses.

I know that in order to prepare a person for any tournament they have to spend many hours training, watching each move and practicing which is the best, even doing many blitzes, time in chess is essential, I think that for these masters it should be something else.

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for those interested on new topics about chess on the gambling area of the forum there's a new topic with vibrant discussion here:
Chess online?

good to see more people talking about chess around here

just posted it here because we talked about opening more topics on this thread a couple weeks ago

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Congratulations for GM Richard Rapport for winning the 2022 Belgrade Grand Prix and also beating GM Dmitry Andreikin in their last match of the game. Though both had winning chances on the end, the last game is what sealed the deal for Richard in which he described his move as a a "leap of faith." The game should have ended in a draw but he managed to squeeze and somehow trick Dmitry into the end game.

I think as far as ratings go, Richard Rapport is now top 6 in the whole world, replacing Nepo and Giri on the standings. I do believe that he is capable of achieving greater heights, especially that he has now a chance to participate in the next year's candidates tournament!

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on March 05, 2022, 07:57:41 AM

must be hard to live only out of competitions too, would probably be a good idea for chess masters to boost their income with online trainings, coaching sessions and classes/courses

I know bit tournaments pay you well but what about off-season when they are just practicing and studying for it
are there such thing like sponsors for chess too?

It is not very difficult, chess is one of the most beautiful sports but unfortunately it does not have sponsors like soccer, what each teacher does is study alone, at least that is the knowledge I have of them, there are clubs worldwide that they can do a simulcast and get paid there, although those are special events and on particular dates.

In the case of some friends, they have completed their specializations as chess masters, I understand that training is day and night, practicing each move and its multiple options, it is not easy at all really.

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Quote from: South Park on March 08, 2022, 03:54:37 PM

<..>Without a doubt there are many factors that make a particular person talented at chess, and like you said their memory also plays a huge factor, after all if a person can only remember a handful of openings while another one can remember more openings and their many variations then the second person has a huge advantage over the first one, as they will be able to enter the middle game in a better position most of the time and they will be able to get more wins as a result of this knowledge they have memorized.

yes! completely true
not only remembering the openings but how to defend from them, or how to play each opening from white or black pieces perspective

I found out that openings will many times decide the whole game, sometimes you get a small advantage on the start like 1 or 2 pawns and then it's worth it to just exchange a lot of pieces, clean the board and turn pawns into queens, a pawn alone can totally change the game and decide who will win.

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According to some research that I read long time ago chess depends heavily on pattern recognition, for example we use pattern recognition to distinguish one person from another due to their distinctive features, however not everyone is as good as this and there are people that never forget a face while there are others that cannot remember even their own face, so it is likely that the best chess players are great at this and if to this we add their training then this explains why they can become so good at such a young age.

really interesting and makes sense
I find it that memory also plays a role on being good at it
and math/calculations, it's really mathematical too when it comes to memorizing and checking future possibilities of how the game may develop

Without a doubt there are many factors that make a particular person talented at chess, and like you said their memory also plays a huge factor, after all if a person can only remember a handful of openings while another one can remember more openings and their many variations then the second person has a huge advantage over the first one, as they will be able to enter the middle game in a better position most of the time and they will be able to get more wins as a result of this knowledge they have memorized.

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must be hard to live only out of competitions too, would probably be a good idea for chess masters to boost their income with online trainings, coaching sessions and classes/courses

I know bit tournaments pay you well but what about off-season when they are just practicing and studying for it
are there such thing like sponsors for chess too?

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And I agree with you, Carlsen Magnus is a really impressive chess player, and he proves how good he was when he play vs Kasparov at the age of 13.

Yeah I remember that video from YouTube were you could see the nervous young Carlsen play Kasparow, and after the match you would hear how impressed he was with him. Magnus got a lot of support for his family, they took him out of school for a year and travelled with him through Europe. So he could play many tournaments against a lot of different players. Now with the rise of online chess and blitz chess apps, everybody can play against each other from home. The potential to train against grandmaster from the other side of the earth should help all players. Even Magnus offers now the chance to play Blitz games against him on his own website.

I didn't know that Magnus had that option on his website, I heard a long time ago that he had the option to do some blitz on his site, but never against him, this is something that is very fun and at the same time educational, I think that every teacher of Chess should have its own site and share your thoughts, there are many chess fans worldwide, and every thought, every plan that is generated is something that may be new for those of us who have always been playing, particularly I am going to visit the site , I am struck by having an encounter with this master..

By the way, Kasparov is a strong opponent of Putin, and it seemed to me that he was being taken away by the Russian authorities for demonstrating against him, a noble and courageous gesture.

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