[CLOSED] Avalon ASIC chip distribution - page 11.

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Quote from: -Redacted- on August 30, 2013, 03:34:37 PM

Quote from: SebastianJu on August 30, 2013, 03:02:31 PM

Quote from: zefir on August 30, 2013, 02:58:10 PM

Did not her back from Avalon about clarifications for refunds, ETA, or price discount estimates. Will post as soon as I know more.

I believe Yifu stated he wants to prepare a refund form after he spoke about chip batches. So i think thats what he does now.

And preparing the form will take how many weeks? This is work that should take minutes and it has already been several days...

His exact words were; 'straight away'.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on August 30, 2013, 03:02:31 PM

Quote from: zefir on August 30, 2013, 02:58:10 PM

Did not her back from Avalon about clarifications for refunds, ETA, or price discount estimates. Will post as soon as I know more.

I believe Yifu stated he wants to prepare a refund form after he spoke about chip batches. So i think thats what he does now.

And preparing the form will take how many weeks? This is work that should take minutes and it has already been several days...

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Quote from: zefir on August 30, 2013, 02:58:10 PM

Did not her back from Avalon about clarifications for refunds, ETA, or price discount estimates. Will post as soon as I know more.

I believe Yifu stated he wants to prepare a refund form after he spoke about chip batches. So i think thats what he does now.

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Notification: Chips delivered with B1 and B2

Sorry folks, this is overdue, but due to the recent happenings I found no time to prepare the data in time. This is the list of chips that has been distributed from batches 1 and 2:

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Batch Chips Address Destination
1 1760 13BQocSpK6Ny8xubRGSXvdw5r4aTVBkrNp marto74
1 240 13BQocSpK6Ny8xubRGSXvdw5r4aTVBkrNp strombom
1 100 15BEMHdT27kP2K6Yca2rEGwChRuzuHub8s own
1 10 1G88KbjZi39ZA3BMXDwfmzidVDf2y2BKSp burnin
1 10 1Pv44QYXwC3FMiNZgXcpZRKyuXXueyVRrd burnin
1 390 1DDBpNCBHARLzk8wDpB3oHozm5aovxeCk6 own
1 10 1JwSSubhmg6iPtRjtyqhUYYH7bZg3Lfy1T burnin
1 12 1MarbLezGShArudGnm7o1Z7K9iQQ9CdKU4 own
1 10 14o3Xk5cbDMnYeBRW6pVgMuMJfC2gEhFpr burnin
1 320 1B8HcvE1Ag2eUR5fJZU29r7wgV9A7Rn91U strombom
1 280 1B8HcvE1Ag2eUR5fJZU29r7wgV9A7Rn91U ryepdx
1 40 13p3UtJyfHYDA6L4MAHmnHYGQ3qKs2Dc5T burnin
1 20 1EFrzG2hfUdhAzAHiFgZ3DEg6wHa7JFEg9 own
1 30 1QHyDiUvu1GpmNQfYAJpw67XSuEZfDNgeC burnin
1 10 1E26zhEHQq1AgkjnxchuRs1stwVH9X8Gni own
1 8 1MarbLezGShArudGnm7o1Z7K9iQQ9CdKU4 own
1 50 13FdjGU6P6q6ypqWVQ2fJpF93ikTKTH2yS burnin
1 70 16LtRGhh6wV65rntyvYPvnUNT3Lgv7xhDH ryepdx
1 50 1JVfngaFgaqa3BqBeP7ftFdPwr2sD514y3 strombom
1 100 16cdEgS1LfoAXC1uJhVaoSsYaDeoT2oDyo own
1 500 15AkZM1u2jXhetHEKLnQ5ScM6bvjGePYHd burnin
1 100 1JLzgdt3JhnSxQEgWv8Zd828M2eawGRuZA own
1 10 1LfDCbF7A1eegFymzCwYiWXuYsgPtgX8SL burnin
1 10 1ND1i4rcY7RJkJv9JvpizY51RjUYnhpJVQ burnin
1 50 1P7NGKHZBtpcUbqfRa4WX4fQnVNM7rRoyX own
1 110 1GhNkFnaXgcEBuJwgJhXHLjXZJrqLNFKbV burnin
1 30 1KqaXegcLn72rMYAerZLq3PiHz7WScjXvM burnin
1 500 1Kfsuv5xnVZHjkw7jdFyhAMWdRzoRQH8ks own
1 100 12HMTWSXTX9aQCBU6kRAZU5MwgNmGr8HjS burnin
1 20 1Pv44QYXwC3FMiNZgXcpZRKyuXXueyVRrd burnin
1 50 1JPtkDdgbbNxJgWjYtwMfWsLhAHdWR6TeQ burnin
1 200 15BEMHdT27kP2K6Yca2rEGwChRuzuHub8s own
1 10 1LnYQiE7Zt2o1AydhDXTSvoqys8BSJQKNC own
1 200 1pDimB6dXL5Cbqs1XDY8onkFj9deHmn7h burnin
1 50 1LFuHESA9K2AY9Ncpy3wGMpaB6zpTF8U78 own
1 100 16xaGH9D2AwG7yooFeo8qDXvgtPDRRfkDh burnin
1 60 12DNdacCtUZ99qcP74FwchaCPzeDL9Voff marto74
1 10 1LFuHESA9K2AY9Ncpy3wGMpaB6zpTF8U78 own
1 100 1Kfsuv5xnVZHjkw7jdFyhAMWdRzoRQH8ks own
1 120 16xaGH9D2AwG7yooFeo8qDXvgtPDRRfkDh burnin
1 10 17bytFkbVfpr4re3t8RdJgzLVm6XPtZLXo own
1 100 1pDstJv8t2MNm8ipTwg68P1u8nEYxP9tk own
1 30 1LFuHESA9K2AY9Ncpy3wGMpaB6zpTF8U78 own
2 380 1Bgu2w4vBTXDDkpWkjAeomVnRRYASnCaJV burnin
2 10 14aDJ3ciTmMpkW3etG6bNMN1oQQLhJmPMt burnin
2 700 19mhMrsLVg6dnaskWWoyY92GuSFBk6mvqQ burnin
2 400 1JbxcwwAy3ozAriSQ1Vexhz7AH6a6kNrpX burnin
2 120 1F7aPwhDyAJ8qFeLhVywg6pL1Wr7BpnCJb burnin
2 300 1JRp6vWi4dMUbaiSGxnnZ1Lo31mEnXK9Yo burnin
2 10 13r3a2wPR2ZiQbmN9XiQjcKWutnike6H6f burnin
2 500 17zBXRqsibwYriEALvmVgaKizhvXrGLPJA strombom
2 10 14ueYQdkjAoFhrfQumZEwzQ3Zg6fALraM8 burnin
2 80 16Mszwah7Czzgs1ULEuj5ZUfWvkYbMgZG6 burnin
2 10 1PVPGVQGfT8xiUYTNFkBxH7yRBQdUtNrvX own
2 100 1EcMQxq7XBGsim5BpGune56wZpthcEFQN9 burnin
2 700 1MSoqSFoyaPfpm8UiH1KRzWYx3ECcdWCPu burnin
2 10 198S1UfpVvLXJoLWYBJNsZnVQoyHFv5jku burnin
2 650 12knpx2FZaG22k1KCwhMviNZfTwYDjPCeg burnin
2 500 1Y7nz26nC4nrWADcj3jZSVSsH7KRZTsKZ burnin
2 30 19n18f4D1cSRHJH5cMVxBV5LobmJk64hqX burnin
2 320 15Y5NPeCU2zSmrwscBnSi8uybhVEqpE7bi strombom
2 100 16xaGH9D2AwG7yooFeo8qDXvgtPDRRfkDh burnin
2 360 16q2XVdzjaKbiBVwzMaaHqsG1iGN3FHaFV Terrahash
2 30 1FhKGnAtr6s8gbj7HmzA4H7mytSCQUfvo4 burnin
2 50 15xGnu9mqDuU6JXv5zfcDTTnKdLD8sdmvZ own
2 1000 13nS35LWaCbwgKd6kLitdxdLJfEs21p6s8 burnin

Those chips are in production now and obviously can't be refunded any more.

Did not her back from Avalon about clarifications for refunds, ETA, or price discount estimates. Will post as soon as I know more.

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Quote from: Ente on August 30, 2013, 03:30:31 AM

Quote from: 2weiX on August 30, 2013, 03:22:57 AM

Quote from: dani on August 29, 2013, 12:58:16 PM

Quote from: zefir on August 29, 2013, 09:25:41 AM

FYI

I don't want a refund at this stage. I already ordered and paid for the assembly. I rather have my hardware and hash or sell it, instead of getting a refund from yifu which will likely take ages. I don't want next-gen chips from yifu, because I saw the lack of skills, trust and anything else on yifu's side. Best would be partial refund/compensation I think. Getting my btc back simply doesnt do it anymore at this stage for me.

I would:
ask for the chips asap and demand a compensation. If no compensation or chips - sue his ass!

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gimme the chips plus a 33% refund, you cheecky bastard.

Nope. Yifu wrote he'll refund the chips in full and later offers the chips at a discount.
In your case, that may translate to "75% refund now, receive chips in ~~2 months~~ 2 weeks™"

Ente

I already threw 3000€ a burnin.
I just want to be reimbursed to the point that running the miners might make SOME sense a year into it.

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Quote from: HeRetiK on August 30, 2013, 05:46:20 AM

Quote from: zefir on August 29, 2013, 03:59:32 PM

Those demanding their chips plus some compensation for the delay should follow the proposed approach: get a refund now and order chips later when they are in stock and cheaper.

@Zefir: I assume ordering chips later again, once they are in stock and cheaper, would involve yet another group buy? Also if that's the case would you be going through all the group buy hassle again or are you done with it?

I would avoid asking those questions just now.
At least I would strictly avoid it when face-to-face ;-)

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Quote from: zefir on August 29, 2013, 03:59:32 PM

Those demanding their chips plus some compensation for the delay should follow the proposed approach: get a refund now and order chips later when they are in stock and cheaper.

@Zefir: I assume ordering chips later again, once they are in stock and cheaper, would involve yet another group buy? Also if that's the case would you be going through all the group buy hassle again or are you done with it?

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Quote from: mikep2012 on August 29, 2013, 02:04:43 PM

myself - i want the batch 3 delivered - since i've already paid for burnin assembly, and i'm loosing 50% of the money if this batch will be refunded.
also i have some small orders in other batches - those can be refunded if the delivery will take too long.

Zefir, btw can you ask Yifu what is the real situation about the chips that you've ordered - does he have them ready or not?

I have 2 orders (w/Burnin) for sale. One of which includes Zefir Batch 2 chips.
See here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3041059

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Quote from: 2weiX on August 30, 2013, 03:22:57 AM

Quote from: dani on August 29, 2013, 12:58:16 PM

Quote from: zefir on August 29, 2013, 09:25:41 AM

FYI

I don't want a refund at this stage. I already ordered and paid for the assembly. I rather have my hardware and hash or sell it, instead of getting a refund from yifu which will likely take ages. I don't want next-gen chips from yifu, because I saw the lack of skills, trust and anything else on yifu's side. Best would be partial refund/compensation I think. Getting my btc back simply doesnt do it anymore at this stage for me.

I would:
ask for the chips asap and demand a compensation. If no compensation or chips - sue his ass!

#2

gimme the chips plus a 33% refund, you cheecky bastard.

Nope. Yifu wrote he'll refund the chips in full and later offers the chips at a discount.
In your case, that may translate to "75% refund now, receive chips in ~~2 months~~ 2 weeks™"

Ente

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Quote from: dani on August 29, 2013, 12:58:16 PM

Quote from: zefir on August 29, 2013, 09:25:41 AM

FYI

I don't want a refund at this stage. I already ordered and paid for the assembly. I rather have my hardware and hash or sell it, instead of getting a refund from yifu which will likely take ages. I don't want next-gen chips from yifu, because I saw the lack of skills, trust and anything else on yifu's side. Best would be partial refund/compensation I think. Getting my btc back simply doesnt do it anymore at this stage for me.

I would:
ask for the chips asap and demand a compensation. If no compensation or chips - sue his ass!

#2

gimme the chips plus a 33% refund, you cheecky bastard.

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Quote from: marto74 on August 29, 2013, 07:00:40 PM

Quote from: fasmax on August 29, 2013, 06:32:38 PM

Would it be possible to get a new estimate from Avalon as to when the batches might be delivered?
Are we looking at 9 to 10 more weeks or are we looking at days?
Thanks!

+1

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Quote from: mikep2012 on August 29, 2013, 02:04:43 PM

myself - i want the batch 3 delivered - since i've already paid for burnin assembly, and i'm loosing 50% of the money if this batch will be refunded.
also i have some small orders in other batches - those can be refunded if the delivery will take too long.

Zefir, btw can you ask Yifu what is the real situation about the chips that you've ordered - does he have them ready or not?

Burnin is still committed to assembling boards for those who do not ask for a refund.
Refunds are "on request" not "all or none", right?

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Quote from: 600watt on August 29, 2013, 10:20:01 AM

what exactly went wrong with bitsyncom ?

I'd like to know this also. I fear though that we may never.

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Quote from: marto74 on August 29, 2013, 07:00:40 PM

Quote from: fasmax on August 29, 2013, 06:32:38 PM

Would it be possible to get a new estimate from Avalon as to when the batches might be delivered?
Are we looking at 9 to 10 more weeks or are we looking at days?
Thanks!

+1

Yeah, this. I've got some chips in batch #3, which if they were close I would stick with just because I want to.

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Quote from: fasmax on August 29, 2013, 06:32:38 PM

Would it be possible to get a new estimate from Avalon as to when the batches might be delivered?
Are we looking at 9 to 10 more weeks or are we looking at days?
Thanks!

+1

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Would it be possible to get a new estimate from Avalon as to when the batches might be delivered?
Are we looking at 9 to 10 more weeks or are we looking at days?
Thanks!

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Quote from: krayzie32 on August 29, 2013, 01:18:24 PM

So that would mean Yifu never ordered all of the chips from TSMC so what happened to all those coins? Yifu would never refund if he paid and have ordered all the chips knowing that people will not be buying them even at a discount.

Y I FU will/had make/made a killing selling our chips in his homeland,not to worry,he'll STILL be a multimillionaire Wink

China will eat these chips up at a markup even Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Rodyland on August 29, 2013, 04:52:17 PM

What I don't get is, where is the BTC for the refunds coming from?

The BTC (or at least a good chunk of it) should have been spent to manufacture the chips. Given how late into the game we are, all of the chips should be being manufactured/packaged as we speak.

Did they make such a killing on batch 1/2/3 and chips that they can afford to refund thousands of BTC to unhappy customers, for goods that were maid/paid to order (so they say, hence the 'no refunds' line in the store T&Cs).

There is evidence that they were mining with batch 1, 2 and 3 before they were shipped out with 1000's of BTC in the mining wallet.

Edit: also the proceeds from the chip sales have not been touched.

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Quote from: zefir on August 29, 2013, 05:28:20 PM

To state the obvious: noone will be forced to take a refund if he does not want, as well as noone will be forced to keep the chips if he does not want. There will be a later demand to set a deadline to clear things up in a timely manner, but right now everyone has enough time to form his fully independent decision.

Sounds generous but i hope it doesnt lead to the point that you have to keep chips you dont want at all so that you have to pay for this mess at the end.

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Quote from: dani on August 29, 2013, 04:23:17 PM

Is the refund in btc and in full? Would I get the same amount of btc I paid? Could you ask the discount? 10% is not worth the refund and rebuying, nor would 50% compensate if you already paid a manufacturer..

Since chip prices are given denominated in BTC, I understand we are talking about BTC refunds in full, everything else would be not acceptable. Yes, I'll ask for estimates on discount, alas I do not expect reliable answers, since prices are dynamically adjusted to market conditions.

Quote from: fex on August 29, 2013, 04:46:54 PM

- I have orders in two batches. Can I get a refund for only one order?
- How much BTC per chip will be refunded?

Yes, you can place a line per order you want refunded, or sum up all your orders into a single line. Though, you can not get an order partially refunded (this is impossible to handle). See above: we are talking about full refunds, you get back what you paid.

Quote from: atcsecure on August 29, 2013, 04:49:39 PM

Any news on batch #3 chips?

As always, news are posted immediately here.

Quote from: SebastianJu on August 29, 2013, 04:55:33 PM

@zefir... i handle it the way in my groupbuy that i ask if the buyers want refund and if they want how many chips they would like to get anyway. Since we bought 5.6 batches it might be possible that one batch still remains ordered while the others get a refund.
In case the chip count of those chips that dont want to be refunded and its not reaching 10k... maybe we could work something out in case your buyers want enough chips to be delivered anyway that a full batch comes out of it?
Only a thought...

I have enough own chips in order to easily do the inverse fore-running I did when ordering: I'll ask for a refund of a batch immediately and for the next as soon as I have refund requests for 10k chips. We can start coordinating this when we approach the end of the refund queue to ensure every buyer gets what he wants.

To state the obvious: noone will be forced to take a refund if he does not want, as well as noone will be forced to keep the chips if he does not want. There will be a later demand to set a deadline to clear things up in a timely manner, but right now everyone has enough time to form his fully independent decision.

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