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Topic: (Closed) Butter Bot!: Premier Bitstamp, and BTC-E EMA Trading Platform (Closed) - page 20. (Read 274813 times)

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My Precious!
I run my bot 24/7 unless stupid Windows 8 takes a dump on me......  I hate Windows 8  Angry    I'm only getting a 19% profit for this month, but I've done alot of playing around the last week or so...... Sad

is that actual profit or just what is reported via your backtest?
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I run my bot 24/7 unless stupid Windows 8 takes a dump on me......  I hate Windows 8  Angry    I'm only getting a 19% profit for this month, but I've done alot of playing around the last week or so...... Sad
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My Precious!
Butter Bot profits only? Or is that from Alt-Coin Trading as well?

Just butter-bot... I am averaging about 30% per week in altcoin trading.

One thing that does bug me considerably about BB is that the backtesting always shows more profit than what I am actually getting...

So just checking my numbers on the backtest BB shows that I made 28.64%

But in reality I am only up 26%...

Butter-Bot doesn't buy and sell on precisely the numbers that it uses for triggers.
legendary
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Here we are getting ready to tie off another month which is when I make my bi-weekly recordings to track profit and loss on my investments...

So my question to the general public is... (for those of you that have been "consistently" running your bots for measurable periods)... what was your profit for the month of January.

My profit so far for January has been 26.77%.



Butter Bot profits only? Or is that from Alt-Coin Trading as well?
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My Precious!
Here we are getting ready to tie off another month which is when I make my bi-weekly recordings to track profit and loss on my investments...

So my question to the general public is... (for those of you that have been "consistently" running your bots for measurable periods)... what was your profit for the month of January.

My profit so far for January has been 26.77%.


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Just released the Beta to all the testers! Look forward to everyone's feedback!

Pablo.
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Hello all,

I've properly configured BB for trading on BTC-e, but I don't know what the "Bitstamp Client ID" is for Bitstamp.  I left it blank and as you might guess, it doesn't trade.  I *have* read everything I can find without an answer.

Any help would be appreciated.

Hi Randy :=),
  The "client ID" is your client number/username.

Please let me know if you need anything at all.

Pablo.

That was pretty easy (once I was given the answer).  :-)  Now it's alive and working.

Pablo, Thank you for being here for all of us!

Randy
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Hello all,

I've properly configured BB for trading on BTC-e, but I don't know what the "Bitstamp Client ID" is for Bitstamp.  I left it blank and as you might guess, it doesn't trade.  I *have* read everything I can find without an answer.

Any help would be appreciated.

Hi Randy :=),
  The "client ID" is your client number/username.

Please let me know if you need anything at all.

Pablo.
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Hello all,

I've properly configured BB for trading on BTC-e, but I don't know what the "Bitstamp Client ID" is for Bitstamp.  I left it blank and as you might guess, it doesn't trade.  I *have* read everything I can find without an answer.

Any help would be appreciated.
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My Precious!
Sorry if this is a stupidly newby question but I am indeed new to all this! 

Where can I obtain the BTC-e historic data (say the 30 min and 1 hour max/min/open/close prices) so that I can do any excel modelling required to identify what good parameters would be for the bot?

Thanks

Miles

Thats what the backtest feature is for.

Sorry that that isn't a direct answer to your question. I am sure there probably is a way to obtain the historical data... but the most efficient way to configure your bot is with backtesting. However until you can customize the date ranges and your starting funds USD/BTC then it requires a bit more of specific understanding about how EMA crossover trading works in order to discover what works best.. and then remember that what worked 1 year ago and 1 month ago may be radically different...

 
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Sorry if this is a stupidly newby question but I am indeed new to all this! 

Where can I obtain the BTC-e historic data (say the 30 min and 1 hour max/min/open/close prices) so that I can do any excel modelling required to identify what good parameters would be for the bot?

Thanks

Miles
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My Precious!
If you don't mind me asking were you utilizing TSL or EMA trading in the sideways market? I had mine on some basic EMA settings, but it was trading consistently at small losses. I wonder if TSL is better for the short-term in a sideways market?

The secret in a sideways market (TSL or no TSL) is to have your bot set properly for the sideways market condition... this goes back to what I said a few pages back about having your week and month backtest balance each other out. (which will be easier when the custom date ranges are implemented)
 

Good EMA with proper threshold settings... everything else is just that... everything else.
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Sorry if this is a duplicate post - something odd happened when I tried to post! 

How do you zero in on a good set of settings?  Looking at the heat maps from earlier in the thread it doesn't seem surprising that I'm having trouble tweaking settings to "walk towards" a good setting as pushing along any given setting makes it better, then worse, then a bit better etc.  So short of going with numerology or random luck how do you identify a good group of settings.  It certainly seems possible (hence quoting PuertoLibre below) but I don't know where to start or what tools I need to use to help.

Any suggestions gratefully received, especially as the overwhelming advice seems to be that one has to adapt to changing market conditions which requires the process to be repeated - which first requires a process! Smiley

Thanks

Miles

I optimized your settings. Can someone beat my settings? (its a contest right?)

I didn't optimize it "in depth" since I was looking at 1) how to scale trades properly given a specific timeframe 2) has mostly green throughout 3) Works extremely well during a long term bear market 4) develop a simpler method for optimizing settings within 2 hours. Which is what I more or less wanted to achieve.

I took a pic at 3 months 6 months and 1 year so you can see how it performs without the prominent growth from earlier in the year.



Edit: You got 10677%...
I got...13104%



hero member
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Pablo, emailed you but haven't heard back. I can't download the new version, email it to me.
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@ Pablo

You once mentioned that ButterBot takes about 160 or 165 SMA samples to generate the first EMA value. I have tried various amounts but never seem to be able to replicate the exact same EMA values as butterbot.

Could you ask around about this?

I am compiling a Month to Month Minute accurate excel sheet to distribute on the forum so we can run various kinds of math against the past. But so far I am having a hard time replicating the ButterBot EMA samples. (I'd like it to match the real butter rather than be an approximation).
@ Pablo
Did you get around to investigating the SMA samples?

Puerto,
  Email me so we can discuss it in detail Smiley.

Pablo.
Will do.

@ The 1st thresholds.

I'd like to say that if you are creative enough, you can use the first pair of thresholds to limit your losses. Keep that in mind.

If you tune your settings with the first pair, you can also make the bot act slightly different in various types of scenarios.

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For example, you might want to assure your bot [only] buys after a sustained dip.

In this case your threshold might be a 2 and the second threshold for buying might be a 0.3

Same would be true of a sell scenario.
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You can also use the first pair to assure the bot weeds out the sudden micro peaks that don't affect price very much. For example, the market might go from -0.18 to 0.3 in two intervals. Using the first pair you can induce the bot to only buy if there is first a 0.25 or higher target  and then on the second threshold 0.3


Which means it is looking for progression rather than sudden spikes which only meet 1 criteria.

If you learn how to use the first pair properly you can even set the bot to look for specific types of reversals. Just food for thought if folks think the first pair is useless. It's not. The programmer probably placed it there after realizing that 1 threshold can create wins but also major losses when there are false positives.

If you could set even more thresholds you could probably look for specific types of EMA curves and not just 2 basic thresholds being met.


That is really interesting. I've been trying to find some settings (particularly with the first pair of buy/sell thresholds) that could possibly resist sudden dropdowns like the one happened in mid December. So far without luck.
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My Precious!
Hey Pablo... This may be obvious but in the backtesting engine the starting fund needs to be able to be set to BTC as well as USD in order for us to backtest correctly.

Custom date ranges and the ability to switch between coin and cash will make the BB backtest the best ever!
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legendary
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I have been away for a few days... and I come back and find a preview for a custom date range in backtesting! Holy $*iT!!

I can't love that enough...

and then my heart just sinks because I have been reading all these posts here and while I am not going to call out any names... I am gonna suggest that if you really don't know what you're doing... save yourself the lost money, heartache and just forward your coins to my addresses... thanks! I will look after them for you.

BTW... I have had some decent results perfecting my TSL only strategy but then I got totally sidetracked by dogecoin trading on cryptsy! And I must say... I can see some REAL potential for butter-bot upgrades to incorporate alt-coin arbitrage with BTC...

I have made some nice profits the last few days in this suck ass sideways market!

hopefully we will see some good things in these upcoming updates.


You too, heh? Grin Cheesy
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Simply because I see this ALL the time, and I get asked all the time.... Yes Butter-Bot DOES work. It works pretty damn well for an EMA bot!

You simply need to have it configured correctly and adjust your settings for the market that you are currently in (for instance this has been a sideways market the last month)...

Keep your settings current (the new custom date ranges in back testing should help with that greatly although I caution that people don't go "crazy")...

and on a completely different topic... this last week I saw a 30% profit playing arbitrage between BTC and alt coins... I am hoping that we will see some of these automations quickly get into BB!

check mic... check mic.. is this thing on? testes testes... 1... 2... 3??!!??!!
member
Activity: 117
Merit: 10
My Precious!
I have been away for a few days... and I come back and find a preview for a custom date range in backtesting! Holy $*iT!!

I can't love that enough...

and then my heart just sinks because I have been reading all these posts here and while I am not going to call out any names... I am gonna suggest that if you really don't know what you're doing... save yourself the lost money, heartache and just forward your coins to my addresses... thanks! I will look after them for you.

BTW... I have had some decent results perfecting my TSL only strategy but then I got totally sidetracked by dogecoin trading on cryptsy! And I must say... I can see some REAL potential for butter-bot upgrades to incorporate alt-coin arbitrage with BTC...

I have made some nice profits the last few days in this suck ass sideways market!

hopefully we will see some good things in these upcoming updates.

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