Hi all -
Firstly, please accept our apologies for the delay in response and thank you to all - especially the senior members of the community - for your patience while we collated all of the relevant facts so that we could respond extremely accurately.
A comment on @efxes's case from Cloudbet.
1. Cloudbet does not accept players from USA. If USA players attempt to create an account, they see a clear message that their jurisdiction is prohibited.
yeah so you take the winnings AND losses from the players, you're a leech on the community
2. If a player is found to be circumventing our automated checks and connects from a prohibited jurisdiction (such as USA), their account is immediately frozen pending an investigation. In this case, the player in question knowingly and deliberately circumvented our location checks, and was discovered and confirmed to be located in USA. They provided both ID and address proof from USA and also repeatedly attempted to login from USA IP addresses.
Immediately frozen? you are only freezing accounts when you've built up enough trust or an account has built up enough profit over time of depositing and cashing out to freeze an account at your will in order to steal from the player
That the player is located in the USA is without doubt, and we prohibit all players from USA. That they knowingly and deliberately circumvented our country checks is also without doubt.
3. In accordance with our T&Cs, in these situations we reserve the right to void all bets and return their account balance, up to the sum of their deposits. Furthermore, we reserve the right to confiscate funds in certain cases (such as repeat offenders). We did not confiscate any funds in this case, but instead voided all bets.
4. In this particular case, the customer has already withdrawn more than the sum of their deposits and accordingly we consider the matter closed. If the player offers their consent, we can gladly share transaction hashes of all relevant transactions.
Buddy, you waited for me to deposit $20,000 to pull that card. I had nothing in my account before depositing $20,000 in BCH (74BCH) in a single day, and then stealing that? Return the funds in the account deposited!
5. Additionally, the player is sharing information and making claims in public web forums (such as this one) that they know to be untrue. For example, the player claims they have provided us with address proof outside of the USA which is untrue. The player has also made other untrue claims - such as the size of their deposits.
Feel free to share with the community what is a lie. I have lied about nothing, I have said that I was in Mexico and feel free to prove that I wasn't because you can't. There are things like VPN's and remote desktop connections that allow me to do work remotely on home computers etc. You can't prove these things. Even if you could it's immoral to take my last deposits.
6. We continue to have a duty of privacy to the player, so cannot publish information we have that directly contradicts their claims without the player's explicit consent. We can, however, share this with our regulator, or an arbiter with the player's consent. Additionally, if the player would like to consent to us sharing this information with select senior members of the community, we would be happy to do so.
7. If the player wishes to continue their claim, we strongly encourage the player to take their case to either Curacao eGaming or AskGamblers.com, either of whom will act as an arbiter. We agree to be bound by any ruling they make in this case.
You have both of these syndicates in your pocket through bribery.
Fellow members - we know the player is creating a lot of noise about this case, and we treat every claim of this nature seriously, but in this situation, the player knowingly tried to circumvent our rules, was caught, has already withdrawn more than their deposit, and is providing false information in public. We ask for the community's support to dismiss these false claims by the player.
You want to know why I'm creating a lot of noise? Because I'm willing to risk the $15,000 in order to make sure this never happens to anyone again in the community at your sportsbook.
Thanks
Team Cloudbet
Please, leave the flags, leave the negative feedback, let's get these scammers off of the internet.
Btw,
this isn't just about USA violation or whatever and being able to steal from a winning account. This is about a book finding any way "in their right" to scam and steal from the cryptocurrency community in an anonymous off-shore book type of way. People need to know, please help us do the part of getting in the way of this shady company.
Leave flags, leave negative trust, and don't let this thread go back to the topic of sports betting which is how they want it with their multiple shill accounts. Please.
