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December 21, 2022, 05:00:21 PM

It would have been somewhat more acceptable if it had been organized by ferocious animals instead of cockfighting. But the animals by which they are organized are called domestic animals. As a result, if you gamble by harming those animals, there should be more pain than pleasure. Although those who have already involved themselves in such activities may have rejected the affection and love they have for the animals. Moreover, Animal Resources Department will never condone such activities.

I don't think its more acceptable if the animals that are fighting with one another because humans made them do so were the cruel ones. This is because despite being violent in nature, they are still living things that deserve to live peacefully in their natural habitat. Being subjected to fighting forcefully just for the sake of entertainment and betting isn't justifiable. It's unhumane. These kinds of cruelty should be stopped because animals aren't toys to be played with.

Human aren't the only ones who feel pain and suffering. Animals can feel those too. For sure if you were on the shoes of those game cocks and other animals that are required to fight for survival, you wouldn't feel amused.
It just depends on everyone's views, it seems because there will definitely be those who agree and some who don't about this, especially for animal lovers who will indeed seem like torture by fighting chickens, but on the other hand, in my area, things like this are even entertainment. It has been around for a long time before it was even used as a gambling venue. because sometimes there are a number of things that can become culture or tradition which is always done when there are certain celebrations.
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December 21, 2022, 04:50:15 PM
That said, let's just respect each other despite the difference of our beliefs regarding animal cruelty. We already have our own guilt besides from these gambling which includes animals, and that is we're as much guilty also, but the difference is just it's not from cockfighting or any gambling that involves animals. Protesting against these culture is really pointless because the governments and other top personalities are riding with these kind of industry.
We certainly won't agree to animal cruelty but we don't know the origin of other cultures so we have to respect it, I've even seen a cockfighting game shown on television but I won't mention the country, I feel sorry for the animal but what can do if the game of cockfighting has been legalized in that country and even published on television. But I hope that cockfighting is not publicized and broadcast in a limited way because other countries don't deserve to watch the event.
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December 21, 2022, 04:21:03 PM
Then what's your solution to stop all this mess? Can you do something to stop the cultural activities that are legal in a country?
Don't act like that as in a country where cock fight is legal and many people support it, it will just continue.
Rather than stress yourself on how to stop it, you can just easily and simply ignore it.
You get same advice from nearly any country that has any injustices to correct, they could be injustice against humans or other animals. And that is to talk about it. Talk about it with your representatives, keep the conversation alive. Governments allowing this get more heat and incentives to act. Also organized boycots are one way to make a difference, to make them listen.

These things move very slowly. And it's up to all of us. More people will join, faster changes happen.
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December 21, 2022, 04:03:55 PM
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Not sure about other countries but looking on that perspective, the chance that whatever countries still facilitating this gambling might continue to bring this business.

The revenue which is written is a basis alone and not the actual amount. There are sides betting which
is no longer count plus the illegal places where this gambling can be performed.

With that number, involvement of some government officials is really anticipated, money
will move them since it's an easy side income for them.


I see. In that case Cock fight game will never be banned in countries with corrupt governments, no matter how much animal rights activists will be protesting. I'm no vegetarian myself, so I don't have the right to be that judgmental about the whole thing, but I would never bet on one animal to be killed by another. Even though I like to eat meat, I think it's over the edge.

That said, let's just respect each other despite the difference of our beliefs regarding animal cruelty. We already have our own guilt besides from these gambling which includes animals, and that is we're as much guilty also, but the difference is just it's not from cockfighting or any gambling that involves animals. Protesting against these culture is really pointless because the governments and other top personalities are riding with these kind of industry.
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December 21, 2022, 10:49:50 AM
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Not sure about other countries but looking on that perspective, the chance that whatever countries still facilitating this gambling might continue to bring this business.

The revenue which is written is a basis alone and not the actual amount. There are sides betting which
is no longer count plus the illegal places where this gambling can be performed.

With that number, involvement of some government officials is really anticipated, money
will move them since it's an easy side income for them.


I see. In that case Cock fight game will never be banned in countries with corrupt governments, no matter how much animal rights activists will be protesting. I'm no vegetarian myself, so I don't have the right to be that judgmental about the whole thing, but I would never bet on one animal to be killed by another. Even though I like to eat meat, I think it's over the edge.
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December 21, 2022, 09:00:32 AM

It would have been somewhat more acceptable if it had been organized by ferocious animals instead of cockfighting. But the animals by which they are organized are called domestic animals. As a result, if you gamble by harming those animals, there should be more pain than pleasure. Although those who have already involved themselves in such activities may have rejected the affection and love they have for the animals. Moreover, Animal Resources Department will never condone such activities.

I don't think its more acceptable if the animals that are fighting with one another because humans made them do so were the cruel ones. This is because despite being violent in nature, they are still living things that deserve to live peacefully in their natural habitat. Being subjected to fighting forcefully just for the sake of entertainment and betting isn't justifiable. It's unhumane. These kinds of cruelty should be stopped because animals aren't toys to be played with.

Human aren't the only ones who feel pain and suffering. Animals can feel those too. For sure if you were on the shoes of those game cocks and other animals that are required to fight for survival, you wouldn't feel amused.
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December 21, 2022, 07:40:46 AM
But we must not let them continue to play cockfighting because it involves the lives of animals.

Are you really serious about that?

Can we apply that argument to poultry chickens that were every day killed for human consumption? Or you will say that it's another story because people need to eat every day regardless if it's a chicken or not?

I don't understand why you are against cockfighting because it involves the "lives" of animals but enjoys eating a chicken meal.

There's no Science or Math there.
That's different buddy. Poultry chickens that are killed for human consumption every day are those that are reared and used for consumption. But a chicken to play cockfighting will become a carcass when the chicken dies, although you can still eat it. It's completely different.

Maybe you enjoy playing cockfighting, and there is a different feeling when you see the cocks betting, getting injured, and some even dying in the middle of the match. But I don't, and go ahead if you like it.

well we eat them, i personally had ate some of these rooster when they die in the fight. but that was years ago.
most raiser of these cock fighters are sentimental that if their cock fighter won several times like a champ, they save its race and keep it alive even if its wounded severely. and then reproduce its race also.

they have their own community where they share the race of the chicken, they have their own market which these rosters are traded and traveled from island to island. they do have facebook groups for the raisers treating the animals as pets.

It may be like that. But today's era is different from the previous decades, where not many people care about the lives of everyone who lives. Those living in today's world think that betting using animals is ridiculous and should be banned. But the reality is that there are still several places in remote areas that hold this cockfighting bet, and it turns out that it can attract the attention of the people around the place. And with social media, the group can have its own community as you said.

But we must not let them continue to play cockfighting because it involves the lives of animals.

Are you really serious about that?

Can we apply that argument to poultry chickens that were every day killed for human consumption? Or you will say that it's another story because people need to eat every day regardless if it's a chicken or not?

I don't understand why you are against cockfighting because it involves the "lives" of animals but enjoys eating a chicken meal.

There's no Science or Math there.
That's different buddy. Poultry chickens that are killed for human consumption every day are those that are reared and used for consumption. But a chicken to play cockfighting will become a carcass when the chicken dies, although you can still eat it. It's completely different.

Maybe you enjoy playing cockfighting, and there is a different feeling when you see the cocks betting, getting injured, and some even dying in the middle of the match. But I don't, and go ahead if you like it.
The main point here is that why need to use them for Betting and fun when chicken are provided for meal ? I mean instead of using them to make us enjoy in gambling there are so much to choose from that does not involve any lives, this may sounds corny but I think like Dog fight and other form of animal fighting ? these animals needs to be treated fair , kill them to fed us and that is OK but using them for fun is far different to what needs to be.
Well, everyone's opinion will certainly vary, and I respect that. If I don't like it, but they do, that's up to them. And maybe this cockfighting bet will still exist in several other countries because this is traditional gambling where there are still many people who enjoy it and even have lots of cocks ready to fight to defeat all their enemies.
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December 21, 2022, 06:20:46 AM
But we must not let them continue to play cockfighting because it involves the lives of animals.

Are you really serious about that?

Can we apply that argument to poultry chickens that were every day killed for human consumption? Or you will say that it's another story because people need to eat every day regardless if it's a chicken or not?

I don't understand why you are against cockfighting because it involves the "lives" of animals but enjoys eating a chicken meal.

There's no Science or Math there.
That's different buddy. Poultry chickens that are killed for human consumption every day are those that are reared and used for consumption. But a chicken to play cockfighting will become a carcass when the chicken dies, although you can still eat it. It's completely different.

Maybe you enjoy playing cockfighting, and there is a different feeling when you see the cocks betting, getting injured, and some even dying in the middle of the match. But I don't, and go ahead if you like it.
The main point here is that why need to use them for Betting and fun when chicken are provided for meal ? I mean instead of using them to make us enjoy in gambling there are so much to choose from that does not involve any lives, this may sounds corny but I think like Dog fight and other form of animal fighting ? these animals needs to be treated fair , kill them to fed us and that is OK but using them for fun is far different to what needs to be.
It would have been somewhat more acceptable if it had been organized by ferocious animals instead of cockfighting. But the animals by which they are organized are called domestic animals. As a result, if you gamble by harming those animals, there should be more pain than pleasure. Although those who have already involved themselves in such activities may have rejected the affection and love they have for the animals. Moreover, Animal Resources Department will never condone such activities.
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December 21, 2022, 01:15:39 AM
The main point here is that why need to use them for Betting and fun when chicken are provided for meal ? I mean instead of using them to make us enjoy in gambling there are so much to choose from that does not involve any lives, this may sounds corny but I think like Dog fight and other form of animal fighting ? these animals needs to be treated fair , kill them to fed us and that is OK but using them for fun is far different to what needs to be.

How can you make the distinction? You may having the opinion that killing these animals for food is OK. But someone else maybe against that idea. How you are going to react if someone tells you that you should become vegetarian, because you are not allowed to kill animals for food? Let's respect everyone's individual freedom. If you are allowed to kill animals for food, others are also allowed to kill animals for the purpose of entertainment. The most important thing here is to refrain from imposing a false sense of morality over others.
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December 21, 2022, 12:33:07 AM
But we must not let them continue to play cockfighting because it involves the lives of animals.

Are you really serious about that?

Can we apply that argument to poultry chickens that were every day killed for human consumption? Or you will say that it's another story because people need to eat every day regardless if it's a chicken or not?

I don't understand why you are against cockfighting because it involves the "lives" of animals but enjoys eating a chicken meal.

There's no Science or Math there.
That's different buddy. Poultry chickens that are killed for human consumption every day are those that are reared and used for consumption. But a chicken to play cockfighting will become a carcass when the chicken dies, although you can still eat it. It's completely different.

Maybe you enjoy playing cockfighting, and there is a different feeling when you see the cocks betting, getting injured, and some even dying in the middle of the match. But I don't, and go ahead if you like it.
The main point here is that why need to use them for Betting and fun when chicken are provided for meal ? I mean instead of using them to make us enjoy in gambling there are so much to choose from that does not involve any lives, this may sounds corny but I think like Dog fight and other form of animal fighting ? these animals needs to be treated fair , kill them to fed us and that is OK but using them for fun is far different to what needs to be.
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December 20, 2022, 11:39:18 PM
well we eat them, i personally had ate some of these rooster when they die in the fight. but that was years ago.
most raiser of these cock fighters are sentimental that if their cock fighter won several times like a champ, they save its race and keep it alive even if its wounded severely. and then reproduce its race also.

they have their own community where they share the race of the chicken, they have their own market which these rosters are traded and traveled from island to island. they do have facebook groups for the raisers treating the animals as pets.

Cock fighting actually preserves rare and local breeds of chicken. In today's world, poultry farms prefer a few breeds that give good muscle growth in short amount of time. And this has led to extinction of several local breeds. But such poultry breeds are not suitable for cock fight. And for this purpose, the players preserve local sub-species. Without activities such as cock fighting, several local breeds would be extinct by now. Activists always look at one side of the picture. They fail to notice the benefits that indigenous activities such as cock fighting bring.
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December 20, 2022, 11:15:22 AM
But we must not let them continue to play cockfighting because it involves the lives of animals.

Are you really serious about that?

Can we apply that argument to poultry chickens that were every day killed for human consumption? Or you will say that it's another story because people need to eat every day regardless if it's a chicken or not?

I don't understand why you are against cockfighting because it involves the "lives" of animals but enjoys eating a chicken meal.

There's no Science or Math there.
That's different buddy. Poultry chickens that are killed for human consumption every day are those that are reared and used for consumption. But a chicken to play cockfighting will become a carcass when the chicken dies, although you can still eat it. It's completely different.

Maybe you enjoy playing cockfighting, and there is a different feeling when you see the cocks betting, getting injured, and some even dying in the middle of the match. But I don't, and go ahead if you like it.

well we eat them, i personally had ate some of these rooster when they die in the fight. but that was years ago.
most raiser of these cock fighters are sentimental that if their cock fighter won several times like a champ, they save its race and keep it alive even if its wounded severely. and then reproduce its race also.

they have their own community where they share the race of the chicken, they have their own market which these rosters are traded and traveled from island to island. they do have facebook groups for the raisers treating the animals as pets.
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December 20, 2022, 10:22:07 AM
But we must not let them continue to play cockfighting because it involves the lives of animals.

Are you really serious about that?

Can we apply that argument to poultry chickens that were every day killed for human consumption? Or you will say that it's another story because people need to eat every day regardless if it's a chicken or not?

I don't understand why you are against cockfighting because it involves the "lives" of animals but enjoys eating a chicken meal.

There's no Science or Math there.
That's different buddy. Poultry chickens that are killed for human consumption every day are those that are reared and used for consumption. But a chicken to play cockfighting will become a carcass when the chicken dies, although you can still eat it. It's completely different.

Maybe you enjoy playing cockfighting, and there is a different feeling when you see the cocks betting, getting injured, and some even dying in the middle of the match. But I don't, and go ahead if you like it.
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December 20, 2022, 09:17:18 AM
Most of the games in which animals were involved were much connected to the tradition and culture. In the name of harming animals more and more activists come out against them. This shouldn't happen, because they're following what is being followed by the ancestors.
Maybe we all have to be aware and have to distinguish between tradition and culture, some adherents believe that cockfighting or similar animals are indeed considered as heirs of ancestors that must be fostered so that they are sustainable from generation to generation.

But as time goes by and technology has developed in remote villages many traditions and cultures have been eliminated such as hurting animals, they understand that this tradition is torturing animals.
I see in eliminating one tradition and culture such as cockfighting, the understanding is broken into two parts, one party is eliminated cockfighting the other party must be held.
What is clear is that law enforcement must come down to take a middle ground in this opinion, the decision of the rules, cocks may be fought as long as the weapons on their legs must be cut off or closed, if a weapon is found opened and not cut, a fine of 10X the amount of the bet placed, we are talking about a part of the country that does not prohibit gambling.
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December 20, 2022, 06:44:47 AM
Most of the games in which animals were involved were much connected to the tradition and culture. In the name of harming animals more and more activists come out against them. This shouldn't happen, because they're following what is being followed by the ancestors.

Cockfighting is part of a tradition in our country and must be respected just like any other culture/tradition wherein they kill animals like the ones I saw on YouTube where a certain country kills hundreds of dolphins and to think that dolphins are harder to reproduce than fighting birds, I mean they can go instinct if not controlled.

Now that cockfighting generates billions of pesos in our country, I don't think that this stop because some group of activists says so because by stopping this industry, many will starve.

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December 20, 2022, 05:34:06 AM
Most of the games in which animals were involved were much connected to the tradition and culture. In the name of harming animals more and more activists come out against them. This shouldn't happen, because they're following what is being followed by the ancestors.

We are thankful for these kinds of people who are making some changes and sacrificing their time and money to pursue these goals because if no one will ever step forward to do an action, they will forever mistreat animals as if nothing like a tool. PETA for example is one of the known organizations to help abused animals and other non-profit organizations as well.  But the problem for the others are they went way out of topic when they even push not to eat animals just because they cannot consume due to their lack of understanding, now they want people to follow them also which is not right because some of these livestock animals are meant to be eaten as well for us to consume.
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December 19, 2022, 10:21:06 PM
Most of the games in which animals were involved were much connected to the tradition and culture. In the name of harming animals more and more activists come out against them. This shouldn't happen, because they're following what is being followed by the ancestors.

I am against harming animals. But at the same time, I find a lot of hypocrisy in what these people (animal rights activists) say. They have no problem against large scale corporate agrobusinesses, where poultry and cattle are treated with utmost cruelty. And they always attack poor tribal or rural people who perform activities such as cock fight as a part of their culture. And although such activities cause the death of animals or birds, it also preserves rare breeds and species. Activists always try to paint a one-sided picture, which is far from reality.
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December 19, 2022, 06:49:14 PM
Most of the games in which animals were involved were much connected to the tradition and culture. In the name of harming animals more and more activists come out against them. This shouldn't happen, because they're following what is being followed by the ancestors.
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December 19, 2022, 06:47:55 PM
Each country does have their own culture when it comes to some aspects which it might really be looking bad into most peoples eyes but eventually these things are something turns out to be traditional.

Lets just respect on whats other views and activities in related to gambling.It might not really be that looking good or something in correlates with animal cruelty but since this do involves gamefowl
which are really that easy to breed and easy to be produced or something then it wont really be that much an issue.
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I disagree with this point of view strongly. I won't be brushing cruelty against animals under the mat because it's cultural thing. There are many things that you don't have to respect just because they are based on old ways. Many people in these countries don't respect them either. Some of these laws preventing animal cruelty would move forward faster when there would be a public outcry and these governments decide to step in as they care about their optics and tourism. Some injustices need to be talked about or otherwise they won't ever change.

Then what's your solution to stop all this mess? Can you do something to stop the cultural activities that are legal in a country?

Don't act like that as in a country where cock fight is legal and many people support it, it will just continue.

Rather than stress yourself on how to stop it, you can just easily and simply ignore it.
What I want to add in this aspect is that a norms or a culture that is been established buy a particular tribe or a particular country it will be very difficult before someone can abolish it, I am saying this due to her reaction over this cook fight we are emphasising on, so I believe that you should have your own norms and any country that have eight months like to follow it with a precaution that no one can change or alternate it.
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December 19, 2022, 06:44:15 PM
Each country does have their own culture when it comes to some aspects which it might really be looking bad into most peoples eyes but eventually these things are something turns out to be traditional.

Lets just respect on whats other views and activities in related to gambling.It might not really be that looking good or something in correlates with animal cruelty but since this do involves gamefowl
which are really that easy to breed and easy to be produced or something then it wont really be that much an issue.
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I disagree with this point of view strongly. I won't be brushing cruelty against animals under the mat because it's cultural thing. There are many things that you don't have to respect just because they are based on old ways. Many people in these countries don't respect them either. Some of these laws preventing animal cruelty would move forward faster when there would be a public outcry and these governments decide to step in as they care about their optics and tourism. Some injustices need to be talked about or otherwise they won't ever change.
Then what's your solution to stop all this mess? Can you do something to stop the cultural activities that are legal in a country?

Don't act like that as in a country where cock fight is legal and many people support it, it will just continue.

Rather than stress yourself on how to stop it, you can just easily and simply ignore it.
I don't see anything wrong with o48o's opinion as I think it is actually right. I also live in a country where cock fighting is too common, and a lot of people are involved on it however not because it's somehow a culture that goes way back and doesn't justify that it should be legal to make animals fight to the death. I know that we kill these chickens for our own consumption, but it should be done without unnecessary violence and cruelty.

I also, remember how Dog fights were common in a lot of countries including mine where there are even instances that dogs are used for our own consumption as well but right now, it is now illegal.


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