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November 01, 2013, 08:34:25 PM
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is the 5th dimension where all the cool kids are?
Only anybody and everybody who's ever existed.
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November 01, 2013, 08:33:29 PM
#46
Remember: there has never been a single fact, theory, or model that science has been able to prove beyond all doubt, and as long as the scientific method is utilized, this will remain the case forever.

Science can't prove shit.  Never has, never will.
I know enough to know that I know nothing at all.

I'm sorry, but I think that's a stupid thing to say.

Of course you know things in some context or another, and you even know things absolutely in some context or another.

You know you exist in the context of your experience.  If you don't, you're insane.  It's directly evident -- so evident, in fact, that you know this before you could even generate the electrical signal to generate the thought in your head that you know you exist.

Direct experience. i.e. a direct subject/object relationship begets absolute information (and thus, absolute knowledge) about that relational system.  It's there.  All you need to do is stop being insane and acknowledge it.

I'm honestly saying this respectfully, because I've said your exact words in the past...until I realized they were insane.

I don't know I exist and I don't even know if I'm sane.

Dude.  Just look at the sentence you formulated.  It's a pile of contradictory horseshit.

"I know enough" to know that "I know nothing at all."  Your conclusion?  Enough = nothing.  Is there some validity to this?  Yes.  But you don't start from that perspective to explain things. That's called condition-level logic.  You need to start with a higher logical vantage point and look down upon condition-level logic to see it clearly and explain it.

Consider the following:  We are 3-dimensional beings.  What do we know of the 2nd dimension?  Well, it's pretty easy to learn about it.  Our world is made up of literally an infinite number of 2-dimensional surfaces.  Length and width...wow...hard stuff.

But what about the 4th dimension?  This is a little bit trickier.  We can't see a 4-dimensional object, so how can we learn about one?  Well, we could draw a tesseract on a piece of paper!  This gives us some information about 4-dimensional objects.  How?  Because what we did is that we, as 3-dimensional beings, took conceptual, mathematical knowledge of 4-dimensional objects and quite literally thrust them into the 2nd dimension into a logical realm infinitely beneath our own.

In this way, it is possible to talk about the Universe in an absolutely true way using a set of hologrammatically similar languages.


nothing = enough

Like I said, there is some validity to this, but it's undeniable (and easy to prove) that absolute truth exists, and if "nothing = enough" is equatable to "absolute truth" then I think you gave up prematurely.  Most any person has all the tools they need to start looking for absolute truth right here, right now.  Absolute truth is like Bitcoin's cryptographic weaknesses in the sense that it's hidden in plain sight, but dislike Bitcoin's cryptographic weaknesses in that you can currently 'crack the code' using a specific method.
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November 01, 2013, 08:31:27 PM
#45
is the 5th dimension where all the cool kids are?
legendary
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November 01, 2013, 08:31:23 PM
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people think i'm insane because I hear voices and see things that they can't see and vice versa.  Maybe I'm just one of the few sane people left.

In many Amazonian tribal cultures (and likely others as well), those who see things and hear voices are recognized at youth for their unique abilities and are taught how to accept, manage, and learn from those experiences.  These people often become village leaders or "shamans" that provide spiritual and even botanical/medicinal knowledge for the tribe.

Yeah, that's why the have such great medical care, low infant mortality rate, no cancer, they haven't almost got extinct when Europeans arrived there...
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November 01, 2013, 08:29:42 PM
#43
But step it up a notch to the 5th dimension.
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November 01, 2013, 08:29:14 PM
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Yea, I love being "insane." It feels like its just extra information that you normally wouldn't have access to.  But, It might be distracting me from important stuff. who knows? as long as i'm functional and happy I embrace it.
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November 01, 2013, 08:26:37 PM
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Even Einstein was wrong sometimes.
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November 01, 2013, 08:26:29 PM
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people think i'm insane because I hear voices and see things that they can't see and vice versa.  Maybe I'm just one of the few sane people left.

In many Amazonian tribal cultures (and likely others as well), those who see things and hear voices are recognized at youth for their unique abilities and are taught how to accept, manage, and learn from those experiences.  These people often become village leaders or "shamans" that provide spiritual and even botanical/medicinal knowledge for the tribe.
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November 01, 2013, 08:23:51 PM
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anyways. its not my quote. its Einstein who said that.  The concept is hard to explain and I don't understand it.
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November 01, 2013, 08:22:23 PM
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But what about the 4th dimension?  This is a little bit trickier.  We can't see a 4-dimensional object, so how can we learn about one?  Well, we could draw a tesseract on a piece of paper!  This gives us some information about 4-dimensional objects.  How?  Because what we did is that we, as 3-dimensional beings, took conceptual, mathematical knowledge of 4-dimensional objects and quite literally thrust them into the 2nd dimension into a logical realm infinitely beneath our own.

The 4th dimension is time.

To pinpoint a spot in space time you need 4 parameters.  Longitude, Latitude, Altitude and time.  

You can see a 4th dimensional object simply by looking at it.  You can record it by taking a picture, but no two pictures will be the same.
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November 01, 2013, 08:21:25 PM
#37
Remember: there has never been a single fact, theory, or model that science has been able to prove beyond all doubt, and as long as the scientific method is utilized, this will remain the case forever.

Science can't prove shit.  Never has, never will.
I know enough to know that I know nothing at all.

I'm sorry, but I think that's a stupid thing to say.

Of course you know things in some context or another, and you even know things absolutely in some context or another.

You know you exist in the context of your experience.  If you don't, you're insane.  It's directly evident -- so evident, in fact, that you know this before you could even generate the electrical signal to generate the thought in your head that you know you exist.

Direct experience. i.e. a direct subject/object relationship begets absolute information (and thus, absolute knowledge) about that relational system.  It's there.  All you need to do is stop being insane and acknowledge it.

I'm honestly saying this respectfully, because I've said your exact words in the past...until I realized they were insane.

I don't know I exist and I don't even know if I'm sane.

Dude.  Just look at the sentence you formulated.  It's a pile of contradictory horseshit.

"I know enough" to know that "I know nothing at all."  Your conclusion?  Enough = nothing.  Is there some validity to this?  Yes.  But you don't start from that perspective to explain things. That's called condition-level logic.  You need to start with a higher logical vantage point and look down upon condition-level logic to see it clearly and explain it.

Consider the following:  We are 3-dimensional beings.  What do we know of the 2nd dimension?  Well, it's pretty easy to learn about it.  Our world is made up of literally an infinite number of 2-dimensional surfaces.  Length and width...wow...hard stuff.

But what about the 4th dimension?  This is a little bit trickier.  We can't see a 4-dimensional object, so how can we learn about one?  Well, we could draw a tesseract on a piece of paper!  This gives us some information about 4-dimensional objects.  How?  Because what we did is that we, as 3-dimensional beings, took conceptual, mathematical knowledge of 4-dimensional objects and quite literally thrust them into the 2nd dimension into a logical realm infinitely beneath our own.

In this way, it is possible to talk about the Universe in an absolutely true way using a set of hologrammatically similar languages.


nothing = enough
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November 01, 2013, 08:19:19 PM
#36
Remember: there has never been a single fact, theory, or model that science has been able to prove beyond all doubt, and as long as the scientific method is utilized, this will remain the case forever.

Science can't prove shit.  Never has, never will.
I know enough to know that I know nothing at all.

I'm sorry, but I think that's a stupid thing to say.

Of course you know things in some context or another, and you even know things absolutely in some context or another.

You know you exist in the context of your experience.  If you don't, you're insane.  It's directly evident -- so evident, in fact, that you know this before you could even generate the electrical signal to generate the thought in your head that you know you exist.

Direct experience. i.e. a direct subject/object relationship begets absolute information (and thus, absolute knowledge) about that relational system.  It's there.  All you need to do is stop being insane and acknowledge it.

I'm honestly saying this respectfully, because I've said your exact words in the past...until I realized they were insane.

I don't know I exist and I don't even know if I'm sane.

Dude.  Just look at the sentence you formulated.  It's a pile of contradictory horseshit.

"I know enough" to know that "I know nothing at all."  Your conclusion?  Enough = nothing.  Is there some validity to this?  Yes.  But you don't start from that perspective to explain things. That's called condition-level logic.  You need to start with a higher logical vantage point and look down upon condition-level logic to see it clearly and explain it.

Consider the following:  We are 3-dimensional beings.  What do we know of the 2nd dimension?  Well, it's pretty easy to learn about it.  Our world is made up of literally an infinite number of 2-dimensional surfaces.  Length and width...wow...hard stuff.

But what about the 4th dimension?  This is a little bit trickier.  We can't see a 4-dimensional object, so how can we learn about one?  Well, we could draw a tesseract on a piece of paper!  This gives us some information about 4-dimensional objects.  How?  Because what we did is that we, as 3-dimensional beings, took conceptual, mathematical knowledge of 4-dimensional objects and quite literally thrust them into the 2nd dimension into a logical realm infinitely beneath our own.

In this way, it is possible to talk about the Universe in an absolutely true way using a set of hologrammatically similar languages.

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November 01, 2013, 08:17:06 PM
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I'm 100% sure god exists. Maybe just in my head, but i've been decoding the way he communicates and I've had some really good insight from it.  For example, I guessed someones phone number through calling random numbers and decoding the conversations and shapes and colors I see and translated it to numbers. I kept getting closer and closer and eventually I cracked the code.  Sounds like bullshit, but so does any form of communication with God or the dead or whatever it is.
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November 01, 2013, 08:11:12 PM
#34
And you don't believe in god?!
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November 01, 2013, 08:08:54 PM
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people think i'm insane because I hear voices and see things that they can't see and vice versa.  Maybe I'm just one of the few sane people left.
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November 01, 2013, 08:05:29 PM
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the concept that is
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November 01, 2013, 08:05:15 PM
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This is the fundamental flaw with the idea of God. You cannot explain complexity by invoking prior complexity.  Ask yourself if you think God is as least as complex as the universe. If you consider this to be true then you have moved the problem of where did complexity come from - and in fact, made the problem far harder because you now have monolithic complexity to explain. Complexity arising from self-organizing processes acting upon smaller units is seen throughout nature and has been performed experimentally.  The real question is "How did the super-compressed ball of energy originate?


Richard Dawkings to the rescue! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Boeing_747_gambit
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November 01, 2013, 08:03:53 PM
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I find sanity insane
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November 01, 2013, 08:03:08 PM
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We created God and he made us do it.

God : Universe :: Man : Thoughts
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November 01, 2013, 08:02:54 PM
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Remember: there has never been a single fact, theory, or model that science has been able to prove beyond all doubt, and as long as the scientific method is utilized, this will remain the case forever.

Science can't prove shit.  Never has, never will.
I know enough to know that I know nothing at all.

I'm sorry, but I think that's a stupid thing to say.

Of course you know things in some context or another, and you even know things absolutely in some context or another.

You know you exist in the context of your experience.  If you don't, you're insane.  It's directly evident -- so evident, in fact, that you know this before you could even generate the electrical signal to generate the thought in your head that you know you exist.

Direct experience. i.e. a direct subject/object relationship begets absolute information (and thus, absolute knowledge) about that relational system.  It's there.  All you need to do is stop being insane and acknowledge it.

I'm honestly saying this respectfully, because I've said your exact words in the past...until I realized they were insane.

I don't know I exist and I don't even know if I'm sane.
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