Topic: Concept of Halal Casino (Read 1101 times)

Yes, there would never be a Halal casino is Islam. Those who watched the video knows that he is explaining things a bit differently.

Anyway, we have had enough of the discussion on this and by now everyone has clear their thoughts about it.

I am locking this topic now.

I guess you are right. I have heard that Iblish (The evil) cannot go outside during Ramadan. Iblis is the evil who encourages humans to do wrong things. Then why do people do bad things during Ramadan? The Iblis is locked; who encourages them to do bad things? Actually, Humans are already one step ahead of the evil spirit. I can relate to what you mean, and I agree with that.


Precisely, this is what I tried to explain in my previous post. The banks cannot run without taking interest as it's the main income source of banks. If someone drinks alcohol, saying it's Islamic alcohol, it won't become halal for Muslims. Practicing Muslims should avoid taking and giving interest if they care about it.

Nowadays, I think the evil spirit is even confused with what Muslims are doing.. lol  . They are looking for halal food in casinos. They are saying they are going to build halal casinos when they clearly know that interest/usury/riba is strictly prohibited in Islam. I understand what Mufti Menk was saying. Just because if a person is committing a sin does not mean that he can commit any sin that he likes at that particular time. This is happening because most teams have gone away from their holy book.

Let’s be honest, even though banks who call themselves, Islamic banks or Islami bank etc are not out of usury/interest. The economy of the whole world runs on interest-rate now. One of the most powerful countries in the world, America is built on interest and they are running the world now. So how do you think any bank can call themselves Islami bank right now?

If banks do not charge interest on loans, the complete banking sector will be destroyed. How they will make money without charging interest on loans? The transaction fees, account maintenance fees and other fees are not enough money to run a bank because the expense of a bank is huge. Their main income comes from loan interest.

No matter what Islami banks or Sharia banks say, they are charging money for the loan which is interest. They don't call it interest directly. They named it as service charge which is interest. I hope you understand my point. Anyways, this thread is about Halal casino which is impossible.

A Shariah-compliant bank doesn't issue interest-based loans to its customers, because as you said, taking interest is prohibited in Islam. If a bank calls themselves to be Shariah-compliant and is still dealing in interest through loans,, they are big liars, and someone who practices religion and doesn't want to get involved should never use such a bank or take a loan from them because it is not just about the words but it is all about the actions that are taken.

So, someone who follows Islam religion and also want to take a loan from a bank, they need to make sure that they find a bank that gives them an interest-free loan where once they repay the whole amount, they are free from the loan and would not be asked to pay anything extra on top of that.

You are absolutely right haram can never be halal, we know that gambling and making money from staking is completely haram in the eyes of Islam. In every religion everyone sees bad deeds as haram, gambling is never halal, if any Huzur or Maulana says it is halal then it is completely wrong. Earnings from gambling are always haram if a person considers it haram then surely it will be a wrong decision for that person. I have also played such gambling many times lost bet win from there, but I will never call this gambling halal, always haram. But I will say that people who consider this gambling as halal can never be a good person because people who don't know about halal and haram can never make good decisions in future. Even if he donates the money he earns from gambling to a good cause, that money is considered haram.

True. Haram is Haram. No matter what some Mufti or Alim say. It's not true that Muslims won't approach Haram. There are millions of Muslims earning Haram income and spending them in Haram place as well. Every Muslims does not care about Halal and Haram. Only Practicing Muslims care about Halal and Haram. For example, I am a Muslim and sometimes I gamble as well. Money won from gambling is Haram. yet sometimes I do it. No matter whatever excuse I give, those money are Haram and yet I am doing it. It's a sin in my religion. I always promise myself that I won't repeat these things but I end up doing it. Even though I am doing it, I won't say it's Halal. Because Haram is Haram. 

Something that is haram is haram. Nothing can change it. And those who already know that it is haram will not approach it. But until now, many people still gamble, and they have their own reasons. We cannot prevent them from continuing to gamble even though it is clear in religion that gambling is haram or prohibited because they do it without coercion.

But for anyone who has sinned, he is still allowed to do good. Those who have committed sins must repent and not repeat sins, even though some still repeat other sins. And no perfect human can be clean from sin, and that is why we humans are required to repent to cleanse the sins we have committed.

Why are you guys making assumptions from your own side without even watching the video? The thumbnail that you see on YouTube videos doesn't always show what the content is about and how that thumbnail is related to the concept being discussed within the video. You my friend didn't watch the video and I can clearly see that by reading your post because if you had spent about 2 to 3 minutes watching the video, you would understand what it is all about.

OP here asked a question related to the video that he shared which doesn't mean that he is saying there is such a concept in Islam, and if you watch the video, that scholar called Mufti Menk is explaining something else and he never said that there are halal casinos or there is halal gambling is Islam.

You are right, I am also a Muslim and taking interest is forbidden in Islam according to Sharia. Some scholars argue that Islamic banks are halal. How can this be, I don't believe it, well, how is Islami Bank surviving? Of course, they receive interest on loans. According to some scholars, some people consider it halal to earn interest by keeping money in Islamic banks. Islamic banks, however, give interest on a certain amount of money. Islami bank is haram even if it is named according to Shariah.

Haram is haram. There is no other excuse. Taking interest in return for the money lent is not allowed. No matter what Sharia bank or Islami bank calls it. Most of them call it as service charge, or whatever, it's haram. I am Muslim myself and I know it's Haram. If some bullies me because of that, I will take that. In case they can teach me something new.

If someone open a bar a of vodka in the name of Islam, it won't become halam vodka. If people say Bismillah before they drink vodka, it won't become a halal drink. Real practicing Muslims won't debate regarding these things. They will say I said what I had to. No need to spread Fitna.

Gambling is still gambling and it is haram, someone who gambles certainly has consequences against God. They know it's a sin (including me). There is nothing contradictory, We are adults, have our own minds, break God's rules, follow God's rules or whatever. That is the way of life a person chooses. I think this will be OOT, so I will make it simple, there is nothing to explains, I have own reason why I'm doing that. 

Yep many people are always get attracted with something stupid or don't make sense stuff, either it's a supporter or hater, it doesn't matter because they will make money as long as they watch the videos.

So what's the conclusion?

I get what you're saying, gambling is haram, but you as someone who know gambling is haram still gamble and you think it's not right. Why? it's like contradict about your belief and your action.

I tried watching the video for a few moments, and the conclusion I came to was that he was not introducing Halal Casinos or saying that Casinos could be labeled halal if they complied with the rules of the Islamic religion, The title of the video only attracted gamblers to draw the wrong conclusion if didn't watch the video.
The cleric in the video (perhaps he could be called that) is explaining that when we commit a sin such as gambling at a casino, it doesn't mean we have to be involved in other sins such as eating haram food or not praying as required.
Congratulations, the title of the video has made many people interested in watching it, but actually the title and explanation are not appropriate in my opinion and this is normal because YouTubers often do that to get more attention for their content.

Maybe my knowledge is too low, but what I know, ^CMIIW, Casinos are places, all places can be visited by Muslims, but gambling is an action, this action is forbidden (haram). You can come to church as a Muslim, but you cannot join in worship following what Christians do because doing this, is haram. Likewise with the casino. Because a casino is a place, Muslims can come, but they cannot gamble that is the fact. Once again, a lot of Muslims also doing gambling, even me have an experience with gambling. However, using the word Halal makes people think that this is a blasphemy against Islam. For me, that's not right, we don't know what it really means (the reason casino owner using Halal name). Using the word Halal for the wrong thing, that's why I said that I myself do not agree with the use of that word.

No need to find a halal casino if someone want to gamble, a normal casino is same. After all it's back to your belief and what you think is right, if you think gambling is haram, just avoid to gamble.

Not really, conventional bank is haram in Islam, but if the bank is using Islamic name e.g. sharia and then they claimed to not offering interest rate, actually it's legal. Do you want to say Sharia bank is haram? you will get mocked and bullied by Muslims

If you see any business started with the name of religion and their religion forbids it, it's 100% scam. They are just using the name of the religion to get attention and misguide people. The halal casino is not possible, nor the video mentioned in the OP is about the halal casinos. The title is 100% misleading, and I requested OP to change it in my previous post.

They might use the name as Halal casino so they can attract Muslims to play in their casino. The Truth is it's Haram in Islam and practicing Mulism won't play there because if someone do business with the name of their religion, it's a trap.

Yes, they try various interesting concepts that make ordinary people think it is valid for every religion. If they wanted to think about it, they would find that it is still haram for their religion and should not try it. Often, people's understanding is twisted incoherently to confuse them about what their religion teaches, which has been happening for a long time. And this is what makes many people of the same religion often have different opinions because they get this knowledge from different people.

People should do what you say to know that gambling is prohibited in their religion and that they will not want to go near gambling. But, because there are differences in understanding, many people cannot think clearly because they have received a lot of information that may not be correct.

If they can stay within their limits, that is very good because they will not exceed their limits just because they want to chase victory and can control their gambling activities well. But that happens because we can only judge what we see without knowing what is implied, which often becomes a misunderstanding and causes us to be in trouble. We make things more complicated because there are many considerations in our minds.

Yes, life is also a gambling or game of chance. But some people might reject it if someone said something like that because they feel they are struggling hard to get through every journey in life. And that's true. We also can't immediately blame people who think like that because maybe they have different thoughts from us. We can only get through each day well and try to be better. And that's what we are, humans.

Yes brother I have seen the video but I have posted solely on my own. I am not discouraging others nor preventing anyone from doing good. I honestly respect others and I respect their opinions.

But as a Muslim, I must say what I believe, when it comes to my religion. If one of my brother makes a sin or mistake it is my duty to correct him. Yes nobody is free of sin, even I. But I try to be as good as possible.

As the Mufti said, It's about the first step. Even if you are not entirely correct you are somehow correct. And with time you will get there. May one day In Sha Allah we get there.  

It is true that we as Muslims constantly commit sins worse than gambling and we do not care about those sins. Just as praying five times as a Muslim is obligatory, if we miss any prayer without reason, then we have committed a serious sin. So I promise not to commit all those major sins without looking at gambling.