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Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 26, 2023, 10:27:55 PM

I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk

Is there any concept of Halal Casino Huh

By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

Gambling is against one of the very core beliefs of Islam, so there is no way that this is going to survive for a long time. Just like trying to setup an operation in China, the government might decide to stamp this out at any point and you will lose any deposited money, so beware of putting anything into it. Not only that, but judging by how aggressive certain sections of Muslims can be, the owner is likely to be targeted for such "blasphemous" behavior in future and will also use that point to vanish with your money. A fatwa is basically a government decision in this country, but will be susceptible to cancellation. Zimbabwe is a poor and struggling country, so any opportunity they have to seize money from "non believers" will be taken.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on September 04, 2023, 11:24:43 AM

If I'm not mistaken, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, isn't gambling itself considered haram in Islam? So how are they going to present a halal casino when the very concept of a casino is to offer gambling services? I couldn't wrap my head around the concept. If they are just offering a prayer place inside the casino premises, isn't that spitting at the face of this holy religion that people all over the world are following? It's an equivalent of blasphemy in christianity if you'll ask me since it's defiling the very symbol/concept of your religion. Plus there's no way this isn't already getting enough flak from the devout Muslim community considering how dedicated they are at following their teachings, to introduce something so radical and nonsensical even is a little over to them if I'm going to be honest.

It is marketing after all. So everything is possible for the sake of getting people into the World of Gambling and Sportbetting.

Just think about it, Islam is one of the biggest religions on the planet, which would mean an important percentage of potential clients and gamblers are kept outside casino by their personal belief, if someone managed to reform the teachings of their religion somehow so allow people to wager money,.it would translate into billions of dollars in revenue from Muslim people alone, I am not saying it is a good or bad thing, by the way, just stating what probable some casino owners in Asia and the middle East think of.

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This all seems very strange. I have seen so-called muslims attempting to justify haram actions, like drinking alcohol, through loopholes and with poetic wording. And it is obvious that they are not really holding themselves to their religion but are making excuses. But those kinds of "muslims" are rather rare. The promotion of a Halal Casino seems like a next step to that. Why anyone would waste time trying to market something to a specific audience which, in the majority, is not interested in that thing in the first place? Not only a counter productive failed marketing attempt but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

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If I'm not mistaken, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, isn't gambling itself considered haram in Islam? So how are they going to present a halal casino when the very concept of a casino is to offer gambling services? I couldn't wrap my head around the concept. If they are just offering a prayer place inside the casino premises, isn't that spitting at the face of this holy religion that people all over the world are following? It's an equivalent of blasphemy in christianity if you'll ask me since it's defiling the very symbol/concept of your religion. Plus there's no way this isn't already getting enough flak from the devout Muslim community considering how dedicated they are at following their teachings, to introduce something so radical and nonsensical even is a little over to them if I'm going to be honest.

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The concept is explained as "in a casino, a gambler can still pray, they provide a place of worship for Muslims who gamble. That is, this concept is not the concept of a halal casino. But, it only provides prayer facilities for a Muslim. Well, if that's just a concept in the building , it's fine, as advertising, but it might hurt Muslim people who don't like gambling.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on September 04, 2023, 09:54:37 AM

Quote from: uneng on September 04, 2023, 09:45:15 AM

The message of the video is simple: just because you are involved with one sin, by the rules of their religion, it doesn't mean you should forget about everything and surrender yourself to another sins. Walk one step at a time. If you aren't able to get rid of a sin right now, just be careful to not add more sins to your daily life. If you are able to maintain just one it's progress already, although it can still get better, until you completely eliminate all of them.

That is what the preacher meant. You may be a gambler and even though it's against your religion, it doesn't mean you should stop praying and praising God. God knows our failures and imperfections, but He still love us and believe in our potential of becoming better human beings.

But that also does not mean that you start believing that this one sin (in this case gambling) is right to do and you find yourself in such a situation where your heart and mind feel satisfied that since you are doing many other good deeds, this one sin can be done and there will be no questioning about it.

This message can taken in both directions if you do one sin, then it should not stop you from doing other good things but at the same time if you are doing many good things. you should not use it as an excuse to commit a few sins, knowing that these are not allowed in your religion.

well, how you will live your life depends on what you truly believe in life. you may have your religion as your guide and assist what would you classify as a sin or not, but it is still up to you how you will apply it in your everyday life.
so committing one sin doesn't mean you are not a follower of your religion. as a human, you are prone to committing mistakes. and you can make amends with such mistakes or sin as you called it, by following some rituals that you think can salvage you depending on your beliefs. just accept the fact that no human is perfect to live on this planet. and it is up to you how you interpret things and live a meaningful life.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 04, 2023, 05:07:20 AM

Quote from: elevates on September 03, 2023, 05:06:58 AM

How do you know that those who follow Islam do not commit haram? I know a few friends who follow Islam do gamble and occasionally consume alcohol. Not everyone in Islam follows it truly. They do it in hiding and they don't regret their doing. That is one such reality which many Muslims might ignore here. The word casino itself is haram, if someone wants to disguise it as halal then it is the choice of those following the religion to either allow it or ignore it. In general such stupidity cannot be ignored and those preaching it cannot justify the reality.

They should not do anything haram. But they are humans and no human is perfect. That makes many of them still do haram things. But I think all adherents of Islam know what is halal and what is haram, although some of them still do things that are haram. It's the same with other religious people. They know that alcohol and other things are haram or shouldn't be consumed or done, but why do they still do it? All religions teach good and bad, but humans abuse it, giving us problems. So the concept of halal and haram here is clear but we determine it.

The best way to have the right idea to respond to this question is by first of all watching the video to see what the video is all about and, Islamic scholars i beginning to dive into a different new level of teaching which is going to be very interesting, since some of them are already questioning to old status quo, and if you must know why some religion followers default in they practice some time is because of how malicious those rules are and how they religion interpret it, but more also what have influenced alot of things also is the changing in societal perspectives.

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Quote from: uneng on September 04, 2023, 09:45:15 AM

The message of the video is simple: just because you are involved with one sin, by the rules of their religion, it doesn't mean you should forget about everything and surrender yourself to another sins. Walk one step at a time. If you aren't able to get rid of a sin right now, just be careful to not add more sins to your daily life. If you are able to maintain just one it's progress already, although it can still get better, until you completely eliminate all of them.

That is what the preacher meant. You may be a gambler and even though it's against your religion, it doesn't mean you should stop praying and praising God. God knows our failures and imperfections, but He still love us and believe in our potential of becoming better human beings.

But that also does not mean that you start believing that this one sin (in this case gambling) is right to do and you find yourself in such a situation where your heart and mind feel satisfied that since you are doing many other good deeds, this one sin can be done and there will be no questioning about it.

This message can taken in both directions if you do one sin, then it should not stop you from doing other good things but at the same time if you are doing many good things. you should not use it as an excuse to commit a few sins, knowing that these are not allowed in your religion.

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The message of the video is simple: just because you are involved with one sin, by the rules of their religion, it doesn't mean you should forget about everything and surrender yourself to another sins. Walk one step at a time. If you aren't able to get rid of a sin right now, just be careful to not add more sins to your daily life. If you are able to maintain just one it's progress already, although it can still get better, until you completely eliminate all of them.

That is what the preacher meant. You may be a gambler and even though it's against your religion, it doesn't mean you should stop praying and praising God. God knows our failures and imperfections, but He still love us and believe in our potential of becoming better human beings.

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Quote from: Eureka_07 on September 03, 2023, 09:42:33 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 26, 2023, 10:27:55 PM

I am not a Muslim myself, but to the best of my knowledge, based on their Qur'an, gambling is considered a sin. Consequently, it is generally expected that Muslims should refrain from engaging in it. Muslims are renowned for their strong religious beliefs and typically follow the teachings of the Qur'an closely. Given this, I believe that the concept of a 'Halal casino' would likely encounter significant opposition from the Muslim community.

Gambling is not halal in islam all forms of gambling are illegal in Islam everything derived from gambling is haram. Therefore, as a Muslim it is necessary to stay away from all forms of gambling. Gambling is described in the Qur'an as an abomination and the work of satan. It has been ordered to stay away from them. Enmity and hatred are created through gambling. In addition through these satan diverts people from prayer and remembrance of Allah.

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Quote from: elevates on September 03, 2023, 05:06:58 AM

How do you know that those who follow Islam do not commit haram. I know a few friends who follow Islam do gamble and occasionally consume alcohol. Not everyone in Islam follows it truly. They do it in hiding and they don't regret their doing. That is one such reality which many Muslim might ignore here. The word casino itself is haram, if someone wants to disguise it as halal then it is the choice of those following the religion to either allow it or ignore it. In general such stupidity cannot be ignored and those preaching it cannot justify the reality.

They should not do anything haram. But they are humans and no human is perfect. That makes many of them still do haram things. But I think all adherents of Islam know what is halal and what is haram, although some of them still do things that are haram. It's the same with other religious people. They know that alcohol and other things are haram or shouldn't be consumed or done, but why do they still do it? All religions teach good and bad, but humans abuse it, giving us problems. So the concept of halal and haram here is clear but we determine it.

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Quote from: Eureka_07 on September 03, 2023, 09:42:33 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 26, 2023, 10:27:55 PM

I am not a Muslim myself, but to the best of my knowledge, based on their Qur'an, gambling is considered a sin. Consequently, it is generally expected that Muslims should refrain from engaging in it. Muslims are renowned for their strong religious beliefs and typically follow the teachings of the Qur'an closely. Given this, I believe that the concept of a 'Halal casino' would likely encounter significant opposition from the Muslim community.

and that is why i really respect their Qur'an because of their true value in terms of gambling
and also this will save Muslim's around the world from addiction and losses.
while other religion is suffering from addicted gambling members and theirs are safer.

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Well, if something goes too deep with this then it is not surprising. It's better not to practice or touch or get into the boundaries of beliefs that are against gambling and religion.

But as what others have said, this is not for real and the video maker did a good job for making everyone curious if there's one really in existence and as well as with the help of OP.

I wonder if something like that exists for real, will the leaders of the Islam will sue the developers of it.

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Quote from: bettercrypto on September 03, 2023, 01:52:29 AM

It seems to be part of their marketing strategy, it's like a trick that is not directly like that, but the result will be gambling in the end. If that's the case, it can be said that the strategy they came up with is good, in my opinion.

The title might be only a click bait strategy in getting more viewers. It's a common thing to see that someone who puts controversial title to attack others to watch his video.

I have stopped to watch it since the video is not related to the click bait title used by the creator of this video.

The concept of halal casino is just a clickbait. Nothing more than it.

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Quote from: Eureka_07 on September 03, 2023, 09:42:33 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 26, 2023, 10:27:55 PM

I am not a Muslim myself, but to the best of my knowledge, based on their Qur'an, gambling is considered a sin. Consequently, it is generally expected that Muslims should refrain from engaging in it. Muslims are renowned for their strong religious beliefs and typically follow the teachings of the Qur'an closely. Given this, I believe that the concept of a 'Halal casino' would likely encounter significant opposition from the Muslim community.

It will really have strong opposition to those who do not gamble in the casino. But for those who are frequent visitor of a casino, this concept is a good deal for them, since they don't have to worry about where to get their food and the place for prayers when it is time for their daily prayers.

The proposition of this idea simply tells that not all Muslims follow all their Islamic belief same goes for Christians and other religions. However I agree that a casino will never be Halal as long as the Islamic teaching sees gambling as haram. But many businessmen want to exploit this kind of loophole (stated in the video) and create a twisted idea that can confuse those who has a weaker understanding of the religion's teachings.

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Quote from: salad daging on September 03, 2023, 03:02:11 PM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on September 03, 2023, 08:51:35 AM

Gambling is always haram in Islam, there's no excuse to say gambling is halal, period.

You are right. Cheesy

Quote from: Jawhead999 on September 03, 2023, 08:51:35 AM

It means they're not a real Muslim, but they're get pressured by their parent to join Islam religion. A real Muslim will never have a boyfriend or girlfriend, but most of them broke this rule. Gambling? alcohol? having sex? those are normal except eating a pork, that's completely HARAM Tongue

I want to laugh at this, but there's also some truth to what I feel in my own area. Lol

The majority here are Muslims
People dating? There is
People gambling and drinking alcohol? That's a lot
Having sex and getting pregnant out of wedlock? There are

When an artist eats pork, it's Haram and he's on the news and in jail.

Pressured by their parents to join Islam? There is no way you can be a Christian when you're born in a Muslim country. Religion is the basis of the kids' traits of course they will teach Islaam to their kids. Same with Christian parents teaching their kids of Jesus' teachings.

But gambling being Haram is normal to Muslims. It's what they teach for their kids to grow up not having to play their fate on games. Whether they play casino in hiding, it's their business though. Pretty sure they gamble too but not in close doors.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on September 03, 2023, 08:51:35 AM

Gambling is always haram in Islam, there's no excuse to say gambling is halal, period.

You are right. Cheesy

Quote from: Jawhead999 on September 03, 2023, 08:51:35 AM

It means they're not a real Muslim, but they're get pressured by their parent to join Islam religion. A real Muslim will never have a boyfriend or girlfriend, but most of them broke this rule. Gambling? alcohol? having sex? those are normal except eating a pork, that's completely HARAM Tongue

I want to laugh at this, but there's also some truth to what I feel in my own area. Lol

The majority here are Muslims
People dating? There is
People gambling and drinking alcohol? That's a lot
Having sex and getting pregnant out of wedlock? There are

When an artist eats pork, it's Haram and he's on the news and in jail.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 26, 2023, 10:27:55 PM

I am not a Muslim myself, but to the best of my knowledge, based on their Qur'an, gambling is considered a sin. Consequently, it is generally expected that Muslims should refrain from engaging in it. Muslims are renowned for their strong religious beliefs and typically follow the teachings of the Qur'an closely. Given this, I believe that the concept of a 'Halal casino' would likely encounter significant opposition from the Muslim community.

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Gambling is always haram in Islam, there's no excuse to say gambling is halal, period.

Quote from: elevates on September 03, 2023, 05:06:58 AM

How do you know that those who follow Islam do not commit haram. I know a few friends who follow Islam do gamble and occasionally consume alcohol. Not everyone in Islam follows it truly. They do it in hiding and they don't regret their doing. That is one such reality which many Muslim might ignore here. The word casino itself is haram, if someone wants to disguise it as halal then it is the choice of those following the religion to either allow it or ignore it. In general such stupidity cannot be ignored and those preaching it cannot justify the reality.

It means they're not a real Muslim, but they're get pressured by their parent to join Islam religion. A real Muslim will never have a boyfriend or girlfriend, but most of them broke this rule. Gambling? alcohol? having sex? those are normal except eating a pork, that's completely HARAM Tongue

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 03, 2023, 03:19:15 AM

The Muslim community will not go near gambling, let alone enter a casino. Whatever is in the casino environment, meaning inside the casino, will probably never be visited by Muslim people. They know that if they enter the casino, even if it's on the lower floor, they can easily be tempted and will end up seeing what's on the top floor where the casino is.

Their strategy is good but won't work for the Muslim community because they already understand the difference between Halal and Haram. They will never approach something like Haram just because of strategy or whatever. So the video won't get any response from people who already understand.

How do you know that those who follow Islam do not commit haram. I know a few friends who follow Islam do gamble and occasionally consume alcohol. Not everyone in Islam follows it truly. They do it in hiding and they don't regret their doing. That is one such reality which many Muslim might ignore here. The word casino itself is haram, if someone wants to disguise it as halal then it is the choice of those following the religion to either allow it or ignore it. In general such stupidity cannot be ignored and those preaching it cannot justify the reality.

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