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Quote from: pawanjain on September 07, 2023, 11:27:48 AM

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on September 04, 2023, 11:31:11 AM

/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

Very well said mate. The fact is that there are many people who portrays certain quotes from their religion and convey it's meaning in a different form.
They completely change the actual meaning behind the context of the quote and interpret wrong information for their own benefits.
As mentioned in the video in OP, one sin shouldn't be the gateway to other sins. People should educate themselves and understand what their religion truly convey.
Each religion has it's own beauty and beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

Religion and personal beliefs should be separrated from this activity. Most of the people here in this industry belongs to a religion and culture but why are we still here if the concept itself of gambling is in contrast with the teachings of a religion? Simply because we are not linking these two concepts and which is why words associated to a religion should not also be mentioned in any way especially for personal gain 'coz you are simply fooling yourself and making fun of other's tradition and culture. Let gambling be gambling, that's it and no other colors of polictics and religious beliefs.

For sure few people would only fall in this scheme. Also, they should be sensitive enough to know it in a single glance. Let us not make the inage of this industry worse.

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Quote from: Maslate on September 05, 2023, 06:51:54 AM

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on September 04, 2023, 11:31:11 AM

/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

Very well said mate. The fact is that there are many people who portrays certain quotes from their religion and convey it's meaning in a different form.
They completely change the actual meaning behind the context of the quote and interpret wrong information for their own benefits.
As mentioned in the video in OP, one sin shouldn't be the gateway to other sins. People should educate themselves and understand what their religion truly convey.
Each religion has it's own beauty and beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 26, 2023, 10:27:55 PM

I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk
Is there any concept of Halal Casino Huh

By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

Casino is casino it is always haram for muslims. Casino is a form of gambling and Muslim religion never considers gambling as halal. I don't know how he calls casino halal and how he found halal casino. They seem like complete scams. I am really shocked by this Huh

From what I know of Islam I would never believe that casinos could ever be halal

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Quote from: Maslate on September 05, 2023, 06:51:54 AM

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on September 04, 2023, 11:31:11 AM

/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

I think that what is not allowed is bit dependent on interpretation. I not a Muslim either but it would seem that anything that is not specifically forbidden or "frowned upon" is subject to whatever the religious branch or group decides and that decision is mostly taken by the religious leaders that are trusted in that community or somehow are legally in power which may not be the same.

Gambling is one of those things that could be from banned to actually being ok as "God" may "bless with luck his chosen".

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Quote from: Maslate on September 05, 2023, 06:51:54 AM

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on September 04, 2023, 11:31:11 AM

/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

We cannot change our religious views towards something that is wrong and then becomes justified. if it is wrong in religious law, then it will still be wrong.
the problem is the religious level of each person is different. those who understand well the laws of their religion that regulate gambling as a wrong activity, then they will definitely avoid it.
but for those who have a less good religious understanding. may still be making justifications regarding gambling activity. All we have to ask ourselves. and we will find the answer that we have to do.

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Quote from: Reatim on September 06, 2023, 04:00:26 AM

Quote from: masulum on September 04, 2023, 11:10:59 AM

The concept is explained as "in a casino, a gambler can still pray, they provide a place of worship for Muslims who gamble. That is, this concept is not the concept of a halal casino. But, it only provides prayer facilities for a Muslim. Well, if that's just a concept in the building , it's fine, as advertising, but it might hurt Muslim people who don't like gambling.

isn't same concept as what they try to elaborate ? is it our Muslim Brother who are in by chance is in questioned here.
because if the casino has a muslim gambler then it is the topic that they have provided a place to pray.
and yes if it is prohibited or not?
but anyway , I respect every Muslim brothers, and support their stand and belief in life.

Still no sense at all if they pray and still commit a sin after they play on a what so called halal casino and I don't really get the point about trying to rise up a same like concept since at the end of the day gambling still consider as a big sin on their religion. That's why I have huge respect to our muslim brothers since they usually follow what is prohibited to them and also their sacrifices to follow what is good on their religion and their beliefs.

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Quote from: Maslate on September 05, 2023, 06:51:54 AM

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on September 04, 2023, 11:31:11 AM

/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

actually this is a topic that has never ending or have no ending because different religion will give different interpretation .
maybe let us Muslim brothers answers this as they are the one who knows what is good and better to deal with this.
as they are also the one who has that teaching and should follow according to their beliefs .

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Quote from: Hispo on August 31, 2023, 06:58:37 PM

Within the Islamic community, there has been some movements towards finding ways to practice things which were not possible in previous centuries, Halal banking is a good example of it.

Muslims cannot charge for interest, but they managed to start banks and instead apply interest to their clients for loans, they simply call it with s different name like "fees for service* and does not apply in a percentage. So they can do banking and not be haram.

I would not be surprised if some of them are trying to apply the same principle to casinos somewhere, do they can glamble and still not to commit a sin in the eyes of Allah.

There is absolutely no concept like that in Islam where a Muslim can gamble and not be sinful because it is completely prohibited, banking is a totally different thing because, in banking, one doesn't have to be sinful other than if they take a loan and pay interest on that because interest-based loans are also prohibited in Islam and you cannot take a loan and pay extra money on top of that because you will be committing a sin if you are doing that.

So, there is basically no concept of a halal casino anywhere in the world and the video that OP shared doesn't say anything like that, it only explains that a person who is committing one sin isn't supposed to commit another sin thinking that they are already sinful so what's the point of being careful now.

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Quote from: masulum on September 04, 2023, 11:10:59 AM

The concept is explained as "in a casino, a gambler can still pray, they provide a place of worship for Muslims who gamble. That is, this concept is not the concept of a halal casino. But, it only provides prayer facilities for a Muslim. Well, if that's just a concept in the building , it's fine, as advertising, but it might hurt Muslim people who don't like gambling.

isn't same concept as what they try to elaborate ? is it our Muslim Brother who are in by chance is in questioned here.
because if the casino has a muslim gambler then it is the topic that they have provided a place to pray.
and yes if it is prohibited or not?
but anyway , I respect every Muslim brothers, and support their stand and belief in life.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on September 04, 2023, 11:24:43 AM

If I'm not mistaken, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, isn't gambling itself considered haram in Islam? So how are they going to present a halal casino when the very concept of a casino is to offer gambling services? I couldn't wrap my head around the concept. If they are just offering a prayer place inside the casino premises, isn't that spitting at the face of this holy religion that people all over the world are following? It's an equivalent of blasphemy in christianity if you'll ask me since it's defiling the very symbol/concept of your religion. Plus there's no way this isn't already getting enough flak from the devout Muslim community considering how dedicated they are at following their teachings, to introduce something so radical and nonsensical even is a little over to them if I'm going to be honest.

It is marketing after all. So everything is possible for the sake of getting people into the World of Gambling and Sportbetting.

Just think about it, Islam is one of the biggest religions on the planet, which would mean an important percentage of potential clients and gamblers are kept outside casino by their personal belief, if someone managed to reform the teachings of their religion somehow so allow people to wager money,.it would translate into billions of dollars in revenue from Muslim people alone, I am not saying it is a good or bad thing, by the way, just stating what probable some casino owners in Asia and the middle East think of.

I think no matter how great the marketing of a casino is, it won't affect the teaching of Islam, only a half baked believer will think that it is a good news but those who understand the teachings of Islamic Religion would never fall into that trap.

But then again, as it is business, I agree that they wanted to lure people into believing that their casino is way better than other casino since they are serving Halal food and a place for prayers. This kind of strategy would be at least a good approach to those Muslims who are into gambling activities.

It may be also go beyond marketing, to be honest. For casinos and even banks to be considered halal they would need to study and interpret themselves the Koran, so they can find a solution.

For example, what if a casino tried to make their activities less dependant on luck to lean towards player skills against other players in P2P games. The administration could charge a fixed fee for each match and since it is not completely about luck and randomness, some people who are muslin could consider it not to be gambling, but something different, of course the trick is for casinos to find a fun and engaging solution people of faith may be willing to try.

It makes me think of other realigions and sects have always tended towards being more lax on their dietary and behavioral rules through time.

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Muslims have been selectively interpreting the book of Quran for ages. Alcohol and Gambling had been a part of the muslim world and is still popular among some sects.

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They ask you about wine (khamr) and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." Quran 2:219

Quran does accept the presence of alcohol and gambling and accepts it benefit some people. But in general says "sin is greater than their benefit"
So it doesn't outright ban it.
It's an accepted fact that compulsive gambling and compulsive alcoholism is bad. No one in sane mind would call them a good thing.
But a bit of gambling with small part of your earnings and a few pegs of alcohol after a busy day work would be fine.
Even if you believe your religious text prescribes gambling as a sin, you should realize that even if you commit some small sins,

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Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed He is the most Forgiving, the Merciful (Quran 39:53).

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 26, 2023, 10:27:55 PM

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

Dear OP,

I know you are a Muslim. This thread's title and the content do not match at all. I watched the video as well. The person did not say anything about the halal casino there. He just said that some casino players are Muslim, and those casinos have a dedicated place for them to pray. A Casino has a dedicated place for prayer that does not make it halal.

I don't know why you decided to use such a title, but it's misleading people, especially non-muslims who did not even watch the video. They might think we are trying to make it Halal or the person in Video tried to make it Halal. I would request you to change the title of this thread.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on September 04, 2023, 11:31:11 AM

/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 26, 2023, 10:27:55 PM

I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk

Is there any concept of Halal Casino Huh

By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

He doesn't really talk about the Halal Casino, his focus is on the fact that if someone does one sin, you shouldn't tell them what's the point of protecting this rule if you commit sin in other thing. If you commit sin in one particular thing, you shouldn't think like after one sin, it's okay to commit every sin. Overall, it's better to commit one sin over two sins. This title was really a clickbait for me but his point is clear and to be honest, title was sarcasm in this case. How can halal casino exist? There is no way, right? The act of gambling is a sin in Muslin religion itself. It's also sin to give away loans but modern world, even Muslim world has banks and their bank concept is really very interesting. I thought there was some kind of similar concept in gambling too when he gave this video a Halal Casino title.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 26, 2023, 10:27:55 PM

I am not a Muslim myself, but to the best of my knowledge, based on their Qur'an, gambling is considered a sin. Consequently, it is generally expected that Muslims should refrain from engaging in it. Muslims are renowned for their strong religious beliefs and typically follow the teachings of the Qur'an closely. Given this, I believe that the concept of a 'Halal casino' would likely encounter significant opposition from the Muslim community.

Gambling is not halal in islam all forms of gambling are illegal in Islam everything derived from gambling is haram. Therefore, as a Muslim it is necessary to stay away from all forms of gambling. Gambling is described in the Qur'an as an abomination and the work of satan. It has been ordered to stay away from them. Enmity and hatred are created through gambling. In addition through these satan diverts people from prayer and remembrance of Allah.

Yes, it is true that gambling or various casinos are haram in the eyes of Islam, there is no such thing as halal. They all religions have such revelations of good and evil and instructions yet people indulge in those sinful activities or evil actions. We know that drinking alcohol or wine is completely forbidden in Islam, yet knowing all these things consume them and engage in haram activities. In that case we will definitely look at such casino platform as haram and never be halal. Casino is never halal it is totally haram and by gambling people indulge in their various evil deeds due to which gambling is haram in Islam.

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Quote from: Odusko on September 04, 2023, 09:57:11 AM

The best way to have the right idea to respond to this question is by first of all watching the video to see what the video is all about and, Islamic scholars i beginning to dive into a different new level of teaching which is going to be very interesting, since some of them are already questioning to old status quo, and if you must know why some religion followers default in they practice some time is because of how malicious those rules are and how they religion interpret it, but more also what have influenced alot of things also is the changing in societal perspectives.

One religious leader interprets what is in his religion, and other religious leaders interpret the same thing but from a different point of view, so this alone often creates conflict. So, regarding the video, what are the responses from other scholars and how do they react to it? That's what we have to look for.

This may be a new level of teaching, but it would be better for all scholars to find the most suitable method for their people because not all have advanced thinking. Many people from the same religion still do not have thoughts that are in line with their religious leaders, so they often misunderstand what they interpret. And this is what everyone pays attention to and how they perceive and, see and understand the content of the video.

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Quote from: Cantsay on August 26, 2023, 10:40:34 PM

To be honest, I thought the video was about an Islamic casino or a casino that allows Muslims to gamble because I have seen so many of his videos on other topics and also some short clips from TikTok and his teachings are always good to listen to.

And to see his picture on a casino post really got my attention. Although his post didn’t ponder entirely on casino but I still got something from it, like we shouldn’t discourage one from doing something good even if all they have been doing in their life has been evil. And since gambling is haram we shouldn’t discourage those that partake in it to not do other holy things because we are all human and we can change for the better and that little good they did could be the catalyst for it.

It's more like not condemning those Muslims that's still go on indulging in gambling activity despite calling themselves Muslims and knowing fully that what they're are doing is a Haram to their religion and belief system. That showing them love even in their sinful life believing that they will one day change from continually doing that which is Haram like the gambling. IMO, some of these condemnation people face in their religion for reason of one sinful act or the other is usually taken up by those religious extremists and such attitude is not healthy in any religion.

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Quote from: stadus on August 27, 2023, 01:34:03 AM

I thought gambling is forbidden according to the Quran. This situation seems to be an attempt to make an exemption. I don't know if it's approved by other Muslim leaders. When you mention gambling, it should be automatically considered forbidden.

This pertains to religion; I am not Muslim. We would like to hear from our Muslim brothers here whether they would agree to gambling at a Halal Casino.

So how about eating pork? Is there some kind of Halal Pork, or something?

Yes the Quran forbid gambling and the Holy Bible also forbid gambling and these are the two major religious that forbid gambling, but it is an individual choice and interest. And we come to some certain things, we should remove religious from it. Gambling has been existing from the creation of the world. Gambling is a competition that winner take all. Serpent gambled with Eve and won her heart, and through her, he (serpent) won Adam and he collected all from them. Even when Jesus came to the synagogue, people were playing gamble there, so gambling is personal decision and and not a religious affair.

If I am not mistaking, Christians play gamble more than Muslims. And from the Op, I was thinking that the YouTube video would strictly for Islamic casino but from what I saw there is general. Gambling is for everywhere and not for a particular group.

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Quote from: Hispo on September 04, 2023, 11:55:42 AM

Quote from: Casdinyard on September 04, 2023, 11:24:43 AM

If I'm not mistaken, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, isn't gambling itself considered haram in Islam? So how are they going to present a halal casino when the very concept of a casino is to offer gambling services? I couldn't wrap my head around the concept. If they are just offering a prayer place inside the casino premises, isn't that spitting at the face of this holy religion that people all over the world are following? It's an equivalent of blasphemy in christianity if you'll ask me since it's defiling the very symbol/concept of your religion. Plus there's no way this isn't already getting enough flak from the devout Muslim community considering how dedicated they are at following their teachings, to introduce something so radical and nonsensical even is a little over to them if I'm going to be honest.

It is marketing after all. So everything is possible for the sake of getting people into the World of Gambling and Sportbetting.

Just think about it, Islam is one of the biggest religions on the planet, which would mean an important percentage of potential clients and gamblers are kept outside casino by their personal belief, if someone managed to reform the teachings of their religion somehow so allow people to wager money,.it would translate into billions of dollars in revenue from Muslim people alone, I am not saying it is a good or bad thing, by the way, just stating what probable some casino owners in Asia and the middle East think of.

I think no matter how great the marketing of a casino is, it won't affect the teaching of Islam, only a half baked believer will think that it is a good news but those who understand the teachings of Islamic Religion would never fall into that trap.

But then again, as it is business, I agree that they wanted to lure people into believing that their casino is way better than other casino since they are serving Halal food and a place for prayers. This kind of strategy would be at least a good approach to those Muslims who are into gambling activities.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on September 03, 2023, 08:51:35 AM

Gambling is always haram in Islam, there's no excuse to say gambling is halal, period.

Yep, in the end, this is not a problem in religion because in Islam gambling is something that is haram and there is no argument about this.
As for those who are Muslims who still do gambling, it is not a problem in religion but indeed their foundation in religion is not very good. I don't really understand what the law is on gambling for each religion because I'm not in that field but when they say gambling is forbidden in Islam then it is true and we can't justify something that is forbidden in the first place.

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