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Quote from: DYING_S0UL on September 10, 2023, 01:22:45 AM

Gambling & Halal? Huh

Those two words doesn't go together brother. It is strictly forbidden in Islam. It's like saying Bismillah before ( means "In the name of God" ) eating pork or drinking wine (any kind of alcohol or pork is strictly forbidden to consume). You may use alcohol for medical or other purpose but can't consume it.

There is no such think as Halal Gambling or Halal Alcohol or Halal Pork. Forbidden means forbidden no exception.

Have you not watched the video yet, or are you responding based solely on the title? There is no religious sanction for gambling in the teachings of Islam, but as humans, sometimes we also must respect others who seek to do good.

Everyone is not free from sin, but in my view, it is wrong for someone to prevent others from doing good even within the confines of a casino.

The notion of a casino offering halal food or a dedicated place of worship for Muslim individuals may indeed sound unconventional. However, at the very least, when someone still holds firm to the principles of their faith, they should be entitled to worship rights even in an environment filled with sin.

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Gambling & Halal? Huh

Those two words doesn't go together brother. It is strictly forbidden in Islam. It's like saying Bismillah before ( means "In the name of God" ) eating pork or drinking wine (any kind of alcohol or pork is strictly forbidden to consume). You may use alcohol for medical or other purpose but can't consume it.

There is no such think as Halal Gambling or Halal Alcohol or Halal Pork. Forbidden means forbidden no exception.

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Quote from: mirakal on September 09, 2023, 05:25:37 PM

Muslims have always been devoted to their own rules and tradition, that is why it’s rare to them breaking their rules and justifying those negative over positive actions. But let’s face the reality that these new generation Muslims have been more trying to distort things what has been established. Gambling is always not allowed for Muslims but look at them now, a lot of casinos are actually seen with Muslim gamblers and it’s like they have started to change their rules for their own convenience, even if gambling is a big sin in their religion.

You are right, but those who know that gambling is prohibited in Islam, yet those who gamble are not really Muslims. Because of some opportunistic people this is the case today, a true Muslim can never be addicted to gambling. People were not so addicted to gambling in the past when there were no phones, laptops or computers. But nowadays everyone has a laptop computer and now everyone can play gambling at home. In the past, Muslims were not so addicted to gambling, your point is true that many Muslims of the new generation have become addicted to gambling. I think next generation Muslims will be more addicted to gambling. So it is the responsibility of every Muslim parent to keep their children away from gambling.

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Quote from: Maslate on September 05, 2023, 07:51:54 AM

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on September 04, 2023, 12:31:11 PM

/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

Muslims have always been devoted to their own rules and tradition, that is why it’s rare to them breaking their rules and justifying those negative over positive actions. But let’s face the reality that these new generation Muslims have been more trying to distort things what has been established. Gambling is always not allowed for Muslims but look at them now, a lot of casinos are actually seen with Muslim gamblers and it’s like they have started to change their rules for their own convenience, even if gambling is a big sin in their religion.

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Quote from: Maslate on September 05, 2023, 07:51:54 AM

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on September 04, 2023, 12:31:11 PM

/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

Just like someone who does a lot of research before making an investment so that they don't lose money and be sure that their investment is in the right place, one should do the same when it comes to religion and things and teachings about the religion that they follow. There can always be good and bad preachers in a religion, one might say one thing and another say a different thing, and this will confuse a lot of people about who is right and who is wrong.

In such situations, if a person has some interest in knowing the reality, they should do their own research about that thing, they should read the correct books themselves and ask different people that they know have a lot of knowledge about the religion they are following so that they can give them the information they are looking for.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 09, 2023, 03:51:57 AM

Quote from: jostorres on September 07, 2023, 04:08:06 PM

That is exactly what Mufti Menk is trying to explain in the video. He says that a casino providing halal food or a place for prayer is not a bad thing at all because if a Muslim is gambling at that casino, he might also offer his prayers on time and we are no one to actually judge someone based on his actions because that who will judge them has the ability to see through their heart and mind and understand what they do and what they want to do.

A person who is committing a sin or something that is forbidden by their religion, doesn't need to think that if they are committing one sin, there is no use in doing things that will earn them virtues because it is not our job to decide that but we just need to make sure that we are doing more and more good things.

We can only see someone from the outside, so there will be incorrect perceptions, especially if we can't understand the cause. We also may not be able to say it is a sin because God only knows it is a sin. We as ordinary humans, can only try to carry out what God commands us to do. And because we are humans, we cannot always be strong in facing temptation, which is why humans often commit sins without realizing it. But as long as he still wants to do good, that means he still wants to ask for forgiveness from God and even though he still sins, it is up to God what the outcome will be.

You know, its fascinating how much weight humans place on external perceptions. We would all be millionaires, after all, if our opinions were a form of money. Leaving that aside, you've touched on a fundamental idea: comprehending the causes of human behavior. It's similar to entering a casino. If you witness someone placing significant bets, you might assume that they are another risky gambler. Who's to say, though? Maybe they've set aside money for gaming, and they're staying well within their means.

We frequently refer to gambling as a game of chance, but isnt life similar to gambling in many ways? Every deed, even good deeds and sins, is a gamble. And while some people think a superior being is watching and judging, others think self-accountability is more important. The common idea, however, whether you're in a church or a casino, is knowing your limits, asking for forgiveness when you violate them, and trying to improve. Dont you think so?

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 09, 2023, 03:51:57 AM

Quote from: jostorres on September 07, 2023, 04:08:06 PM

That is exactly what Mufti Menk is trying to explain in the video. He says that a casino providing halal food or a place for prayer is not a bad thing at all because if a Muslim is gambling at that casino, he might also offer his prayers on time and we are no one to actually judge someone based on his actions because that who will judge them has the ability to see through their heart and mind and understand what they do and what they want to do.

A person who is committing a sin or something that is forbidden by their religion, doesn't need to think that if they are committing one sin, there is no use in doing things that will earn them virtues because it is not our job to decide that but we just need to make sure that we are doing more and more good things.

We can only see someone from the outside, so there will be incorrect perceptions, especially if we can't understand the cause. We also may not be able to say it is a sin because God only knows it is a sin. We as ordinary humans, can only try to carry out what God commands us to do. And because we are humans, we cannot always be strong in facing temptation, which is why humans often commit sins without realizing it. But as long as he still wants to do good, that means he still wants to ask for forgiveness from God and even though he still sins, it is up to God what the outcome will be.

Don't you think that these people are trying to present things in such a way that gambling looks legit for every religion? Only the people who belong to certain religions can tell what exactly the religion says about gambling ?

For instance, only the Muslims know what exactly their religious stance is about gambling. Similarly, Christians know about their belief and Hindus have their own belief about gambling. Every person should first check what his religion says about gambling and only then should decide whether gambling is permissible in their religion or not.

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Quote from: masulum on September 08, 2023, 12:50:23 PM

Quote from: arwin100 on September 07, 2023, 06:34:38 AM

Still no sense at all if they pray and still commit a sin after they play on a what so called halal casino and I don't really get the point about trying to rise up a same like concept since at the end of the day gambling still consider as a big sin on their religion. That's why I have huge respect to our muslim brothers since they usually follow what is prohibited to them and also their sacrifices to follow what is good on their religion and their beliefs.

"Halal Casino" makes this an inconvenient thing. Some of us will definitely have a different assessment of this. I personally do not agree with using Halal Casino, but for advertising it can be fine, as long as it does not intend to offend religion. And, a Muslim is not prohibited from entering/visiting the casino, the prohibition (religious context) applies when he comes and gambles, but we know that gamble can do by anyone. Maybe, it would be more respectful if it didn't use the word "Halal", even though it contains halal food and a prayer place at the Casino for Muslim gamblers.

In fact casino cannot be halal for Muslims in principle because it can never be recognized as halal by fatwa. Those of us who are living our lives by checking halal and haram according to the path shown by the Creator and the Holy Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, will never accept casinos as halal. Since casino is already prohibited by God's rules and guidance and is a bad sin, we Muslims can never recognize it as halal.
But if a mufti goes to recognize it as halal then it must be rejected.
In the early days of Islam, people indulged in gambling and casinos, and at that time Muslim followers fought against gambling and casinos and worked hard to bring those who indulged in it to the right path. Had it been halal by Islamic Shariah, the Muslim followers would not have declared war against it in the early days.

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Quote from: jostorres on September 07, 2023, 04:08:06 PM

That is exactly what Mufti Menk is trying to explain in the video. He says that a casino providing halal food or a place for prayer is not a bad thing at all because if a Muslim is gambling at that casino, he might also offer his prayers on time and we are no one to actually judge someone based on his actions because that who will judge them has the ability to see through their heart and mind and understand what they do and what they want to do.

A person who is committing a sin or something that is forbidden by their religion, doesn't need to think that if they are committing one sin, there is no use in doing things that will earn them virtues because it is not our job to decide that but we just need to make sure that we are doing more and more good things.

We can only see someone from the outside, so there will be incorrect perceptions, especially if we can't understand the cause. We also may not be able to say it is a sin because God only knows it is a sin. We as ordinary humans, can only try to carry out what God commands us to do. And because we are humans, we cannot always be strong in facing temptation, which is why humans often commit sins without realizing it. But as long as he still wants to do good, that means he still wants to ask for forgiveness from God and even though he still sins, it is up to God what the outcome will be.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on September 08, 2023, 01:31:51 PM

Quote from: sunsilk on September 03, 2023, 10:25:28 PM

Well, if something goes too deep with this then it is not surprising. It's better not to practice or touch or get into the boundaries of beliefs that are against gambling and religion.

But as what others have said, this is not for real and the video maker did a good job for making everyone curious if there's one really in existence and as well as with the help of OP.

I wonder if something like that exists for real, will the leaders of the Islam will sue the developers of it.

I have a lot of respect for Mufti Menk and I know that he is a great scholar with a very vast knowledge and experience of the religion that he preaches and he is a humble and good person. However, I know and all of us know how YouTube basically works and how people make clickbait titles and thumbnails so that people watch their videos and get more views and engagements with the video they've posted. I'm sure it's done by his team and not himself.

I do not believe that he has no knowledge about his team's doing, besides as the speaker of the said stream, I am sure that his team has his go signal in posting such stuff. Aside from that the explanation itself is done by him and not by his team. the title and the concept somehow connect since he is explaining that it is better to have 1 sin than committing more like when a person is gambling, that is one sin, eating non halal food, another sin, and missing prayers when it is time to pray, another sin is being lessen by a casino offering Halal food and place for prayer.

Quote from: fullhdpixel on September 08, 2023, 01:31:51 PM

Getting back to the topic, there cannot be a halal casino at all even if Muslim scholars or leaders of Islam don't sue the creators or anything, there is basically no concept like that because in gambling, you need to make bets, and win money, and that is haram in Islam no matter how it's done.

Obviously because for Islamic religion gambling is haram and once haram, it cannot be Halal.

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Quote from: sunsilk on September 03, 2023, 10:25:28 PM

Well, if something goes too deep with this then it is not surprising. It's better not to practice or touch or get into the boundaries of beliefs that are against gambling and religion.

But as what others have said, this is not for real and the video maker did a good job for making everyone curious if there's one really in existence and as well as with the help of OP.

I wonder if something like that exists for real, will the leaders of the Islam will sue the developers of it.

I have a lot of respect for Mufti Menk and I know that he is a great scholar with a very vast knowledge and experience of the religion that he preaches and he is a humble and good person. However, I know and all of us know how YouTube basically works and how people make clickbait titles and thumbnails so that people watch their videos and get more views and engagements with the video they've posted. I'm sure it's done by his team and not himself.

Getting back to the topic, there cannot be a halal casino at all even if Muslim scholars or leaders of Islam don't sue the creators or anything, there is basically no concept like that because in gambling, you need to make bets, and win money, and that is haram in Islam no matter how it's done.

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Quote from: arwin100 on September 07, 2023, 06:34:38 AM

Still no sense at all if they pray and still commit a sin after they play on a what so called halal casino and I don't really get the point about trying to rise up a same like concept since at the end of the day gambling still consider as a big sin on their religion. That's why I have huge respect to our muslim brothers since they usually follow what is prohibited to them and also their sacrifices to follow what is good on their religion and their beliefs.

"Halal Casino" makes this an inconvenient thing. Some of us will definitely have a different assessment of this. I personally do not agree with using Halal Casino, but for advertising it can be fine, as long as it does not intend to offend religion. And, a Muslim is not prohibited from entering/visiting the casino, the prohibition (religious context) applies when he comes and gambles, but we know that gamble can do by anyone. Maybe, it would be more respectful if it didn't use the word "Halal", even though it contains halal food and a prayer place at the Casino for Muslim gamblers.

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Quote from: --Encrypted-- on August 27, 2023, 12:34:04 AM

It sounds to me that they're trying to work around their own beliefs which is just weird to say the least.

I'm not a muslim and don't consider gambling a sin but I believe that you shouldn't knowingly commit the same sin every day even if you pray and do something good right after commiting that sin.

I agree with your statement.

From what I have heard and learned, gambling is absolutely prohibited under the Islamic rules and regulations. According to them, Allah has forbidden gambling and it is considered as a sin. Seeing a Muslim working around and circumventing such is somehow displeasing to see but I guess they have their own discussion about it.

Though this may be the case, a concept of a "Halal" casino is potentially bound to fail. Imagine, naming a gambling casino in a Muslim term definitely spark red flags on it. I doubt that Muslims and other people would even attempt to try this without going against their beliefs.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on September 04, 2023, 12:31:11 PM

/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

Very well said mate. The fact is that there are many people who portrays certain quotes from their religion and convey it's meaning in a different form.
They completely change the actual meaning behind the context of the quote and interpret wrong information for their own benefits.
As mentioned in the video in OP, one sin shouldn't be the gateway to other sins. People should educate themselves and understand what their religion truly convey.
Each religion has it's own beauty and beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

Religion and personal beliefs should be separrated from this activity. Most of the people here in this industry belongs to a religion and culture but why are we still here if the concept itself of gambling is in contrast with the teachings of a religion? Simply because we are not linking these two concepts and which is why words associated to a religion should not also be mentioned in any way especially for personal gain 'coz you are simply fooling yourself and making fun of other's tradition and culture. Let gambling be gambling, that's it and no other colors of polictics and religious beliefs.

For sure few people would only fall in this scheme. Also, they should be sensitive enough to know it in a single glance. Let us not make the inage of this industry worse.

I did make out some search if Gambling is really that allowed or prohibited on Muslims and turns out that it was indeed prohibited.

According to the Quran, Muslims are forbidden to gamble. However, there are casinos in countries where Islam is the predominant religion, and there are numerous other countries throughout the world with casinos that focus their marketing strategies on attracting gamers from Muslim-majority countries.Source link

Totally contradictory? It wasnt allowed but theres casinos that had been built out with those muslim countries? How about on havingthis halal casino which
there are really that exemptions on which muslims are allowed or able to play? Going against your religious beliefs then it would really be your own choice and since not all would really be that strictly be
following with those and with the easy access today then it is really just too easy to gamble.

It's nothing new. There are religions which prohibit doing certain things yet there are some people from the religion who still do it.
For example eating non-veg food is prohibited in a religion yet there are people who still eat it.
I guess same goes here too. Even though gambling is prohibited for Muslims yet there will be some people gambling.

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Quote from: coinerer on September 07, 2023, 11:31:27 AM

Casino is casino it is always haram for muslims. Casino is a form of gambling and Muslim religion never considers gambling as halal. I don't know how he calls casino halal and how he found halal casino. They seem like complete scams. I am really shocked by this Huh

From what I know of Islam I would never believe that casinos could ever be halal

Yes that's right. Islam prohibits the practice of gambling and all forms related to gambling. I think most religions have a concept like that, prohibiting gambling. Even so, many religious people carry out gambling activities. That's their choice and I don't think it needs to be related to religion itself. In my opinion, promoting casinos with the "halal casino" model is something wrong. They created controversy for themselves and I think that's a very bad idea

If they keep doing that I think there will be demonstrations from the Islamic community, and that will cause their casinos to close.

I am a Muslim and I have always known that Islam never supports gambling and every casino is gambling. It somehow belittles Islam. It is a forum where all kinds of discussion and work are done together. It doesn't matter who belongs to which religion but everyone should respect everyone's religion. I think this topic is disrespecting Islam so it is better to lock this topic. As this is not an official announcement threat of any casino, so i think there is no reason to discuss it further here.

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Quote from: coinerer on September 07, 2023, 11:31:27 AM

Casino is casino it is always haram for muslims. Casino is a form of gambling and Muslim religion never considers gambling as halal. I don't know how he calls casino halal and how he found halal casino. They seem like complete scams. I am really shocked by this Huh

From what I know of Islam I would never believe that casinos could ever be halal

Yes that's right. Islam prohibits the practice of gambling and all forms related to gambling. I think most religions have a concept like that, prohibiting gambling. Even so, many religious people carry out gambling activities. That's their choice and I don't think it needs to be related to religion itself. In my opinion, promoting casinos with the "halal casino" model is something wrong. They created controversy for themselves and I think that's a very bad idea

If they keep doing that I think there will be demonstrations from the Islamic community, and that will cause their casinos to close.

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Quote from: milewilda on September 07, 2023, 06:20:06 PM

I did make out some search if Gambling is really that allowed or prohibited on Muslims and turns out that it was indeed prohibited.

According to the Quran, Muslims are forbidden to gamble. However, there are casinos in countries where Islam is the predominant religion, and there are numerous other countries throughout the world with casinos that focus their marketing strategies on attracting gamers from Muslim-majority countries.Source link

Totally contradictory? It wasnt allowed but theres casinos that had been built out with those muslim countries? How about on havingthis halal casino which
there are really that exemptions on which muslims are allowed or able to play? Going against your religious beliefs then it would really be your own choice and since not all would really be that strictly be
following with those and with the easy access today then it is really just too easy to gamble.

This show how partial the government is in terms of profitability just like having a casino in Muslim countries. Although there is a separation of state in religion but I do not know if it also applies in Muslim-dominated countries.

If there is an exemption rule about a Muslim playing in a Halal casino, this is fully contrary to the Islamic belief that gambling is a sin and I think this will create a huge argument between the firm believer of the Islamic religion and those Muslims who intend to consent their way of gambling. Since gambling is a sin for Islamic religion, there is no way that the existence of Halal Casino will be approved by the Islamic religious leaders.

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Quote from: Yatsan on September 07, 2023, 12:51:24 PM

Quote from: pawanjain on September 07, 2023, 12:27:48 PM

Quote from: Maslate on September 05, 2023, 07:51:54 AM

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on September 04, 2023, 12:31:11 PM

/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

Very well said mate. The fact is that there are many people who portrays certain quotes from their religion and convey it's meaning in a different form.
They completely change the actual meaning behind the context of the quote and interpret wrong information for their own benefits.
As mentioned in the video in OP, one sin shouldn't be the gateway to other sins. People should educate themselves and understand what their religion truly convey.
Each religion has it's own beauty and beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

Religion and personal beliefs should be separrated from this activity. Most of the people here in this industry belongs to a religion and culture but why are we still here if the concept itself of gambling is in contrast with the teachings of a religion? Simply because we are not linking these two concepts and which is why words associated to a religion should not also be mentioned in any way especially for personal gain 'coz you are simply fooling yourself and making fun of other's tradition and culture. Let gambling be gambling, that's it and no other colors of polictics and religious beliefs.

For sure few people would only fall in this scheme. Also, they should be sensitive enough to know it in a single glance. Let us not make the inage of this industry worse.

I did make out some search if Gambling is really that allowed or prohibited on Muslims and turns out that it was indeed prohibited.

According to the Quran, Muslims are forbidden to gamble. However, there are casinos in countries where Islam is the predominant religion, and there are numerous other countries throughout the world with casinos that focus their marketing strategies on attracting gamers from Muslim-majority countries.Source link

Totally contradictory? It wasnt allowed but theres casinos that had been built out with those muslim countries? How about on havingthis halal casino which
there are really that exemptions on which muslims are allowed or able to play? Going against your religious beliefs then it would really be your own choice and since not all would really be that strictly be
following with those and with the easy access today then it is really just too easy to gamble.

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Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

Dear OP,

I know you are a Muslim. This thread's title and the content do not match at all. I watched the video as well. The person did not say anything about the halal casino there. He just said that some casino players are Muslim, and those casinos have a dedicated place for them to pray. A Casino has a dedicated place for prayer that does not make it halal.

I don't know why you decided to use such a title, but it's misleading people, especially non-muslims who did not even watch the video. They might think we are trying to make it Halal or the person in Video tried to make it Halal. I would request you to change the title of this thread.

I think there is no problem with the title of this topic because discussion of the concept of halal gambling will never be accepted at all, I also watched the video and for now all religions and races know and play gambling.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on August 29, 2023, 05:59:52 AM

Quote from: wiss19 on August 29, 2023, 03:03:49 AM

Did you not watch the video yourself before posting it here? Because if you do, he explains everything very clearly, and at no point in the video, he says anything about a halal casino. What he talked about in the video about casinos was that there are some regions where you can get halal food and even praying places inside the casinos, so some people say that when you are gambling, you are already sinful so you shouldn't care about halal food or praying as well.

So he explains that it is a very wrong concept where a person thinks that if he is committing one sin, he should commit other sins too but one should at least try to reduce the sins they are committing. So even if a person is gambling, he should eat food that is haram or should skip his prayers.

And because he has done something haram, it doesn't mean he can't do something halal. He has to do many halal things to do less haram. It takes time until eventually he can get enlightenment from God, who can make him aware of halal and haram. He can also understand that what he has been doing until now is still doing many things that are haram, so he has to stop doing what is haram and start doing halal things. And that is an effort to reduce the sins he has committed.

That is exactly what Mufti Menk is trying to explain in the video. He says that a casino providing halal food or a place for prayer is not a bad thing at all because if a Muslim is gambling at that casino, he might also offer his prayers on time and we are no one to actually judge someone based on his actions because that who will judge them has the ability to see through their heart and mind and understand what they do and what they want to do.

A person who is committing a sin or something that is forbidden by their religion, doesn't need to think that if they are committing one sin, there is no use in doing things that will earn them virtues because it is not our job to decide that but we just need to make sure that we are doing more and more good things.

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