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August 27, 2023, 03:42:45 PM
#52
I got what the video wanted to say, he is just stating that it is better to commit one mistake than commit two.  But isn't it hypocrisy when we tend to accept someone to commit a sin and then symphatise with the guys committing the sin because he also follow other belief that convenience him?

A casino that serves Halal Foods and have place for Muslim prayer  is all a business concept for me.  And it is hypocritical that a place service people that made them sin and offer other services within that person's religion's belief.  This is like encouraging the Muslim people to sin telling that it is ok to gamble because they have Halal food and place for prayers.
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August 27, 2023, 03:10:29 PM
#51
It sounds to me that they're trying to work around their own beliefs which is just weird to say the least.

Yea if we look at the title alone we could say that they are misleading the public base on there belief but going through the entire video the speaker is actually making some points and it’s not encouraging gambling but rather he is advising those Muslim who already found them self in the means of gambling to not use that as an excuse of not praying because of the surrounding that they finds their self that doing that could be seen as a double sin, anyone who see any Muslim in the means of gambling should not also stop them from praying that they should allow them pray, that everything is done one step at at time, with them doing a little of good thing and praying always that they will have better chances of realizing that they are committing a great sin and are likely to change and come out of the sin over time, But discouraging them and calling them siners won’t help the matter at all, he also gave an instance of those who see people who dress half native that it’s better to advise them to dress decently than telling them to completely remove the cloth since they choose to be naked. I finds his teachings educative rather than weird.

Yes, I watched the whole video and found that the title of this video plus the thumbnail in this video does not match the content presented in the video. This is more like a clickbait title/thumbnail and there is no talk about the legit casino in this video.

The speakers say that if you are doing one bad thing, that should not force you to do many bad things. Rather he is of the point of view that one bad deed should not stop you from doing other good deeds and when you keep on doing good deeds, you will automatically be refrain from doing the bad deeds which you were doing. That's the whole concept that is being explained there.

Which means, it has nothing to do with the theme of the title of this thread isn't it. to be honest, I didn't try to watch the video shared by the OP. because I suspect that the title of this video is just clickbait. that's why, I have no interest in opening it or watching it. because after all, there is no Halal Casino. "referring to references from religion".

Referring to what you said, it seems that the content of the video content actually leads to something that is good in nature. it's just that, it's packed with titles and thumbnails like the screenshot the OP is showing. no problem with that, i think it's fine. but if we discuss about halal casinos. it seems, will only be a debate and will not be endless. the point is, in today's modern era we can use our intellect to examine anything, including the theme of our discussion in this thread.
that's why, it's not good if gambling is associated with religion or belief. because discussions like this, will always end in contradiction. the point is, let's just enjoy it if we really like gambling, especially in the context of entertainment, reflection, relaxation and the like. but if the opposite, stay away and leave. for me, it's that simple.
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August 27, 2023, 03:05:03 PM
#50
Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.
a casino with a prayer area and Halal food is still not Halal. The only way a gambling casino can become Halal for Muslims is if when the religion stops considering gambling as a sin. In the end, he is just making an excuse for a person to consciously commit a sin. A casino with a prayer area and Halal food does not make a casino Halal but it is quite considerate of them to have those things in a casino to accommodate their Muslim gamblers.

He does make a point though. You say that the only way for it to be allowed is if the religion considers it legal, but can you really call yourself a religious person if you obey all the rules of that religion but one?
Imagine that you've been a believer all your life and then your church comes up with a nonsense rule that you wouldn't obey, but now you have a dilemma if you should go against that rule and ignore it, obey it, or leave the church completely because you don't like the new rule.

I'M not Muslim and I don't follow these rules, but many people consider themselves Christian, even though they don't follow all the rules of the church. For example, I know many people who aren't married but live together. This is a sin according to the church, but they keep doing it. Many people are only 90% religious and there's something that they do against the rules.
I never said that you need to follow all of the rules that religion has. yeah, sure he has a point about not encouraging people to commit more sins after committing one, but his point also encourages people to commit a sin, That is why I said, In the end he is making an excuse for people to consciously commit a sin.
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August 27, 2023, 02:48:51 PM
#49
It sounds to me that they're trying to work around their own beliefs which is just weird to say the least.

Yea if we look at the title alone we could say that they are misleading the public base on there belief but going through the entire video the speaker is actually making some points and it’s not encouraging gambling but rather he is advising those Muslim who already found them self in the means of gambling to not use that as an excuse of not praying because of the surrounding that they finds their self that doing that could be seen as a double sin, anyone who see any Muslim in the means of gambling should not also stop them from praying that they should allow them pray, that everything is done one step at at time, with them doing a little of good thing and praying always that they will have better chances of realizing that they are committing a great sin and are likely to change and come out of the sin over time, But discouraging them and calling them siners won’t help the matter at all, he also gave an instance of those who see people who dress half native that it’s better to advise them to dress decently than telling them to completely remove the cloth since they choose to be naked. I finds his teachings educative rather than weird.

Yes, it is quite misleading and worse could spread misinformation if not read the article fully or even watched the video. Of course, clashing with your cultural or religious beliefs will be difficult. It not only gave you an obligation to change and do the right thing but also to give up what you are doing the wrong thing.

Will you give up your beief instead to gamble? or you'll give up gambling and change and stick with your truth and belief? There is no right and wrong answer because we have different values from different backgrounds. But what I know is living against your moral values is not easy.
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August 27, 2023, 01:50:51 PM
#48
Just like many users here got tricked by the title, I really thought it’s a new Halal Casino or the video you shared was talking about it but no it’s totally a different thing and that Sheikh is only talking moe about islam rules which says that in our religion if you do sin and in our example gambling or even walking into a casino doesn’t mean you are not a muslim or you should stop praying for example. Casinos and gambling are very known things to be Haram in islam so if someone gamble he is doing a sin and he will get punished for that, but doesn’t mean he is considered as a Kafir.
But for a Halal casino i don’t think it’s possible to realize. As this two things are so different since to consider a casino we should involve risking and gambling which something forbidden in Islam and can never be halal.
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August 27, 2023, 01:17:38 PM
#47
Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.
a casino with a prayer area and Halal food is still not Halal. The only way a gambling casino can become Halal for Muslims is if when the religion stops considering gambling as a sin. In the end, he is just making an excuse for a person to consciously commit a sin. A casino with a prayer area and Halal food does not make a casino Halal but it is quite considerate of them to have those things in a casino to accommodate their Muslim gamblers.

He does make a point though. You say that the only way for it to be allowed is if the religion considers it legal, but can you really call yourself a religious person if you obey all the rules of that religion but one?
Imagine that you've been a believer all your life and then your church comes up with a nonsense rule that you wouldn't obey, but now you have a dilemma if you should go against that rule and ignore it, obey it, or leave the church completely because you don't like the new rule.

I'm not Muslim and I don't follow these rules, but many people consider themselves Christian, even though they don't follow all the rules of the church. For example, I know many people who aren't married but live together. This is a sin according to the church, but they keep doing it. Many people are only 90% religious and there's something that they do against the rules.
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August 27, 2023, 12:58:14 PM
#46
To be honest, I thought the video was about an Islamic casino or a casino that allows Muslims to gamble because I have seen so many of his videos on other topics and also some short clips from TikTok and his teachings are always good to listen to.

And to see his picture on a casino post really got my attention. Although his post didn’t ponder entirely on casino but I still got something from it, like we shouldn’t discourage one from doing something good even if all they have been doing in their life has been evil. And since gambling is haram we shouldn’t discourage those that partake in it to not doing other holy things because we are all human and we can change for the better and that little good they did could be the catalyst for it.
I agree with you because my first suspense was to see the first Islamic casino since the religion drawn so much on gambling,  but hey this is highly educative since it deals with how individuals deal with their perception and judgment of other,  the speaker was right anyways and this will also lower the so much discrimination against gambling without actually taking time to know it advantage and weaknesses.

The video entirely spoke in line with what my local priest told me in the church today that we should not be too judgemental of people while speaking to them about moralities,  a lot of religious outreach doesn't reach some casinos in my area and sometimes they bypass it deliberately writing them off not knowing that humans are always weak.
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August 27, 2023, 12:40:21 PM
#45
Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.
a casino with a prayer area and Halal food is still not Halal. The only way a gambling casino can become Halal for Muslims is if when the religion stops considering gambling as a sin. In the end, he is just making an excuse for a person to consciously commit a sin. A casino with a prayer area and Halal food does not make a casino Halal but it is quite considerate of them to have those things in a casino to accommodate their Muslim gamblers.
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August 27, 2023, 12:17:10 PM
#44
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Basically, he meant that Muslims shouldn't go to casinos all because they have a room for Muslims to pray. It doesn't mean that a casino with a room for Muslims to pray means this casino is a Halal Casino. One Muslim going to a casino is already a sin, and when you gamble that's another sin.

Sometimes they don't feed it like they are explaining it to a kid in order for a man to understand. Listeners sometimes just have to take the hint.

There is no connection between prayer services and casinos that are lawful because they have space to pray because in Islam gambling in any form is a sin and is clearly prohibited, there is no teaching in any religion that gives permission to gamble.
Islam is one of the religions with quite strict prohibitions, even in Islam every action has accountability that must be faced by every Muslim.

To be honest, I still don't really understand the meaning or essence of this thread, even though I have watched the videos, but I have not found a clear understanding of the true meaning of the concept of halal casinos.
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August 27, 2023, 11:37:53 AM
#43
It looks like clickbait and when I saw this video it actually has nothing to do with Halal gambling but the video is just giving advice about something bad but don't forget about doing good.
I am a Muslim and I am also a gambler even though my religion prohibits gambling or it is considered a sin I still do it even though it looks bad it violates the rules in my religion the most important thing is that my thoughts do not harm other people and also I don't forget to do good to others or give alms to people the less able.
Sin or not, my gambling activity is only Allah who judges and my duty is to do according to destiny, which I have to do well and also help others and also sometimes when I get a win from gambling I buy food which I distribute to neighbors who are underprivileged and even though they are famous. as a gambler but it is my obligation to continue to do good without harming others.

I am curious. You are the first person I have read around here who claims to be a muslin and yet admits to gamble.
I thought that within the Islamic world and nations gambling was not frown upon but also punished by family members or religious authorities themselves. Does it depend on the country you live in?

Because I have seen news through the years about places like Iran, when consuming alcohol and doing other haram actions can lead to sentences of physical punishment in front of the rest of the community. how does it actually work? Are you supposed to gamble in secret?
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August 27, 2023, 11:30:32 AM
#42
It looks like clickbait and when I saw this video it actually has nothing to do with Halal gambling but the video is just giving advice about something bad but don't forget about doing good.
I am a Muslim and I am also a gambler even though my religion prohibits gambling or it is considered a sin I still do it even though it looks bad it violates the rules in my religion the most important thing is that my thoughts do not harm other people and also I don't forget to do good to others or give alms to people the less able.
Sin or not, my gambling activity is only Allah who judges and my duty is to do according to destiny, which I have to do well and also help others and also sometimes when I get a win from gambling I buy food which I distribute to neighbors who are underprivileged and even though they are famous. as a gambler but it is my obligation to continue to do good without harming others.

Basically, he meant that Muslims shouldn't go to casinos all because they have a room for Muslims to pray. It doesn't mean that a casino with a room for Muslims to pray means this casino is a Halal Casino. One Muslim going to a casino is already a sin, and when you gamble that's another sin.

Sometimes they don't feed it like they are explaining it to a kid in order for a man to understand. Listeners sometimes just have to take the hint.


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August 27, 2023, 10:47:01 AM
#41
It looks like clickbait and when I saw this video it actually has nothing to do with Halal gambling but the video is just giving advice about something bad but don't forget about doing good.
I am a Muslim and I am also a gambler even though my religion prohibits gambling or it is considered a sin I still do it even though it looks bad it violates the rules in my religion the most important thing is that my thoughts do not harm other people and also I don't forget to do good to others or give alms to people the less able.
Sin or not, my gambling activity is only Allah who judges and my duty is to do according to destiny, which I have to do well and also help others and also sometimes when I get a win from gambling I buy food which I distribute to neighbors who are underprivileged and even though they are famous. as a gambler but it is my obligation to continue to do good without harming others.
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August 27, 2023, 10:24:30 AM
#40
Unfortunately, the content didn't have a language translator, so I didn't understand all of the content.

I will not comment more because it is clear that the Islamic religion strictly prohibits gambling this is a commandment from God, back to each one in his perception when you know this is haram then stop gambling, I am the same gambling is haram will not deny it.

Stick to your own choices, I know what to do. Have fun  Grin
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August 27, 2023, 10:16:37 AM
#39
Why the heck would any person with a brain associate gambling with religion? It's nonsensical in so many ways. Gambling brings together people from across the world regardless of their religion, caste, sex etc.

Crypto gambling sites take it one step further by trying to allow them to gamble anonymously without outside interference to some extent which has been getting tougher and tougher recently.

This is why I and many other love the world of gambling. Think!
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August 27, 2023, 10:13:47 AM
#38
Is there any concept of Halal Casino  Huh
By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

From my point of view, thumbnails clearly combine 2 conflicting elements. Because he was the first to associate gambling with religious symbols. In Islam itself, gambling is ultimately prohibited and the law is final and cannot be tolerated anymore. Any kind of anything related to gambling is illegal.
Now, interestingly, in this video there is no translation feature into another language because it is turned off, so it is limited to understanding the content conveyed by Mufti Menk. But if we look in the comments column, we find positive feedback, so my view is reminded of the saying: never judge other people from the outside, but see what they have to say. this sentence applies to the video so we found no explanation at all about gambling.
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August 27, 2023, 10:12:00 AM
#37
This video is very necessary for Muslims. Because it will create a new concept about casino among them. Because Islam does not support gambling. However, not only this video, but more detailed study is required to know the Muslim religious opinion about gambling. Local religious leaders can be discussed if necessary.

The video doesn’t show any support on a casino nor Muslim doing gambling. It discuss only the importance of being Halal even inside the casino so that sinners will not commit more mistakes but it doesn’t support casino or condoning gambling as being good. Muslim religious leader opinion towards gambling will never change since it's their religious law.

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August 27, 2023, 10:06:27 AM
#36
Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.
As far as I know Jews, Christians and Muslims have a Bible about gambling, basically gambling is forbidden for them, that's as far as I know what I've read and seen, so what was conveyed by YouTube Mufti Menk, that is my assessment only as his opinion, of course there are many comments that I have read regarding the responses he conveyed about the Halal Casino Concept.

Maybe, at this time we have to think wisely, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are divided into several groups, so we have to really understand Mufti Menk, whether he is a genuine Muslim or a group Islam, if he was real muslim i'm sure he would be embarrassed to say all that, but gambling is still gambling, haram and halal it all depends on how they think, nowadays i think islam is quite enthusiastic about online gambling, that's a fact, even though their fatwa forbids it.
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August 27, 2023, 10:06:20 AM
#35

This concept is for our Muslim brothers but for us Christians, there are some sects that support gambling and some are not, and our Muslims have one law that they follow when it comes to haram and halal, but at the end of the day, everything are all about respect to one's religious belief when it comes to gambling.

Despite the individual decisions towards gambling which may be traced to economic situation for those who believe that they can add gambling as a source of income to meet up to family needs but I don't think the christians has a sect of the religion that also support gambling. At least I have not heard of a pastor preaching and advising their converts at the pupit to gamble. What I have heard is their condemnation of it using the example at the synagogue where Jesus Christ threw the gambling materials away and the gamblers were scolded.
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August 27, 2023, 09:59:11 AM
#34
What I understand in the explanation of Mufti Menk is if you are in a place that is considered Haram (forbidden or proscribed by Islamic law) it means that you can still do something that is Halal (lawful or permitted) you can eat food that is halal or do your thing in accordance to Muslim laws.

This concept is for our Muslim brothers but for us Christians, there are some sects that support gambling and some are not, and our Muslims have one law that they follow when it comes to haram and halal, but at the end of the day, everything are all about respect to one's religious belief when it comes to gambling.
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August 27, 2023, 09:58:47 AM
#33
Just tickled and made me laugh out loud when I read the thread about the concept of a halal casino. I like gambling, but I also don't have the courage to justify my actions from a religious point of view, that the activities I do are right and lawful. still religiously gambling is an act that is wrong and unlawful.

After all, when talking about a scholar they have many followers, so he must consider everything when he wants to express an opinion, because this does not only affect himself but also his followers. and I really regret that there is a scholar who put forward the concept of a halal casino, which in its provisions is clearly unlawful and cannot be contested.
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