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Quote from: avp2306 on September 03, 2023, 03:54:58 AM

You do the right thing since gambling in any form is really a sin to islam and heavily discourage to participate on said religion. But some other didn't follow and its given since every person is prone to get baited on temptation but as long as you are fine then doesn't get bothered the this is really good for you. I also don't think muslim community will adopt this idea since for sure muslim leaders will discourage those people actively participating on this activity.

If someone wants to follow his religion completely and avoid what is forbidden in his religion then that is his own opinion. I have seen many of my Muslim friends gambling regularly, they gamble even after knowing that gambling is forbidden in their religion. Those who gamble do not pay attention to the rules of religion, they gamble as they wish.

Since many Muslims gamble, it is an open secret, meaning that there are many Muslim gamblers in every country who gamble openly or secretly. Any step can be taken to bring them together and this Mufti may have thought about this concept. Now it remains to be seen what others think about this and whether they will implement this concept.

I have seen this video before and posted in this thread that the video is very different from the title.

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Quote from: 2Pizza410000BTC on September 03, 2023, 02:49:31 AM

As a Muslim I can never accept gambling as halal. Gambling has been declared haram or forbidden by an Islamic organization and management. Many people who work with me are involved in bad activities like gambling but I never agree to spend time in gambling or casino. As far as I know those who spend time in gambling cause chaos in their family and marital life. Many people I have met have made it big on gambling and are now living with poverty in their families. So it is never possible to accept gambling as halal because gambling is responsible for causing all the problems.

You do the right thing since gambling in any form is really a sin to islam and heavily discourage to participate on said religion. But some other didn't follow and its given since every person is prone to get baited on temptation but as long as you are fine then doesn't get bothered the this is really good for you. I also don't think muslim community will adopt this idea since for sure muslim leaders will discourage those people actively participating on this activity.

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Quote from: bettercrypto on September 03, 2023, 01:52:29 AM

What I see there is that they used the Halal approved because they know that most Muslims will not have a problem if they see that a casino is halal connected. And this is a way for them to establish a Muslim community that will enter the casino, maybe their main target is also people who are not Muslims.

It seems to be part of their marketing strategy, it's like a trick that is not directly like that, but the result will be gambling in the end. If that's the case, it can be said that the strategy they came up with is good, in my opinion.

The Muslim community will not go near gambling, let alone enter a casino. Whatever is in the casino environment, meaning inside the casino, will probably never be visited by Muslim people. They know that if they enter the casino, even if it's on the lower floor, they can easily be tempted and will end up seeing what's on the top floor where the casino is.

Their strategy is good but won't work for the Muslim community because they already understand the difference between Halal and Haram. They will never approach something like Haram just because of strategy or whatever. So the video won't get any response from people who already understand.

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As a Muslim I can never accept gambling as halal. Gambling has been declared haram or forbidden by an Islamic organization and management. Many people who work with me are involved in bad activities like gambling but I never agree to spend time in gambling or casino. As far as I know those who spend time in gambling cause chaos in their family and marital life. Many people I have met have made it big on gambling and are now living with poverty in their families. So it is never possible to accept gambling as halal because gambling is responsible for causing all the problems.

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From the Muslim colleagues I have in my work I know that this can't be the truth and that scholar should not be a good one if he is offering the concept of such casino where Muslims will be allowed to play.I know though that some Muslims even from countries like Saudi Arabia or other countries gamble as I have seen Arabic names in Stake chat and a lot of them,maybe the idea of that scholar is to switch these players to that casino in order to get the benefits themselves,to get the money spending there in their casino as they play anyway so maybe that is why.

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What I see there is that they used the Halal approved because they know that most Muslims will not have a problem if they see that a casino is halal connected. And this is a way for them to establish a Muslim community that will enter the casino, maybe their main target is also people who are not Muslims.

It seems to be part of their marketing strategy, it's like a trick that is not directly like that, but the result will be gambling in the end. If that's the case, it can be said that the strategy they came up with is good, in my opinion.

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Quote from: Westinhome on September 02, 2023, 04:17:27 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on September 02, 2023, 03:15:10 PM

There is no doubt that religion should be given the utmost place in the society and every religious principle should be followed strictly to bring it implemented scholars have the right to change the content of the holy books, so I agree with you on the fact that having individuals ditching out they personal opinions on sensitive religious matters cause a lot of concern for the society.

But then what the ops stated in the video is somehow right and probable when it comes to individual judgemental mindset when it comes to religion and holiness plus sin.

The Islamic based countries surely follow the islamic rules for gambling,according to the religion gambling was not the acceptable one.So I was confused about this Halal gambling.This seems like the gambling getting some marketing tactics to the gambling and to involve the Muslim community to use this type of gambling.Playing the gambling is based on the individual as compared to the religion.So some of my Muslim friends use to play the gambling without knowing to their own community people.When the Islamic religion cross this ban,then my friends will play the gambling without any hide and seek.

In this regard I have some Muslim friends who said about gambling that it is totally forbidden in their religion. Their religion never accepts anything like this. Those who interpret it positively would be mistaken. But even though many Muslims know it is up to them to go to a casino or gamble. No one can get any action and many people play these games secretly. As a result, those people cannot be identified. But if it depends on the religion then it is a completely prohibited act.

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Quote from: Westinhome on September 02, 2023, 04:17:27 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on September 02, 2023, 03:15:10 PM

There is no doubt that religion should be given the utmost place in the society and every religious principle should be followed strictly to bring it implemented scholars have the right to change the content of the holy books, so I agree with you on the fact that having individuals ditching out they personal opinions on sensitive religious matters cause a lot of concern for the society.

But then what the ops stated in the video is somehow right and probable when it comes to individual judgemental mindset when it comes to religion and holiness plus sin.

The Islamic based countries surely follow the islamic rules for gambling,according to the religion gambling was not the acceptable one.So I was confused about this Halal gambling.This seems like the gambling getting some marketing tactics to the gambling and to involve the Muslim community to use this type of gambling.Playing the gambling is based on the individual as compared to the religion.So some of my Muslim friends use to play the gambling without knowing to their own community people.When the Islamic religion cross this ban,then my friends will play the gambling without any hide and seek.

It is true that this kind of approach is more of a Marketing strategy where the casino aims to target the Muslim's psychology making them think that it is better to sin one time than two or three times. The concept of Halal Casino targets Muslim players that can't stop themselves from gambling, and cater their need such as Halal approved food and the place for prayers.

This is like, if Muslims can't stop themselves from gambling then why not minimize the sin they are committing by serving them food according to Islamic belief and at the same time give them a place for prayers when the time comes that the need of prayer arises.

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Quote from: Westinhome on September 02, 2023, 04:17:27 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on September 02, 2023, 03:15:10 PM

There is no doubt that religion should be given the utmost place in the society and every religious principle should be followed strictly to bring it implemented scholars have the right to change the content of the holy books, so I agree with you on the fact that having individuals ditching out they personal opinions on sensitive religious matters cause a lot of concern for the society.

But then what the ops stated in the video is somehow right and probable when it comes to individual judgemental mindset when it comes to religion and holiness plus sin.

The Islamic based countries surely follow the islamic rules for gambling,according to the religion gambling was not the acceptable one.So I was confused about this Halal gambling.This seems like the gambling getting some marketing tactics to the gambling and to involve the Muslim community to use this type of gambling.Playing the gambling is based on the individual as compared to the religion.So some of my Muslim friends use to play the gambling without knowing to their own community people.When the Islamic religion cross this ban,then my friends will play the gambling without any hide and seek.

This is obviously a marketing strategy targeting the Muslim community. Gambling is against their religion and belief so even if there were Muslim organizations that allow this, I'm sure that there would still be conflicts regarding their principles.
It's their tactic to attract gamblers especially the Islamic countries which is clearly against their religion because I don't think it's ideal to drag religions into gambling.
The Muslim community has a high respect for their religion and it's something that we should respect as well. I don't think it's a good idea to involve religion just to attract more players.

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Quote from: Wiwo on September 02, 2023, 03:15:10 PM

There is no doubt that religion should be given the utmost place in the society and every religious principle should be followed strictly to bring it implemented scholars have the right to change the content of the holy books, so I agree with you on the fact that having individuals ditching out they personal opinions on sensitive religious matters cause a lot of concern for the society.

But then what the ops stated in the video is somehow right and probable when it comes to individual judgemental mindset when it comes to religion and holiness plus sin.

The Islamic based countries surely follow the islamic rules for gambling,according to the religion gambling was not the acceptable one.So I was confused about this Halal gambling.This seems like the gambling getting some marketing tactics to the gambling and to involve the Muslim community to use this type of gambling.Playing the gambling is based on the individual as compared to the religion.So some of my Muslim friends use to play the gambling without knowing to their own community people.When the Islamic religion cross this ban,then my friends will play the gambling without any hide and seek.

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Quote from: erep on September 02, 2023, 01:25:27 PM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 26, 2023, 10:27:55 PM

I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk

Is there any concept of Halal Casino Huh

By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

I feel concerned that some Islamic scholars have changed religious regulations based on their own opinions or reviewed something but did not relate it to the basic Islamic religious regulations that have been established, whoever says casinos are halal in Islam are a heretical group. Several other Islamic scholars in Zimbabwe must immediately correct this person's misguided opinion so that the problem can be straightened out according to Islamic rules.

All regulations in any religion must be implemented correctly and never change, replace or revise religious regulations based on personal opinion because this will cause conflict problems between religious communities.

There is no doubt that religion should be given the utmost place in the society and every religious principle should be followed strictly to bring it implemented scholars have the right to change the content of the holy books, so I agree with you on the fact that having individuals ditching out they personal opinions on sensitive religious matters cause a lot of concern for the society.

But then what the ops stated in the video is somehow right and probable when it comes to individual judgemental mindset when it comes to religion and holiness plus sin.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 26, 2023, 10:27:55 PM

I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk

Is there any concept of Halal Casino Huh

By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

I feel concerned that some Islamic scholars have changed religious regulations based on their own opinions or reviewed something but did not relate it to the basic Islamic religious regulations that have been established, whoever says casinos are halal in Islam are a heretical group. Several other Islamic scholars in Zimbabwe must immediately correct this person's misguided opinion so that the problem must be straightened out according to Islamic rules.

All regulations in any religion must be implemented correctly and never change, replace or revise religious regulations based on personal opinion because this will cause conflict problems between religious communities.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 26, 2023, 10:27:55 PM

Is there any concept of Halal Casino Huh

Actually, we don't need to include religious elements in gambling. because I don't think it's only certain religions that prohibit gambling. All religions teach goodness, not just Islam.
and for Muslims, gambling is still not halal. whatever the concept, if it was still in the form of a game with stakes, people would call it gambling.

smart people are now trying to come up with their own theories. Even the current banking system, which is also considered haram, now has a Sharia-based banking system. after there is a halal casino claim, maybe there will also be a Sharia-based casino.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 26, 2023, 10:27:55 PM

I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk

Is there any concept of Halal Casino Huh

By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

The title of the video contains a question mark, there is a possibility that the Mufti Menk's video intends to invite discussion or try to explain well to the audience about the notion of gambling if I'm not mistaken because I don't understand the language of the video.

In Islam, gambling is something that is prohibited by law. Something that is prohibited by the law of sin because there is something that can have a bad impact on the perpetrator. I think about gambling is very clear in Islam.
If there are still gamblers who are Muslim, it is not the Islam that is at issue but the person.

Every religion does not teach bad things.

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It's really sensitive topic. This topic has a very strong relationship to the muslim. AFAIK everything related to the casino was not allowed in the islamic religion. We shall just stay away from discussing this topic as it will be a never ending discussion discussing about something that doesn't allowed in their religions but keep forcing to allow everything based on their personal idealism. The only thing that i know if casino will never be allowed for muslim.

The video was only discussing about another thing. It seems like that the title was misleading people. It's pretty much like a click bait strategy by the creator of video.

Maybe they want to insert the idea about possible betting in halal way but if you think about it more deeply its still betting so there's no way that it will be good in any form since gambling still a sin on Islam religion. I know many muslim doesn't follow this order and hide their activity to their relative but for clearly exposing this activity much better if they will not participate on any of it in public to avoid any trouble since for sure their are extreme followers criticize them for this activities.

@aubert you are absolutely right, this topic is very sensitive, we cannot intervene in other people's religions, protecting other people's feelings is very important and i am sure that there are quite a lot of members here who are various Muslims and will definitely be sensitive to discussions that are actually not important ^{(i support we have to stop it)}
Whatever your religion, gambling is a personal freedom, but you don't need to reveal it to the public because there are still many people out there who will label you as someone who is not diverse ^{(especially those who are anti-gambling)}, gamble responsibly, and consider it as entertainment.

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Quote from: Mr. Magkaisa on September 02, 2023, 07:53:18 AM

- Gambling for Muslims is a grave sin or forbidden. The only thing I don't understand is, What is the connection between halal and a casino? This is because it is said in their Quran that gambling is really forbidden. But why does it seem like it's okay here and it's not a sin anymore? Why, because that casino is halal-approved? Isn't this still a form of gambling if I look at it literally?

Doesn't it seem like they are also destroying their own beliefs or teachings for Muslims? But that's what they believe anyway, and I respect that, and that's what should be done.

I guess it could be kinda marketing trick to get non-Islamic players into a casino, as the word "Halal" means "tested, quality guaranteed" for some people.

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- Gambling for Muslims is a grave sin or forbidden. The only thing I don't understand is, What is the connection between halal and a casino? This is because it is said in their Quran that gambling is really forbidden. But why does it seem like it's okay here and it's not a sin anymore? Why, because that casino is halal-approved? Isn't this still a form of gambling if I look at it literally?

Doesn't it seem like they are also destroying their own beliefs or teachings for Muslims? But that's what they believe anyway, and I respect that, and that's what should be done.

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Quote from: Reatim on September 02, 2023, 01:14:02 AM

I believe that you are also Muslim as it is obvious in how you commented this one and truly I respect that mate , because for me in some sense , I wanted also gambling to be prohibited as nowadays gambling is not a source of happiness but of Money and risk.
in which becoming addiction for many people.
respect all muslim actually .

Yes, I think we also need to respect other Muslim friends, after all, this video doesn't actually reveal anything about halal gambling, but only an explanation while the title is just click bait, I think we understand now that gambling is strictly prohibited by Muslims, so why share something that is prohibited in their religion, gambling and religion should be separated in this forum.

To be honest, religion and gambling in this forum are not worth discussing because I know that the two are contradictory and conflicting, I also have a friend who is a devout Muslim, that is why I have never asked him to gamble because he knows that gambling is strictly prohibited by his religion. I didn't watch this video until it's finished but it really seems like we have to respect other Muslim friends.

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Quote from: Nothingtodo on August 31, 2023, 07:09:08 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 26, 2023, 10:27:55 PM

I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk

Is there any concept of Halal Casino Huh

By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

All forms of gambling and casino are totally prohibited by the Quran and Sunnah and termed as haram acts. But here the statement made by a mufti on halal casino is undoubtedly dismissive. Because according to Islamic law, gambling and casino can never be legal in the life of Muslims. Many people in the world may say many things or issue proclamations but Muslims will never accept Fatwa against Quran and Hadith.

I believe that you are also Muslim as it is obvious in how you commented this one and truly I respect that mate , because for me in some sense , I wanted also gambling to be prohibited as nowadays gambling is not a source of happiness but of Money and risk.
in which becoming addiction for many people.
respect all muslim actually .

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Quote from: so98nn on August 31, 2023, 06:05:18 AM

I dont understand this at all. So if I am going into the market and buying something with my money and getting back something of the same value is also a crime or something? Why is that not a non halal thing? Why is gambling your money is non halal now? So how do you make it halal? By spending money but not getting back anything.

I don't want to make any comment on the concept because it is way confusing than understand how black hole exists or how e=mc2 works! If in your religion it is not allowed to gamble with your money then there is no way you can gamble it. You can not just come up with an idea of halal casino just to make sure that you can play on that casino by keeping your purity or whatever you call it in your religion.

It's either allowed or it's not allowed! There is no middle way, otherwise this is not the culture that was made thousands or millions of years ago.

Within the Islamic community, there has been some movements towards finding ways to practice things which were not possible in previous centuries, Halal banking is a good example of it.

Muslims cannot charge for interest, but they managed to start banks and instead apply interest to their clients for loans, they simply call it with s different name like "fees for service* and does not apply in a percentage. So they can do banking and not be haram.

I would not be surprised if some of them are trying to apply the same principle to casinos somewhere, do they can glamble and still not to commit a sin in the eyes of Allah.

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