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Quote from: piebeyb on August 27, 2023, 02:42:22 AM

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Yes, I watched the whole video and found that the title of this video plus the thumbnail in this video does not match the content presented in the video. This is more like a clickbait title/thumbnail and there is no talk about the legit casino in this video.

Yes, maybe people immediately catch what is seen from the title that contains clickbait and are provoked by it, so they draw conclusions and immediately comment outside the actual context of the video, actually in Islam it teaches good things so always remember worship, even if you are a gambler or criminals, it's good that worship should never be abandoned because that way it will make people lose their way and make themselves worse.

Any worship will prevent us from doing something other evil in the future, maybe that's what is meant and captured from this video, acting as good people will help us become better later, therefore I can't comment much about this video before watching it's finished videos properly.

I think that is pretty much about the video, despite the inclination about gambling for the muslim faith and infact most other religions regarding to gambling but to keep the worship or prayers going on. I believe if you drop the prayer and followship because you are doing a particular sin it will lead you into deeper sins that coming out will be a longer process, that is what I understand in the video but on the other hand I'm thinking that is a subtle way to give approval to gambling by the muslim faith and not to judge or condemn theirselves yet.

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I'm not a Muslim and what he taught about his concept is for Muslim followers, since I'm a Christian I prefer to follow what my religion taught me, but like all the first who posted on this thread I thought its a casino made for Muslim only but it's more on the idea and belief, not an actual casino where Muslim can play.
The title is quite misleading there is a better title that OP can choose and it can still generate discussion, its hard to talk about gambling in religion perspective because we all have different views when it comes to religion.

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This video is very necessary for Muslims. Because it will create a new concept about casino among them. Because Islam does not support gambling. However, not only this video, but more detailed study is required to know the Muslim religious opinion about gambling. Local religious leaders can be discussed if necessary.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 26, 2023, 10:27:55 PM

Is there any concept of Halal Casino Huh

By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

No, quite simply. Gambling is not permitted in any form that anyone here would recognize. Unless they are somehow twisting the definition of a casino to match whatever profit motives they are hoping to produce from this setup. He would not be the first or last person who is trying to manipulate a religious following in order to squeeze some money out of them. I highly doubt that he is genuinely behind this, or at the very least he has engineered enough support around the top of the government of the country to get away with such things - because there is no doubt that he will be looked down upon by other muslim majority countries. He is basically doing this out of greed, if it genuinely is him behind it.

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I don't want to talk about religion because it is crucial. Now, we think logically and don't involve any religion because it depends on how we interpret it.

Playing gambling gives pleasure. We hope to get this pleasure by gambling and do not want us to forget to do other things that we have to do. But what happens is when we have had that pleasure, we still want to keep getting it and in the end we play gambling for a very long time and use more money.

The average person will play gambling for a long time and if they have other activities, they may forget about it because of the fun factor. And again, if we use a lot of money, it can disrupt our financial position where when we lose and deposit more money, we use the allocation of funds that are elsewhere and that will disrupt our financial position.

While gambling, we can forget the time and money we have used. In fact, if we can manage our time, we can do other activities and also use the money for our living needs, such as buying food or making ends meet. So we should be able to think whether gambling is good or bad for us. For halal or haram issues, it will depend on the judgment of each but Islam prohibits gambling.

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The title itself is wrong for the video because he was discussing about people's current state of mentality and saying that while looking at the negative side of a person, we should not ignore his positive side and talk about his negatives in front of him as doing so will encourage him to go far more away from Lord and involve himself into wrong deeds. However, if we speak about the title here, the casino and gambling part was just an example discussed and had nothing to do with his speech overall. And yeah, if you are a Muslim (or not) and you gamble, but you forget to pray to Lord during the times you're expected to practice, then giving such excuse that you weren't able to do that because you lost your time gambling is unacceptable, that's what he's trying to convey through his message.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 26, 2023, 10:27:55 PM

I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk

I really suggest to include a summary of the video you provides since that’s the ky to understand easily what you are to trying to emphasize on the title.

The video contains a very insightful teaching and I appreciate it well even if I’m not muslim. I was confused on the title at first then I understand what you are trying to share here by watching the video. The concept of halal casino is unorthodox yet it has a point. Being a sinner and doing more sin makes you put on an infinite loop of doing more sins. The idea of having Halal casino will makes muslim that sinning in the casino have a chance to avoid more sin by following the law on halal foods. Interesting topic.

It’s just very hard to spot one since business owner doesn’t expect much Muslim players or it might be view negatively since it might encourage some Muslim to gamble due this feature.

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This video is completely different from the video title, they gave this title with a question mark to get more views. I am not Muslim so I have no problem with gambling, but I have many Muslim friends so I know very well that gambling is forbidden for Muslims.

So there is no point in asking such questions here, Muslims who follow all the ideals of their religion never gamble, which I have seen in some of my friends. And this mufti does not call gambling halal, you should watch the video again.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 26, 2023, 10:27:55 PM

I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk

Is there any concept of Halal Casino Huh

By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

I'm not a Muslim but I have learned something from his explanation not because you are doing something that is bad you will stop doing something good that you have been doing, his explanation is very clear and backed by logic, it just justifies that because I'm gambling in a casino I should stop praying I still can pray because I feel good doing this and strengthen my belief in my faith.

We should have perspective in gambling, if we are playing just for fun, we just want to be entertained and play within our means we should not think badly about ourselves and be concerned about the judgment of people.

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I'm not muslim either, and I won't talk about the video because other members have already agreed that it doesn't talk about the topic it was supposed to talk.

About the topic, I think that it is difficult to generalise because we are talking about a religion that is open to multiple interpretations (which not?), even if it is classically clear that gambling is harem. I know a few muslims and most of them openly drink and gamble from time to time, but still pray and try to follow the guidances of the Quran; this is unconceivable in other countries, that's why I say it is difficult to generalise.

About the concept of Halal Casino itself, it reminds me when we started reading articles that tried to explain if Bitcoin could be considered halal or not. My personal point of view (while I'm very ignorant in the matter) is that cryptos could be considered halal depending on how they are used, and a casino could be halal too if there is no usury nor lust of wealth attached to it; but, could we still call it "casino" if we remove those "peculiarities"? That's what I wish I had seen in the proposed video.

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At first, I believe this topic deserves discussion, so you can move the topic to the discussion section. Honestly, the subject of the prohibition of gambling in Islamic religion has become complicated for me. There is a verse in the Quran summarizing the matter as impurity and Satan's handiwork, but religious scholars' interpretations of this verse differ. They say it's forbidden, contrary to some modernists who claim it's not forbidden but one should avoid the consequences of gambling, like theft and committing crimes. Here's a clip of Mohammad Shahrour explaining that.
https://youtu.be/qvUYG2w62Jc?si=utO71oQi-GS8iFs0

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Quote from: Taskford on August 27, 2023, 12:15:20 AM

Maybe the one running that casino just want to convince muslims to gamble to their casino for profit and they use the halal word so that they can convince muslim that they are safe to commit sin for playing on their casino. Also for those who follow the teaching of Islam will not risk to exchange their faith just to gamble and have short time glory with this casino.

Maybe you don’t really understand what he is saying, he isn’t saying gambling is hala or he isn’t encouraging anyone to gamble, in Islam, gambling is haram, and all Muslims know that. But what he is trying to say is that since gambling is haram in Islam, if you are a gambler, which all Muslims know is haram, that doesn't mean you should keep on doing other things that are also haram in Islam. You should try and stop the gambling, and you shouldn’t think about doing other things that are haram in Islam, you shouldn’t increase the sin that you are committing.

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I like to play gambling and I am a Muslim. And for whatever reason there is no such thing as sharia gambling, there is no lawful gambling "whatever the reason, gambling is still illegal"

And this is a legal stipulation that cannot be changed, this is a religious order and this rule has been stipulated in God's word. I realized that what I was doing was "gambling" which was wrong and prohibited by religion. However, I like gambling for entertainment and I also cannot justify what I have done because the provisions are clearly "haram"

Gambling is about likes and dislikes, because the sin is borne by oneself.

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I do not think this is in any way related to gambling, but rather a subtle way to spread information about the Muslim religion and how they should practice their religion.

The Muslim religion does not allow their followers to gamble, so those people should not even hang out in a gambling section of this forum. If they need answers, they must go find it in their Quran or their religious leaders. Roll Eyes

Let's just talk about gambling here... Wink

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Well, I stopped watching after 1st minute... this is not for me. Maybe some religious people have some inner confrontation about their gambling habits and they need some "clarification" from their religious representatives, but not me. I am okay with my gambling habits.

Quote from: stadus on August 27, 2023, 02:04:17 AM

Also, I don't want to debate other things; I just want to stick to gambling. To be honest, in religious debates, there is no absolute right or wrong, as both sides always want to be right.

Same here...

Let's just stick to gambling.

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I don't think gambling is halal in Islam. I am no authority but it is just common sense. Interest is no good for example and gambling is way worse than interest. However, anybody can say that it is halal to gamble and establish "halal casinos" and probably nobody is going to stop them unless they live in SA. It is probably better to leave religions out of gambling because it will make things pretty messy pretty quickly. Gambling itself is not the cleanest business in the world and mixing it with religion will only make the matters even worse. Remember we are here to make money, not to make our lives worse.

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I thought gambling is a sin, how come this is happening or this is fake? Some lives will be made through this casino and some will be ruined. That aside, OP you are promoting Roobet, that's one of the best casinos out there, why do you feel you need to try this halal casino out?

I think this video is simply telling people to intentionally commit sin since Allah is a forgiver and because we are all human we shouldn't blame anyone, I understand that no one can be perfect but I feel this is wrong, there are many crazy people in suits and the only thing keeping them from showing their craziness is word of God, now I can't imagine if this gets out in the public, it's likely going to encourage people into doing things that are sinful all because no one is perfect.

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Quote from: naira on August 27, 2023, 03:34:52 AM

We admit we are gamblers but never dare to bring up the name of a particular religion in order to justify wrong actions, because religious matters are not a realm that can be toyed with arbitrarily.

It is true. I don't know what the agenda of the video is because the content and title don't match, but I may be wrong in this matter.

We know Islam prohibits gambling. But many Muslims play gambling and they don't think about halal or haram. And it seems that the speaker also did not say clearly what a halal casino is and I think there is another intention behind the video. If we already know that gambling is haram, we don't need to gamble and even stay away from it. But if we don't think about halal or haram, it will be up to each person how best to do it.

Sometimes, we as the audience, cannot take something from what the speaker is saying because maybe what the speaker said is too difficult for the average person to understand. This is where the audience misunderstood while the speaker did not provide clarification.

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Quote from: knowngunman on August 27, 2023, 03:51:47 AM

Quote from: stadus on August 27, 2023, 02:04:17 AM

I started watching the video but didn't finish it because it didn't provide the type of explanation I was anticipating. I had hoped for a more in-depth clarification on why gambling is considered halal, but the content seemed rather general. It's possible that the video was just clickbait, as the previous poster pointed out.

Also, I don't want to debate other things; I just want to stick to gambling. To be honest, in religious debates, there is no absolute right or wrong, as both sides always want to be right.

Now you understand the motive behind the headline. Religious argument is unhealthy especially in a platform like this but tbh your first comment sounds like a mockery to a certain religion by saying halal pork. However, there are some scholars who like to deviate from general public and their gullible followers will blindly follow them else gambling can not be polish in whatever way to make it halal. I am also a gambler by the way.

Sorry if you feel like I'm mocking but I'm not.

What I'd like to point out is this: if they can reinterpret gambling as halal or permissible in English, even though it was originally preached as forbidden, then the same logic should apply to eating pork, shouldn't it? There shouldn't be any exceptions or attempts to deviate from the teachings. I'm not certain, but I'd like to conclude my opinion here.

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Quote from: stadus on August 27, 2023, 02:04:17 AM

I started watching the video but didn't finish it because it didn't provide the type of explanation I was anticipating. I had hoped for a more in-depth clarification on why gambling is considered halal, but the content seemed rather general. It's possible that the video was just clickbait, as the previous poster pointed out.

Also, I don't want to debate other things; I just want to stick to gambling. To be honest, in religious debates, there is no absolute right or wrong, as both sides always want to be right.

Now you understand the motive behind the headline. Religious argument is unhealthy especially in a platform like this but tbh your first comment sounds like a mockery to a certain religion by saying halal pork. However, there are some scholars who like to deviate from general public and their gullible followers will blindly follow them else gambling can not be polish in whatever way to make it halal. I am also a gambler by the way.

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