Topic: Concept of Halal Casino - page 6. (Read 1171 times)

All forms of gambling and casino are totally prohibited by the Quran and Sunnah and termed as haram acts. But here the statement made by a mufti on halal casino is undoubtedly dismissive. Because according to Islamic law, gambling and casino can never be legal in the life of Muslims. Many people in the world may say many things or issue proclamations but Muslims will never accept Fatwa against Quran and Hadith.

Maybe they want to insert the idea about possible betting in halal way but if you think about it more deeply its still betting so there's no way that it will be good in any form since gambling still a sin on Islam religion. I know many muslim doesn't follow this order and hide their activity to their relative but for clearly exposing this activity much better if they will not participate on any of it in public to avoid any trouble since for sure their are extreme followers criticize them for this activities.

I dont understand this at all. So if I am going into the market and buying something with my money and getting back something of the same value is also a crime or something? Why is that not a non halal thing? Why is gambling your money is non halal now? So how do you make it halal? By spending money but not getting back anything.

I don't want to make any comment on the concept because it is way confusing than understand how black hole exists or how e=mc2 works! If in your religion it is not allowed to gamble with your money then there is no way you can gamble it. You can not just come up with an idea of halal casino just to make sure that you can play on that casino by keeping your purity or whatever you call it in your religion.

It's either allowed or it's not allowed! There is no middle way, otherwise this is not the culture that was made thousands or millions of years ago.

I have not been able to watch the entire video but from what I know gambling is prohibited for those who are Muslims. If there is a scholar who says that gambling is halal, I don't know how logical it is. However, the video may not directly mention gambling as halal. Even no Muslim calls it halal. If someone tries to call it halal then it will make a big difference with the thought. Since it is a matter of religion, one should not comment on any subject directly without knowing it. But as far as I know it will never be halal for Muslims.

It's really sensitive topic. This topic has a very strong relationship to the muslim. AFAIK everything related to the casino was not allowed in the islamic religion. We shall just stay away from discussing this topic as it will be a never ending discussion discussing about something that doesn't allowed in their religions but keep forcing to allow everything based on their personal idealism. The only thing that i know if casino will never be allowed for muslim.

The video was only discussing about another thing. It seems like that the title was misleading people. It's pretty much like a click bait strategy by the creator of video.

Since Halal is all about dietary law derived from Islamic teaching[1], it is possible to have a concept of a Halal Casino even though a Casino is a place considered to be haram.  A discussion of a haram place (casino) to be halal is all about the food served in that place.  It is feasible and realistic that a casino can serve Halal-approved foods since eating has no relation to gambling activities.  So as the video is saying, gambling is one sin, and eating non-Halal-approved food is another sin. Serving Muslim gamblers with halal food in a casino prevents them from committing another sin. Although this is all about business,  committing one sin sounds much better than committing 2 sins but all in all it is much better if there is no sin committed and Muslims should follow their Islamic teaching and avoid gambling places.

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[1] https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/what-is-halal

The title of this topic really makes me a little amused, if we want to change halal or haram according to Muslim beliefs then we have to go back to the past, haha... anyway we have to respect those who adhere to the Muslim religion, for them gambling will always be haram ^{(never halal)} and the target market for gambling is not Muslims but those who really have a big interest in gambling, especially in countries where gambling is legal, therefore i do not agree with imposing halal concepts or labels on casinos.

Maybe people are saying different things here because the title of the OP is misleading if they haven't watched the video itself.
When it comes to this practice, it entirely depends on the person if he believes on this concept or not, or if he wants to live up to this belief.
If he wants to be loyal to his religion, he will do things that he thinks is necessary to reduce the supposedly "sins" he will commit upon entering a casino.
Just like mentioned, at least eat food that is halal or pray. Whatever he chooses, depends on the person himself as you can't enforce such practice to any Muslim or person. Respect is needed and the important thing is you don't step on anyone's toes.

Gambling is seen as a no-no in most religions, as it can be seen as an ungodly entertainment, tempting the gods and for Monotheistic religions, well... it is just too much fun and fun takes you apart from fear including fear of death and fear of God so it is never going to be looked in a good light. However it has been rarely prohibited ever, so I guess not halal, not haram, a sin yes, but a minor one.

This is nor a concept of hala casino. I mean, if things that are there are halal, that does not mean that gambling there should be halal too. He's just pointing out that even if a person is bad, there's still good in him. If we focus only on the bad things and treat him based on that, he will most likely give up on the good things too. That's way too dangerous.
This also doesn't mean that as a Muslim you should start gambling and think that one day you will get rid of it and ask for mercy from Allah. Doing something bad knowing it's bad will create more sims that doing it unknowingly. And if someone is doing a bad thing while also doing some good things, we should focus on their good things and encourage them on that.

But don't entirely support their bad deeds, either. Ask them time to time for them to leave those bad things.

Maybe in your jurisdiction only or in your religion, but to the most part, it was Halal or legal. The main aim of gambling is only to provide a unique entertainment experience and the real money (bets) placed by us can only be considered as service fee. There is nothing wrong with that. Also a gambling company can comply to the law or the government by paying a tax and follow their other orders like implementing a KYC. It's just that many people losses their control and starts to gamble inappropriately.

This why some thinks that gambling is bad and should be avoided at all cost. Banks on the other hand are I think also not Haram. Their main aim is for storing money only, and not a form of investment. No wonder why the returns given by them are only small but it's better than nothing. At least they are still generous to give something.

And because he has done something haram, it doesn't mean he can't do something halal. He has to do many halal things to do less haram. It takes time until eventually he can get enlightenment from God, who can make him aware of halal and haram. He can also understand that what he has been doing until now is still doing many things that are haram, so he has to stop doing what is haram and start doing halal things. And that is an effort to reduce the sins he has committed.

Did you not watch the video yourself before posting it here? Because if you do, he explains everything very clearly, and at no point in the video, he says anything about a halal casino. What he talked about in the video about casinos was that there are some regions where you can get halal food and even praying places inside the casinos, so some people say that when you are gambling, you are already sinful so you shouldn't care about halal food or praying as well.

So he explains that it is a very wrong concept where a person thinks that if he is committing one sin, he should commit other sins too but one should at least try to reduce the sins they are committing. So even if a person is gambling, he should eat food that is haram or should skip his prayers.

Halal casinos will never be accepted and will never appear, that's all because influential Muslim leaders will prohibit any casino from using the halal label because as far as I know for Muslims gambling is haram because it contains usury and also the taking of other people's money unscrupulously.

I even found an article that said about how the scholars in Saudi Arabia balked at all forms of card games or competitions,


The article above shows that whenever the halal label will not be recognized if a casino uses it, if you are determined to use the halal label in a casino then the consequences will be big for the owner of the casino business.

religion should not be mixed with gambling, unfortunately in some countries the laws were implemented based on religion, and in those countries where there are laws based on religion, they look at women as inferior beings, they look at gambling as a sin , but these same people from these Muslim countries forget that the only one who can judge people is God (according to the bible and the quran if I'm not making a mistake ), so I ask myself: who gave power to someone to become one religious leader in these muslim countries and judging other people? was it god or allāh? then Allāh came and said: Mr X from now on will be my representative on earth

you can judge whoever you want, you can condemn whoever you want, write this down, and from now on it will be the law for everyone, man, let's be honest, who has concrete evidence of that? the answer is simple: no one has proof of anything that comes from religion. let's look at gambling, who created gambling? was it the devil? Do people who are Muslim and forbid gambling have evidence that gambling is impure? If gambling is impure, then the money that comes from oil and gold is also impure. It gets to be very ironic that these leaders of Muslim countries get very rich with the oil they sell to many countries and do not take the money to improve the lives of their people

They take the money to put in their pocket, they kill anyone in their country who goes against the leader, so I ask myself: do these leaders of Muslim countries have what morality to criticize something? unfortunately people are deceived, religion is just a means to manipulate and deceive people. it has nothing to do with gambling, as long as each person is responsible and has self-control, people should be free to choose what they want to do

Yet, some of them gambles, it is even noted that some casinos were built on country where the populations are mostly muslims. Like any other people they will do it regardless of the religion they have although its very risky since some or maybe all muslim (i dont know) countries do arrest muslim that gambles, or even just promoting it^[1].

[1] https://www.nst.com.my/news/crime-courts/2023/06/920865/370-muslim-women-kedah-arrested-promoting-online-gambling-2022

now, it boils down to what they truly believe in life. halal or not. because it seems they are the ones who can truly identify the halal way of life. now, if they will just label a casino to be halal and play on it. then, it is like being a hypocrite of your own beliefs, right? just to get around about being labeled as non-halal.
at the end of the day they are the ones who can truly know what way of life is halal or not. so either they will live up to it or just making excuses so as not to label by their sins.

I can't agree more with the reply that states a casino becomes a Halal Casino if the Muslim religions stop treating gambling as a sin.  No matter what other religious activity or belief the casino offers if the establishment itself is considered to be a sin then all these offers are nothing.  This is how the "wicked" twist facts and make people believe that it is okay to use the casino establishment and sin (Muslim belief that gambling is a sin) because they have the standard food for the Muslims and a house of prayer that can accommodate their praying sessions.  

Probably that's the case here. If gambling is a sin for muslims, then I don't think it's allowed for them to create their own gambling platform. So most likely, the image of a muslim here is only being used as a model so that other muslims will also be attracted to gamble. But I don't think this will work as muslims are highly devoted to their religion, and once they start praising casinos, it's like they are putting their own religion and their own race at risk.

There is a huge demographic that can be covered with this concept however, is it really halal? I highly doubt it, and I believe that a lot of people may just end up violating the rules of their religion if they were to participate in this casino. It's good marketing and a demographic that otherwise would not have been captured, will probably be captured by this if temptation allures them...Does that make the marketing/branding right? I don't think so.