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Quote from: Ultegra134 on September 19, 2021, 08:34:02 AM

The most important is that it decreases the severity of the illness, supposing you get infected. However, I'm a living example of someone who was in close contact with a confirmed case, I am vaccinated, and he isn't. Despite the long hours and being in an indoor area, I wasn't infected. Got tested multiple times throughout the week as well.

I have the same opinion as well. Got my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine in May 2021 and I have managed to stay uninfected. Here in my country, there is no noticeable opposition to the vaccination program (unlike the case with some of the other countries). And as a result, the average number of daily deaths have remained in the 0 to 1 range for the last many months. However, since the emergence of the delta strain, there has been a surge in the number of infections. Used to be in the 20-30 range per day, but now we are witnessing close to 1,000 new cases per day. Still the higher rate of vaccination has managed to prevent the deaths.

It is the same where I am currently living, there is no direct opposition to the vaccine, there are some that are not taking the vaccine but it has to do more with ignorance than with any kind of real opposition, however the delta strain is proving to be a real issue, it seems that it is way more contagious which most likely indicates that sooner or later everyone will eventually get it, so the vaccine is key so the symptoms are mild and there are no long term effects once the body beats the disease.

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Yeah being vaccinated is now a big priority to most advanced countries so much so that people will be required to present their details of being vaccinated to do certain activities,
I think many people are genuinely confused with this situation and have no clue what to do, because they see some of the vaccinated people still contacting the virus and you wonder what is the point of being vaccinated, it is a difficult situation for everyone.

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Quote from: Ngemmeng on September 19, 2021, 12:10:34 PM

but so far there are still many people who have been vaccinated are still infected with the virus, it's just that the symptoms they experience are mild symptoms. this is a function of vaccination, in addition to reducing the risk of contracting it also reduces the risk of experiencing severe symptoms when even death when infected.

it needs to be emphasized and needs to be educated to the public because basically this vaccine is not an anti-virus which if we are vaccinated we will avoid the virus, the concept is not like that.
This vaccine is expected to reduce the effects of the existing virus, and it is still possible to be infected even though the risk can be minimized.
but what happens in society is that they have the wrong mindset about the meaning of vaccines where when there are people who have been vaccinated they are free to take any action and feel that they will not be infected, and conversely people who have not been vaccinated see those who have been vaccinated but are still infected will say that the vaccine or not is the same as being infected.

action needs to be taken to make people's mindset change first about vaccines, I think because if they understand, I don't think it will be difficult to vaccinate on a large scale because they already understand this and understand what vaccinations are for.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 19, 2021, 09:48:37 AM

Quote from: Ultegra134 on September 19, 2021, 08:34:02 AM

The most important is that it decreases the severity of the illness, supposing you get infected. However, I'm a living example of someone who was in close contact with a confirmed case, I am vaccinated, and he isn't. Despite the long hours and being in an indoor area, I wasn't infected. Got tested multiple times throughout the week as well.

I have the same opinion as well. Got my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine in May 2021 and I have managed to stay uninfected. Here in my country, there is no noticeable opposition to the vaccination program (unlike the case with some of the other countries). And as a result, the average number of daily deaths have remained in the 0 to 1 range for the last many months. However, since the emergence of the delta strain, there has been a surge in the number of infections. Used to be in the 20-30 range per day, but now we are witnessing close to 1,000 new cases per day. Still the higher rate of vaccination has managed to prevent the deaths.

but so far there are still many people who have been vaccinated are still infected with the virus, it's just that the symptoms they experience are mild symptoms. this is a function of vaccination, in addition to reducing the risk of contracting it also reduces the risk of experiencing severe symptoms when even death when infected.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 19, 2021, 09:48:37 AM

Quote from: Ultegra134 on September 19, 2021, 08:34:02 AM

The most important is that it decreases the severity of the illness, supposing you get infected. However, I'm a living example of someone who was in close contact with a confirmed case, I am vaccinated, and he isn't. Despite the long hours and being in an indoor area, I wasn't infected. Got tested multiple times throughout the week as well.

I have the same opinion as well. Got my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine in May 2021 and I have managed to stay uninfected. Here in my country, there is no noticeable opposition to the vaccination program (unlike the case with some of the other countries). And as a result, the average number of daily deaths have remained in the 0 to 1 range for the last many months. However, since the emergence of the delta strain, there has been a surge in the number of infections. Used to be in the 20-30 range per day, but now we are witnessing close to 1,000 new cases per day. Still the higher rate of vaccination has managed to prevent the deaths.

I wish the same thing occurred here too, there's a large amount of people who are against the Covid-19 vaccine. The percentage of fully vaccinated people over 18, is a tad over 60%, which isn't that bad, but certainly not enough to achieve immunity. I've also noticed that the number of deaths are significantly lower, especially in countries with higher vaccination coverage.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on September 19, 2021, 08:34:02 AM

The most important is that it decreases the severity of the illness, supposing you get infected. However, I'm a living example of someone who was in close contact with a confirmed case, I am vaccinated, and he isn't. Despite the long hours and being in an indoor area, I wasn't infected. Got tested multiple times throughout the week as well.

I have the same opinion as well. Got my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine in May 2021 and I have managed to stay uninfected. Here in my country, there is no noticeable opposition to the vaccination program (unlike the case with some of the other countries). And as a result, the average number of daily deaths have remained in the 0 to 1 range for the last many months. However, since the emergence of the delta strain, there has been a surge in the number of infections. Used to be in the 20-30 range per day, but now we are witnessing close to 1,000 new cases per day. Still the higher rate of vaccination has managed to prevent the deaths.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 18, 2021, 10:28:27 PM

Quote from: jaysabi on September 18, 2021, 05:04:59 PM

Because reducing the number of infection vectors is a major part of defeating the virus. The more people who are vaccinated, the fewer bodies the virus can propagate in. Vaccines, masking, social distance- all three of these reduce infections. It's insane at this point there are still people who don't understand how this works, but that's exactly why the world is still as bad off as it is- people who question why vaccines are necessary or why there are mask mandates. You're very clearly part of the problem.

There are two things here. First of all, the vaccinated people have a lower probability of getting the infection. Even with the delta strain, the Moderna vaccine has reported an efficacy of 76%. Other vaccines like AstraZeneca and Sputnik V have also reported >50% efficacy against this strain. And that is the first thing. Secondly, even if someone gets infected after vaccination, he is much less likely to spread the virus to others when compared to the unvaccinated people. So the real impact is not 76%, but much higher than that.

The most important is that it decreases the severity of the illness, supposing you get infected. However, I'm a living example of someone who was in close contact with a confirmed case, I am vaccinated, and he isn't. Despite the long hours and being in an indoor area, I wasn't infected. Got tested multiple times throughout the week as well.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 18, 2021, 10:28:27 PM

Quote from: jaysabi on September 18, 2021, 05:04:59 PM

Because reducing the number of infection vectors is a major part of defeating the virus. The more people who are vaccinated, the fewer bodies the virus can propagate in. Vaccines, masking, social distance- all three of these reduce infections. It's insane at this point there are still people who don't understand how this works, but that's exactly why the world is still as bad off as it is- people who question why vaccines are necessary or why there are mask mandates. You're very clearly part of the problem.

There are two things here. First of all, the vaccinated people have a lower probability of getting the infection. Even with the delta strain, the Moderna vaccine has reported an efficacy of 76%. Other vaccines like AstraZeneca and Sputnik V have also reported >50% efficacy against this strain. And that is the first thing. Secondly, even if someone gets infected after vaccination, he is much less likely to spread the virus to others when compared to the unvaccinated people. So the real impact is not 76%, but much higher than that.

Vaccination program has become mandatory by now because its the most proven solution not to get infected with the virus. And if he will be infected, the symptoms are not that strong compared to non- vaccinated people. So i don't see any valid reasons that people should not comply with it. But if a certain individual will really stand on his decision not to be vaccinated, then let's just respect his decision.

I also think some people refuse to be vaccinated because of the thought that they own their body so they have all the right to take responsibility on it. If they think that their immune system is strong enough to fight the virus, then it will be a big trouble if medical practitioners still force them to do so.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 18, 2021, 10:28:27 PM

Quote from: jaysabi on September 18, 2021, 05:04:59 PM

Because reducing the number of infection vectors is a major part of defeating the virus. The more people who are vaccinated, the fewer bodies the virus can propagate in. Vaccines, masking, social distance- all three of these reduce infections. It's insane at this point there are still people who don't understand how this works, but that's exactly why the world is still as bad off as it is- people who question why vaccines are necessary or why there are mask mandates. You're very clearly part of the problem.

There are two things here. First of all, the vaccinated people have a lower probability of getting the infection. Even with the delta strain, the Moderna vaccine has reported an efficacy of 76%. Other vaccines like AstraZeneca and Sputnik V have also reported >50% efficacy against this strain. And that is the first thing. Secondly, even if someone gets infected after vaccination, he is much less likely to spread the virus to others when compared to the unvaccinated people. So the real impact is not 76%, but much higher than that.

Request - do not popularize drugs without proven effectiveness. This is me talking about Sputnik 5, which since the creation of this so-called "vaccine", in no way has been able to provide a standard set of data for certification, and even under a simplified scheme. Moreover, the other day even the President of Russia officially said that he was retiring for self-isolation, after it turned out that one of the entourage was vaccinated Sputnik 5, but got sick, because the satellite's effectiveness is "not yet confirmed." Several other high-ranking officials from the Russian Federation, having been vaccinated, died as a result of the disease Covid19 - the data is available in open sources. Therefore, this brew cannot be called a vaccine, and any advertisement for it cannot be created. There is a list of vaccines accepted in the world, whose effect is proven, and they are available on the market.

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Quote from: jaysabi on September 18, 2021, 05:04:59 PM

Because reducing the number of infection vectors is a major part of defeating the virus. The more people who are vaccinated, the fewer bodies the virus can propagate in. Vaccines, masking, social distance- all three of these reduce infections. It's insane at this point there are still people who don't understand how this works, but that's exactly why the world is still as bad off as it is- people who question why vaccines are necessary or why there are mask mandates. You're very clearly part of the problem.

There are two things here. First of all, the vaccinated people have a lower probability of getting the infection. Even with the delta strain, the Moderna vaccine has reported an efficacy of 76%. Other vaccines like AstraZeneca and Sputnik V have also reported >50% efficacy against this strain. And that is the first thing. Secondly, even if someone gets infected after vaccination, he is much less likely to spread the virus to others when compared to the unvaccinated people. So the real impact is not 76%, but much higher than that.

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Quote from: Gyfts on September 17, 2021, 03:34:26 PM

I'm not sure why there's such a large push for vaccine mandates when the vaccine works on an individual basis. Whether someone else gets vaccinated has no effect on you, yet they expect you to talk around triple masked after vaxxed, or might impose regulation on businesses when case counts go up? It's nonsense, and there isn't any actual science behind it. Covid is just going to keep mutating and it seems seasonal lockdowns might be a thing and more probable than a forced vaccine program.

Because reducing the number of infection vectors is a major part of defeating the virus. The more people who are vaccinated, the fewer bodies the virus can propagate in. Vaccines, masking, social distance- all three of these reduce infections. It's insane at this point there are still people who don't understand how this works, but that's exactly why the world is still as bad off as it is- people who question why vaccines are necessary or why there are mask mandates. You're very clearly part of the problem.

And we feel sorry for those who don't understand the difference between unvaccinated person getting the virus vs vaccinated one. It reduces the risk of people dying, as opposed to those who don't want or don't believed in vaccine and its good effect. I've seen people around me dead because they are unvaccinated, just sad but that's the way it is. I'm fully vaccinated now, everyone of us, the whole family and the good thing is that it's free, so I don't understand why there are still people not wanting to get it, until its too late.

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Quote from: Gyfts on September 17, 2021, 03:34:26 PM

I'm not sure why there's such a large push for vaccine mandates when the vaccine works on an individual basis. Whether someone else gets vaccinated has no effect on you, yet they expect you to talk around triple masked after vaxxed, or might impose regulation on businesses when case counts go up? It's nonsense, and there isn't any actual science behind it. Covid is just going to keep mutating and it seems seasonal lockdowns might be a thing and more probable than a forced vaccine program.

Because reducing the number of infection vectors is a major part of defeating the virus. The more people who are vaccinated, the fewer bodies the virus can propagate in. Vaccines, masking, social distance- all three of these reduce infections. It's insane at this point there are still people who don't understand how this works, but that's exactly why the world is still as bad off as it is- people who question why vaccines are necessary or why there are mask mandates. You're very clearly part of the problem.

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Vaccination is carried out with the aim of creating herd immunity. because the world's government hopes that everyone can be immune to the covid 19 virus. This also has an impact on global economic growth, I think that accelerated vaccination will make the global economy better and the business sector around the world will improve. and this will also have a positive effect on the crypto market

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I was one of the first in my age group (18-24) that got vaccinated when the platform launched. I'm not against measures taken towards the dichotomy of vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

Every healthy individual should get vaccinated, I don't see why not, vaccination not only decreases the severity of the illness in case you get infected but also decreases the chance of infection.

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Quote from: Gyfts on September 17, 2021, 03:34:26 PM

I'm not sure why there's such a large push for vaccine mandates when the vaccine works on an individual basis. Whether someone else gets vaccinated has no effect on you, yet they expect you to talk around triple masked after vaxxed, or might impose regulation on businesses when case counts go up? It's nonsense, and there isn't any actual science behind it. Covid is just going to keep mutating and it seems seasonal lockdowns might be a thing and more probable than a forced vaccine program.

They hiding behind the fact that the virus are spreading through airborne and spreading really fast and the only way to protect people from it just with vaccinated. Maybe there are already many people knows that must be something wrong with this pandemic when the virus is spreading so fast and not long after the pandemic starts, the vaccined is created which is so fast if we compared to other vaccine which need a long time research.
So i think this is a new normal that already created by someone and no way to avoid it, just take it as a destiny and live the live a head with no hate.

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Quote from: Rasa nanas on September 18, 2021, 10:16:36 AM

those who refuse vaccination do not believe in the existence of this virus or they underestimate this virus. people who know how dangerous this virus is will gladly accept the vaccination. someone who has been vaccinated can still transmit the COVID-19 virus but the chances are lower. I think that the imposition of mandatory vaccination regulations is the right policy so that herd immunity is quickly formed and this pandemic ends.

but I think people who reject vaccines actually don't believe in the existence of covid, but they just need a deeper approach because because of ignorance, feeling unfamiliar, unpredictable, natural, it's very natural for them to react like that because it was claimed when the vaccine started In fact, no one can claim that the vaccination can inhibit the virus.
but if you look at it now and the vaccination has been tested even though it is not 100 percent because in medicine there is no such thing as 100 percent but it is proven effective and there is no reason for them to refuse.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 17, 2021, 10:11:09 PM

Quote from: Gyfts on September 17, 2021, 03:34:26 PM

I'm not sure why there's such a large push for vaccine mandates when the vaccine works on an individual basis. Whether someone else gets vaccinated has no effect on you, yet they expect you to talk around triple masked after vaxxed, or might impose regulation on businesses when case counts go up? It's nonsense, and there isn't any actual science behind it. Covid is just going to keep mutating and it seems seasonal lockdowns might be a thing and more probable than a forced vaccine program.

Almost 5 million deaths till now (99% of them unvaccinated), and you still think that mandatory vaccination is a bad idea? And I disagree with your first part. Whether someone else get vaccinated or not will have a big impact on me. If people in my neighborhood are vaccinated, it will reduce the spread of the pandemic by 95% or more. In my country, only 14% of the population has been completely vaccinated till now. And here on average 200-400 deaths are being reported everyday. I would say that the government is struggling to contain the pandemic, because large sections of the population are refusing to get vaccinated.

those who refuse vaccination do not believe in the existence of this virus or they underestimate this virus. people who know how dangerous this virus is will gladly accept the vaccination. someone who has been vaccinated can still transmit the COVID-19 virus but the chances are lower. I think that the imposition of mandatory vaccination regulations is the right policy so that herd immunity is quickly formed and this pandemic ends.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on September 13, 2021, 01:05:17 AM

Most people that have not had any of the vaccines have not had a strong reason to, that's why they are being hypocrites of some sorts.

I too hate such people who don't have a strong reason to not get vaccinated but still spreading hate about vaccination. I respect anyone who doesn't want to get vaccinated but spreading hate and false information is really a plague mentality.

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Imagine getting your dream job or finally getting a visa to go to your dream country and its a strong criteria to have been vaccinated or have had at least a shot?

It's more like karma to me than anything else. Imagine spreading lies about vaccination your whole life only to get denied a dream job because of it. I am not sure why there are so many conspiracies against vaccination when these guys were insulting the government's inability to fight the virus spread initially.

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Quote from: Gyfts on September 17, 2021, 03:34:26 PM

I'm not sure why there's such a large push for vaccine mandates when the vaccine works on an individual basis. Whether someone else gets vaccinated has no effect on you, yet they expect you to talk around triple masked after vaxxed, or might impose regulation on businesses when case counts go up? It's nonsense, and there isn't any actual science behind it. Covid is just going to keep mutating and it seems seasonal lockdowns might be a thing and more probable than a forced vaccine program.

Almost 5 million deaths till now (99% of them unvaccinated), and you still think that mandatory vaccination is a bad idea? And I disagree with your first part. Whether someone else get vaccinated or not will have a big impact on me. If people in my neighborhood are vaccinated, it will reduce the spread of the pandemic by 95% or more. In my country, only 14% of the population has been completely vaccinated till now. And here on average 200-400 deaths are being reported everyday. I would say that the government is struggling to contain the pandemic, because large sections of the population are refusing to get vaccinated.

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I'm not sure why there's such a large push for vaccine mandates when the vaccine works on an individual basis. Whether someone else gets vaccinated has no effect on you, yet they expect you to talk around triple masked after vaxxed, or might impose regulation on businesses when case counts go up? It's nonsense, and there isn't any actual science behind it. Covid is just going to keep mutating and it seems seasonal lockdowns might be a thing and more probable than a forced vaccine program.

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