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Quote from: ZaraCB on September 13, 2021, 07:31:26 AM

Covid 19 vaccination is necessary not only for oneself but also our family and society. There are some uneducated people in our country who are afraid to get vaccinated. But now they have to show the vaccination card to enter various educational institutions, banks, govt offices. As a result, they have been forced to vaccinate.

OK.. at least in your country the uneducated people are showing reluctance to get vaccinated. I have heard that in countries like Russia and India, even sections of educated public are staying away from vaccination. There are a lot of rumors circulating around, and this has created fear and uncertainty in the minds of people. In Russia for example, only of the 27% population has got vaccinated, despite they being one of the leading manufacturers of the vaccine. And the mortality has stayed closed to 1,000 per day in the recent months.

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Covid 19 vaccination is necessary not only for oneself but also our family and society. There are some uneducated people in our country who are afraid to get vaccinated. But now they have to show the vaccination card to enter various educational institutions, banks, govt offices. As a result, they have been forced to vaccinate.

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I understand why the government is eager for everyone to get vaccinated, it can protect us from illness not only from covid. But they must also respect the rights of people to refuse to get vaccinated for a certain reason. I got vaccinated (pfizer) already because it is advisable here though it is not mandatory yet. They cant take away the worries of people who are hesitant to get the vaccine especially that there are possible side effects which can complicate your existing illness (if there is).

i support vaccination but i don't support mandatory vaccines for all citizens because there are still many who can't get vaccines because they have congenital or other diseases. if the vaccine card is required how can those who can't get the vaccine do their usual activities!

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Of course this makes it difficult for everyone, the covid passport is not effective to prevent us from the covid virus, I'm afraid the covid passport is used as a business and political tool to regulate our freedom, of course we have to oppose restrictive rules such as the application of the covid passport.

this is also one of our worries during the demonstration, the corruptors take advantage of this loophole to enrich themselves and make it their dirty business.

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Sad but true, though the government assures that vaccination is not compulsory if we look at the establishment, they will require a vaccination card before you can enter the place as it's the standard set by the owners. How would anyone enjoy freedom if that's the rule? the government did not directly say it's compulsory but in reality, it is, I'm expressing my opinion based on my experience in our country.

I can truly attest to that because that's already happening in our country too. Even when it comes to public vehicles and services, passengers are required to show their vaccination card and a negative result of rapid antigen test particularly if you came from other municipalities or cities. We cannot longer enjoy our lives with this kind of governance as if those who are not vaccinated are being deprived from our privileges.

I get much affected with this type of government because i am not yet vaccinated, so other people who are fully vaccinated are acting like they want to avoid those non vaccinated ones. This is the sad reality of what is happening now.

I understand the action of the government, they are just protecting the interest of the majority as no government could serve everyone's interest since as a human, we have different beliefs and principle. Actually, there is some news that vaccines could also destroy the health of some people, and worst they die from it, so most probably that's the fear of people who are still unvaccinated now.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on September 11, 2021, 08:01:53 AM

I now see a situation that the world is changing and is coming to a level where if you don't have a covid-19 vaccination clearence or means to verify that you have been vaccinated or have received the latest jab of the vaccine, you won't be allowed to buy or sell. I had in my mind that face mask was going to play this "devil's advocate" but no, the vaccination is getting serious with huge restrictions and therefore looking like it is the devil's advocate.

The idea of vaccination is a good one, but I don’t think it is something that they have to force people to do. Getting vaccinated should be something of choice, you should decide whether you want to do it or not, if you want to do it then you can go ahead and get vaccinated and if not you can leave it. They shouldn’t be forcing anyone to get vaccinated, and more of a lot of people are scared and they don’t trust whether they vaccine is reliable or not and the after effects of it is what you don’t know.

We have heard a lot of bad stories about the vaccines and the kind of effects they had on some people, although I can’t really say for sure if all those stories are true or not.

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Some factories and companies need to be vaccinated before you can enter. Some factories are strict and you still need to continue to wear a mask even after you get vaccinated and enter the factory. Protect the health and safety of yourself and others.
Vaccination is also a good thing for all of us. Can strengthen our immunity. After vaccination, you can enter and exit shopping malls or public places at will (even if you don't wear a mask). Vaccination has become a standard.

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i took part in a demonstration against the "covid passport" in my country....how can we all live comfortably if the latest requirement to enter work, travel or go to the mall is to have a vaccine card? The crisis we are experiencing is really serious, succeed or not together we must reject things that limit our human rights as human beings, especially in this pandemic period.

Of course this makes it difficult for everyone, the covid passport is not effective to prevent us from the covid virus, I'm afraid the covid passport is used as a business and political tool to regulate our freedom, of course we have to oppose restrictive rules such as the application of the covid passport.

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Quote from: monineklutak on September 13, 2021, 01:50:01 AM

Regarding vaccines, especially Sinovac, why do you say that it's useless because honestly I don't know much about the vaccine.
what I know is that the side effects of getting vaccinated are just like a normal fever and that seems normal so there's no need to worry,
What is clear is that we should not easily believe the information circulating out there regarding vaccines

Even I don't have a good opinion about Sinovac, because the countries that used these vaccine have witnessed huge spikes in new infections. Many of these countries, such as Turkey and Chile are now offering booster shots with another vaccine (AstraZeneca or Pfizer) to improve the protection level. That said, I have to admit that getting vaccinated with Sinovac is much better than staying unvaccinated. And right now Sinovac seems to be the only brand which can maintain large supplies without interruption.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on September 11, 2021, 08:01:53 AM

I now see a situation that the world is changing and is coming to a level where if you don't have a covid-19 vaccination clearence or means to verify that you have been vaccinated or have received the latest jab of the vaccine, you won't be allowed to buy or sell.

Many Economies of countries in the world barely survived the pandemic, countries were thrown into debt from borrowing from the international community to build large quarantine centers, get ventilators which were in a limited supply, get medical kits, and even the cost of treating one infected citizen. Because having the covid virus makes you not just a danger to yourself but the public, the decision to be vaccinated has to be mandatory.

Most people that have not had any of the vaccines have not had a strong reason to, that's why they are being hypocrites of some sorts.

Imagine getting your dream job or finally getting a visa to go to your dream country and its a strong criteria to have been vaccinated or have had at least a shot?

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my first injection was Sinovac then the second one was AstraZeneca
the effect that arises from the Astra injection is very strong compared to Sinovac even I have a fever 1 day after receiving the Astra injection

We certainly hope that the effects on our bodies in the future don't exist and hopefully the issues that are developing about genetic change don't happen so that our lives can return to normal

Sinovac is essentially useless, so I am glad that you went for AstraZeneca. There will be some minor side effect, like fever and body-pain, but that is much better than getting hospitalized with COVID 19. I am surprised by your claim of genetic change. We undergo vaccination every now and then. Vaccination eradicated dreaded diseases such as small pox and polio. Apart from few unfounded rumors, there have been no reports of serious side effects from these vaccines. A few cartels are spreading misinformation about the vaccines, and that is it.

Regarding vaccines, especially Sinovac, why do you say that it's useless because honestly I don't know much about the vaccine.
what I know is that the side effects of getting vaccinated are just like a normal fever and that seems normal so there's no need to worry,
What is clear is that we should not easily believe the information circulating out there regarding vaccines

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Quote from: Tumanggor on September 12, 2021, 07:15:41 PM

my first injection was Sinovac then the second one was AstraZeneca
the effect that arises from the Astra injection is very strong compared to Sinovac even I have a fever 1 day after receiving the Astra injection

I don't know, but is that really okay If you took the 1st dose from different brand and another brand for the 2nd dose? Is that recommended?
I mean this vaccines might contain vital contents that may trigger hidden illnesses.
I'm not sure, I'm not expert. I just want to make sure as I'm about to have my 2nd dose 2 weeks from now and I want the same vaccine brand from my 1st.

Whether we like it or not, the vaccine will soon become compulsory and it will be a requirement when we're traveling or entering a building.
However, people who don't want to get vaccinated can tamper a fake vaccination documents.

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i took part in a demonstration against the "covid passport" in my country....how can we all live comfortably if the latest requirement to enter work, travel or go to the mall is to have a vaccine card? The crisis we are experiencing is really serious, succeed or not together we must reject things that limit our human rights as human beings, especially in this pandemic period.

I understand why the government is eager for everyone to get vaccinated, it can protect us from illness not only from covid. But they must also respect the rights of people to refuse to get vaccinated for a certain reason. I got vaccinated (pfizer) already because it is advisable here though it is not mandatory yet. They cant take away the worries of people who are hesitant to get the vaccine especially that there are possible side effects which can complicate your existing illness (if there is).

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Quote from: Tumanggor on September 12, 2021, 07:15:41 PM

my first injection was Sinovac then the second one was AstraZeneca
the effect that arises from the Astra injection is very strong compared to Sinovac even I have a fever 1 day after receiving the Astra injection

We certainly hope that the effects on our bodies in the future don't exist and hopefully the issues that are developing about genetic change don't happen so that our lives can return to normal

Sinovac is essentially useless, so I am glad that you went for AstraZeneca. There will be some minor side effect, like fever and body-pain, but that is much better than getting hospitalized with COVID 19. I am surprised by your claim of genetic change. We undergo vaccination every now and then. Vaccination eradicated dreaded diseases such as small pox and polio. Apart from few unfounded rumors, there have been no reports of serious side effects from these vaccines. A few cartels are spreading misinformation about the vaccines, and that is it.

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My friend living in Canada claims that the country is only accepting citizens with their preferred vaccine brand. I don't know if that's true but I think it is more of discrimination for me compare to not having a vaccine.

Here in our country, it's now slowly turning into a mandatory requirement in just another way. Not because we are forced to undergo vaccine but requirements for leisure travel for example now requires a vaccination card instead of a test that you are negative. Some establishments are also reported to have that vaccination as a requirement too before entering their place so that their operation will be continuing and no need for temporary close.

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Quote from: pinggoki on September 12, 2021, 02:52:31 PM

Forcing it is the only way you can get people to listen,

And how has to worked out so far? Aren't we getting protest from the citizens instead of listening. The forcing makes it look like there are other propaganda been pushed by the government and conspiracy theories are spreading all over the internet daily and this is also discouraging people from getting vaccinated.
I see conspiracy theories of the government putting chips to control the minds of vaccinated citizens and the mark of the breast from the bible theories etc. I even see video of users that are vaccinated putting phones and other metallic material on the spot they got vaccinated and it gets magnetized, what about the bill gates conspiracy theories (lets not just go there).
All this won't have played out if the government had just gone easy on the citizens, I understand that the pandemic was disastrous to every county's economy and the government are trying to prevent that from happening again but enforcing rules on humans like a dictator has not always been the best way to go about things.

Unfortunately, there are some things that the government may be forced to do even by dictatorial methods. You can propagandize the population to get vaccinated as much as you want and expect consciousness, but it is worth considering the fact that it takes invaluable time and if you do not vaccinate at least two-thirds of the population quickly enough, then we can get a situation where the virus mutates and a version of the virus that is not susceptible to already released vaccines will spread among the population. Conspiracy theories will always circulate among a certain part of the population and there is nothing you can do about it . The most important thing is that these theories do not capture the confidence of the majority of the population, because the psychology of the crowd sometimes leads to disastrous consequences. Therefore, a combination of incentives and a certain amount of coercion is needed if the situation gets out of control.

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In our country all employees are required to be vaccinated, if they are not vaccinated, they cannot get a job or are fired

I have just finished the first dose of Astra vaccine, in my country it is not clear whether vaccination is compulsory or not, but we consider this as a guarantee to protect the health of individuals and communities. The company that I work for considers it the consciousness of its employees. It is not only a criterion but more importantly an obligation and responsibility for the risks that may arise from the huge consequences of covid19.

my first injection was Sinovac then the second one was AstraZeneca
the effect that arises from the Astra injection is very strong compared to Sinovac even I have a fever 1 day after receiving the Astra injection

We certainly hope that the effects on our bodies in the future don't exist and hopefully the issues that are developing about genetic change don't happen so that our lives can return to normal

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Quote from: pinggoki on September 12, 2021, 02:52:31 PM

Forcing it is the only way you can get people to listen,

And how has to worked out so far? Aren't we getting protest from the citizens instead of listening. The forcing makes it look like there are other propaganda been pushed by the government and conspiracy theories are spreading all over the internet daily and this is also discouraging people from getting vaccinated.

I see conspiracy theories of the government putting chips to control the minds of vaccinated citizens and the mark of the breast from the bible theories etc. I even see video of users that are vaccinated putting phones and other metallic material on the spot they got vaccinated and it gets magnetized, what about the bill gates conspiracy theories (lets not just go there).

All this won't have played out if the government had just gone easy on the citizens, I understand that the pandemic was disastrous to every county's economy and the government are trying to prevent that from happening again but enforcing rules on humans like a dictator has not always been the best way to go about things.

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Quote from: mirakal on September 12, 2021, 05:26:32 PM

Sad but true, though the government assures that vaccination is not compulsory if we look at the establishment, they will require a vaccination card before you can enter the place as it's the standard set by the owners. How would anyone enjoy freedom if that's the rule? the government did not directly say it's compulsory but in reality, it is, I'm expressing my opinion based on my experience in our country.

I can truly attest to that because that's already happening in our country too. Even when it comes to public vehicles and services, passengers are required to show their vaccination card and a negative result of rapid antigen test particularly if you came from other municipalities or cities. We cannot longer enjoy our lives with this kind of governance as if those who are not vaccinated are being deprived from our privileges.

I get much affected with this type of government because i am not yet vaccinated, so other people who are fully vaccinated are acting like they want to avoid those non vaccinated ones. This is the sad reality of what is happening now.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on September 11, 2021, 08:01:53 AM

This is more serious with America taking such steps to ensure compliance , more countries will follow this direction and gradually it will get to smaller businesses, SMEs and then to restrictions on entering banks, malls, fuels stations and etc which will replace face mask.

I don't think it's going to go that far in the US, though I wouldn't rule anything out with Biden as president. But yeah, government employees and a lot of other people are going to either have to get vaccinated or submit to weekly testing. Don't forget about that latter part, because at present it's an option for those who don't want the vaccine.

The good thing is that this is being challenged in the media and (hopefully) in the courts. The bad thing is that there is a legal precedent for the government mandating vaccination, dating back to 1905 if I've got my date correct. That was to prevent the spread of smallpox, and if I were living back then I'd get the vaccination with no hesitation. Smallpox is no joke--but COVID? The fact is that most people who get it have mild symptoms and recover just fine. The severity of COVID infection is nowhere near that of smallpox.

Quote from: Oceat on September 12, 2021, 05:16:35 PM

The world may be divided with vaccinated and non-vaccinated while only those who have done their vaccination will only be able to get inside the mall, banks or any establishment.

Where is that currently happening? It sure isn't in the US. Hell, most people don't even visit malls anymore, so I wouldn't worry about that. And banking can easily be done online. It's the requirement for employment that's a bitch, IMO.

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Sad but true, though the government assures that vaccination is not compulsory if we look at the establishment, they will require a vaccination card before you can enter the place as it's the standard set by the owners. How would anyone enjoy freedom if that's the rule? the government did not directly say it's compulsory but in reality, it is, I'm expressing my opinion based on my experience in our country.

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