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Topic: Craig W. only claims to be Satoshi, because he knows the real Satoshi is dead? - page 10. (Read 15271 times)

legendary
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Sidenote: you saw CW at the presentation the other day, where he was talking utter nonsense? This guy is definitely not Satoshi.

Of course he is not Satoshi. My point is he was close to Satoshi which might have given him some of the information which only Satoshi would have known. And he also knows that real Satoshi is no more and he is trying to use it to his advantage.


If Craig Wright had the private key to the first block the it's very clear he is Satoshi. What more proof do you need?
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No, someone who is/was very close to Satoshi may successfully obtain a key or two that belonged to real Satoshi. We need more proof, not just one key.

I got your point (presentation topic was just a little side talk. Watch it. Funny stuff) and I also think, that this theory fits well, but I don't think, that CW has recieved any key from SN. Which still makes me wonder how CW convinced Gavin, who certainly knew, that he would play with his reputation. Reason enough for a smart guy, to securely veryfy CW's claims, before going public with a statement like "I believe CW is Satoshi Nakamoto". And the truth is: Gavin messed up pretty bad. The reason for that must have been worth losing his reputation. I think, that both, Gavin and Craig are lying.


The theory of Gavin Andresen being part of the psyOPs operation to pass Craig Steven Wright as Satoshi Nakamoto in order to brainwash the masses into supporting their forks is very valid. Gavin Andresen started doing a 180 on his views after the CIA visit and Satoshi disappeared after his CIA visit... connect the dots.

Gavin and Craig are partners in bitcoin-crime.

Are you saying Satoshi was taken out {RIP} because they wanted to take control? I doubt if these extreme measures was

considered to take control over something that they could stop by just using the judicial system. It would also not be for

financial gain, because bitcoins were worthless back then. Interesting thought process.  Wink


It was too late for them to kill Bitcoin. Once the code is out there, it's game over for them. Just like Tor, they couldn't stop it after the code was released and people ran nodes. They knew about this, so they want to manipulate it and keep it alive under their own terms. This is why they want to make the blocks huge, so the people can't run nodes.

I don't know if Satoshi was killed, but Craig Wright is an obvious actor/agent of sorts trying to pass as Satoshi, and I doubt they would do that if they didn't knew Satoshi was either dead or captured. Make of that what you will.
legendary
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Sidenote: you saw CW at the presentation the other day, where he was talking utter nonsense? This guy is definitely not Satoshi.

Of course he is not Satoshi. My point is he was close to Satoshi which might have given him some of the information which only Satoshi would have known. And he also knows that real Satoshi is no more and he is trying to use it to his advantage.


If Craig Wright had the private key to the first block the it's very clear he is Satoshi. What more proof do you need?
...

No, someone who is/was very close to Satoshi may successfully obtain a key or two that belonged to real Satoshi. We need more proof, not just one key.

I got your point (presentation topic was just a little side talk. Watch it. Funny stuff) and I also think, that this theory fits well, but I don't think, that CW has recieved any key from SN. Which still makes me wonder how CW convinced Gavin, who certainly knew, that he would play with his reputation. Reason enough for a smart guy, to securely veryfy CW's claims, before going public with a statement like "I believe CW is Satoshi Nakamoto". And the truth is: Gavin messed up pretty bad. The reason for that must have been worth losing his reputation. I think, that both, Gavin and Craig are lying.


The theory of Gavin Andresen being part of the psyOPs operation to pass Craig Steven Wright as Satoshi Nakamoto in order to brainwash the masses into supporting their forks is very valid. Gavin Andresen started doing a 180 on his views after the CIA visit and Satoshi disappeared after his CIA visit... connect the dots.

Gavin and Craig are partners in bitcoin-crime.

Are you saying Satoshi was taken out {RIP} because they wanted to take control? I doubt if these extreme measures was

considered to take control over something that they could stop by just using the judicial system. It would also not be for

financial gain, because bitcoins were worthless back then. Interesting thought process.  Wink
hero member
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Wasn't there something with a patent application Craig and some partners filed shortly after claiming to be Satoshi?
I think I have read something like that in the news and it was discussed here as well.
It all seemd to be some big publicity action to support his claim to get those patents that were about blockchain technology, if I remember correctly.
legendary
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Sidenote: you saw CW at the presentation the other day, where he was talking utter nonsense? This guy is definitely not Satoshi.

Of course he is not Satoshi. My point is he was close to Satoshi which might have given him some of the information which only Satoshi would have known. And he also knows that real Satoshi is no more and he is trying to use it to his advantage.


If Craig Wright had the private key to the first block the it's very clear he is Satoshi. What more proof do you need?
...

No, someone who is/was very close to Satoshi may successfully obtain a key or two that belonged to real Satoshi. We need more proof, not just one key.

I got your point (presentation topic was just a little side talk. Watch it. Funny stuff) and I also think, that this theory fits well, but I don't think, that CW has recieved any key from SN. Which still makes me wonder how CW convinced Gavin, who certainly knew, that he would play with his reputation. Reason enough for a smart guy, to securely veryfy CW's claims, before going public with a statement like "I believe CW is Satoshi Nakamoto". And the truth is: Gavin messed up pretty bad. The reason for that must have been worth losing his reputation. I think, that both, Gavin and Craig are lying.


The theory of Gavin Andresen being part of the psyOPs operation to pass Craig Steven Wright as Satoshi Nakamoto in order to brainwash the masses into supporting their forks is very valid. Gavin Andresen started doing a 180 on his views after the CIA visit and Satoshi disappeared after his CIA visit... connect the dots.

Gavin and Craig are partners in bitcoin-crime.
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I'm confident that Craig is not Satoshi, but if he is and can prove that he is, I'll gladly eat crow.   Grin

Be careful of what you speak, we live in a weird world.

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It seems like a whole lot of people think Satoshi is dead. I don't think we should jump to this conclusion. I think it is more likely that Satoshi is alive.

It is interesting that Satoshi in his posts seem very friendly, polite, patient and likeable in his messages. Craig Wright on the other hand seems cold, bitter, arrogant, and angry in person. In one of the Satoshi emails, Satoshi uses the euro as an example for transaction. This leads me to believe the real Satoshi is from a European country. Also in a post he uses an expression about "eating crow", which is supposedly an American expression, but I have a feeling that it may be European for some reason. Either way it isn't Australian that's for sure.

Craig would not need to wait for Satoshi to be dead to make the claims. His claim is ridiculous and for some weird reason, there is a group of people gullible enough to believe him. Satoshi probably didn't denounce him, because it isn't worth it. Satoshi isn't going to give Craig the honor of being denounced. It already is obvious.


Interesting thoughts on Gavin lying. Who knows what kind of blackmail he could be facing. Maybe he did something really fucked up and Craig is using that as leverage against Gavin.


Hah, another theory for thought. What if Craig really is Satoshi and he was worried people were figuring it out somehow. As a result he purposely came out in the open and tried to do a bad job at convincing everyone. Like a reverse psychology thing. Seems pretty far fetched though.

I'm confident that Craig is not Satoshi, but if he is and can prove that he is, I'll gladly eat crow.   Grin
AGD
legendary
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Sidenote: you saw CW at the presentation the other day, where he was talking utter nonsense? This guy is definitely not Satoshi.

Of course he is not Satoshi. My point is he was close to Satoshi which might have given him some of the information which only Satoshi would have known. And he also knows that real Satoshi is no more and he is trying to use it to his advantage.


If Craig Wright had the private key to the first block the it's very clear he is Satoshi. What more proof do you need?
...

No, someone who is/was very close to Satoshi may successfully obtain a key or two that belonged to real Satoshi. We need more proof, not just one key.

I got your point (presentation topic was just a little side talk. Watch it. Funny stuff) and I also think, that this theory fits well, but I don't think, that CW has recieved any key from SN. Which still makes me wonder how CW convinced Gavin, who certainly knew, that he would play with his reputation. Reason enough for a smart guy, to securely veryfy CW's claims, before going public with a statement like "I believe CW is Satoshi Nakamoto". And the truth is: Gavin messed up pretty bad. The reason for that must have been worth losing his reputation. I think, that both, Gavin and Craig are lying.

I can't rule out the possibility that both of them lied. Otherwise if CW had actual proof to show Gavin, there was no harm in showing it to rest of the world. Why ONLY Gavin? Why not the rest of us? In fact doing it publicly would have made his case solid than ever.

We don't know if there was no harm in showing it in public. As I said, it must have been worth losing his reputation for this secret.
legendary
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Just an idea. If Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto, he would definitely risk the real Satoshi come up with a proof, that Craig is not SN. Is it possible, that CW explicitly knows about the death of the person behind SN, so he can make his claims without backing them up with a proof?  Roll Eyes

not necessarily.
after many years of not being present (6 or 7 years?) and not once break that anonymity, it is fairly correct to assume Satoshi Nakamoto will not come forward and break the anonymity in the future either. and the reason for that can be anything.
and CW's attempts were mostly a public stunt that the community caught easily. so again he can be fairly sure Satoshi will never come forward to put his claims down since we have already did it instead of real SN.
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Sidenote: you saw CW at the presentation the other day, where he was talking utter nonsense? This guy is definitely not Satoshi.

Of course he is not Satoshi. My point is he was close to Satoshi which might have given him some of the information which only Satoshi would have known. And he also knows that real Satoshi is no more and he is trying to use it to his advantage.


If Craig Wright had the private key to the first block the it's very clear he is Satoshi. What more proof do you need?
...

No, someone who is/was very close to Satoshi may successfully obtain a key or two that belonged to real Satoshi. We need more proof, not just one key.

I got your point (presentation topic was just a little side talk. Watch it. Funny stuff) and I also think, that this theory fits well, but I don't think, that CW has recieved any key from SN. Which still makes me wonder how CW convinced Gavin, who certainly knew, that he would play with his reputation. Reason enough for a smart guy, to securely veryfy CW's claims, before going public with a statement like "I believe CW is Satoshi Nakamoto". And the truth is: Gavin messed up pretty bad. The reason for that must have been worth losing his reputation. I think, that both, Gavin and Craig are lying.

I can't rule out the possibility that both of them lied. Otherwise if CW had actual proof to show Gavin, there was no harm in showing it to rest of the world. Why ONLY Gavin? Why not the rest of us? In fact doing it publicly would have made his case solid than ever.
AGD
legendary
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Keeper of the Private Key
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Sidenote: you saw CW at the presentation the other day, where he was talking utter nonsense? This guy is definitely not Satoshi.

Of course he is not Satoshi. My point is he was close to Satoshi which might have given him some of the information which only Satoshi would have known. And he also knows that real Satoshi is no more and he is trying to use it to his advantage.


If Craig Wright had the private key to the first block the it's very clear he is Satoshi. What more proof do you need?
...

No, someone who is/was very close to Satoshi may successfully obtain a key or two that belonged to real Satoshi. We need more proof, not just one key.

I got your point (presentation topic was just a little side talk. Watch it. Funny stuff) and I also think, that this theory fits well, but I don't think, that CW has recieved any key from SN. Which still makes me wonder how CW convinced Gavin, who certainly knew, that he would play with his reputation. Reason enough for a smart guy, to securely veryfy CW's claims, before going public with a statement like "I believe CW is Satoshi Nakamoto". And the truth is: Gavin messed up pretty bad. The reason for that must have been worth losing his reputation. I think, that both, Gavin and Craig are lying.
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Just an idea. If Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto, he would definitely risk the real Satoshi come up with a proof, that Craig is not SN. Is it possible, that CW explicitly knows about the death of the person behind SN, so he can make his claims without backing them up with a proof?  Roll Eyes
No, he knows that Satoshi Nakamoto, whoever they are, would not risk communicating with the world ever again. (its kinda obvious why)

To me it's not obvious. Please explain.
Well according to some blockchain analysts, Satoshi is sitting on billions of US dollars worth of Bitcoin.
If I was them, I wouldn't risk any possibility of being traced. This includes making a post on the internet or really doing anything online that involves that username.
Those coins were worth like 30 cents each when he decided to abandon the Satoshi alias. So your theory makes zero sense.
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The way people fight over this matter, man, I wonder if the world will go into explosion if they don’t come up with the person behind that name: Satoshi Nakamoto. Now someone has decided to claim he’s the real SN, and people are still doubting. Infact the real thing is this: nobody is Satoshi Nakamoto, it’s just a code name (as in a username).
legendary
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Why do you think that ? satoshi is not dead, Nick szabo is satoshi nakamoto
Nick Szabo helped Craig Wright,

I also think Nick was possibly connected to Satoshi {They, Craig Wright & Nick & Hal Finney might have been part of a

small group of people that formed the pseudonym, Satoshi Nakamoto} I think Hal Finney owned most of the coins in the

beginning and when he died he took the private keys to his grave.  Wink Huh

Hal Finney and Nick Szabo being satoshi are one of the best proponents, and big blockers hate this because both Hal Finney and Nick Szabo aren't big blockers and are pro-payment channels:

http://bitcoinist.com/nick-szabo-bitcoin-censorship-resistance/

Finney being satoshi is specially interesting because he is both confirmed to be the first ever person to receive a bitcoin transaction, and also confirmed to be dead. So if someone knew Hal was satoshi, he would could safely claim to be satoshi himself without risks of the real satoshi showing up.
legendary
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Why do you think that ? satoshi is not dead, Nick szabo is satoshi nakamoto
Nick Szabo helped Craig Wright,

I also think Nick was possibly connected to Satoshi {They, Craig Wright & Nick & Hal Finney might have been part of a

small group of people that formed the pseudonym, Satoshi Nakamoto} I think Hal Finney owned most of the coins in the

beginning and when he died he took the private keys to his grave.  Wink Huh
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Talk about nothing. It is unlikely that we already in this life will know who the real is SN. Craig Wright could not prove anything, others can not to
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No body in the Bitcoin Community is Satoshi Nakamoto who invented Bitcoin and Blockchain Technology. If any body is serious to know the real Satoshi Nakamoto; you are welcome !


Meet Satoshi Nakamoto

https://medium.com/@meetsatoshi/satoshi-nakamoto-10dd01809cdc
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Nobody knows the true, so who knows? Satoshi could be a group of person or a fictional name to confuse the world of the real person or gruop behind the creation of BTC.
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Just an idea. If Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto, he would definitely risk the real Satoshi come up with a proof, that Craig is not SN.

For CW to come to the public and say that he is SN would have to know the true identity of SN and what happened to SN or CW did this just to convince the real SN to appear to the public


There is something very somber in this story. Nobody in this world would be hidden after creating a technology like btc, unless is dead or stuck.

I would.
legendary
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Just an idea. If Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto, he would definitely risk the real Satoshi come up with a proof, that Craig is not SN.

For CW to come to the public and say that he is SN would have to know the true identity of SN and what happened to SN or CW did this just to convince the real SN to appear to the public


There is something very somber in this story. Nobody in this world would be hidden after creating a technology like btc, unless is dead or stuck.

hero member
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Sidenote: you saw CW at the presentation the other day, where he was talking utter nonsense? This guy is definitely not Satoshi.

Of course he is not Satoshi. My point is he was close to Satoshi which might have given him some of the information which only Satoshi would have known. And he also knows that real Satoshi is no more and he is trying to use it to his advantage.


If Craig Wright had the private key to the first block the it's very clear he is Satoshi. What more proof do you need?
...

No, someone who is/was very close to Satoshi may successfully obtain a key or two that belonged to real Satoshi. We need more proof, not just one key.
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