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Just an idea. If Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto, he would definitely risk the real Satoshi come up with a proof, that Craig is not SN. Is it possible, that CW explicitly knows about the death of the person behind SN, so he can make his claims without backing them up with a proof?  Roll Eyes

But are you framing him for murder or?

Hah, jk, if your theory is true then he and SN knew each other in the past, but if SN didn't give him the private keys to the genesis block or close-to-genesis blocks then he wasn't someone of trust to SN, so why would we trust him then?
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I, nullius, am a 118-year-old Russian princess named Anastasia!  (← If I were to say this seriously, and say it loudly enough, and insist on it with neither uncertainty nor hesitation, then somebody, somewhere would actually believe it—and more somebodies would have some doubts.)

Whereas BSV propaganda is actually more effective than Bcash propaganda, because contra what you were told as a child, a half-truth isn’t the worst lie...

I must preface this by noting that I doubt Craig Wright’s own ability to carry off such a—well, a psy-op by himself.  In view of how the Faketoshi sham is being handled overall, I expect that Wright has some sound advice in some form or another.  He is a shrewd scammer, but he was never so smart as one who could understand the deeper details of human psychology.  Money and power are on the line.  Cui bono?



Blackhat Mindhacking 101:  Exploiting Wetware Insecurity

This is a basic exploit in human psychology—a sort of stack-smashing buffer overflow of the capacity to assess falsehoods:

I think in general the pattern we've seen from Wright is that he isn't particularly convincing or persuasive, but rather he exploits the fact that people are usually unprepared to deal with such an audacious liar.  ... the sort of person who will go literally red faced screaming at you that NO, IN FACT THE SKY IS GREEN NOT BLUE THE SKY IS GREEN.  When faced with behaviour like that some people just start wondering if maybe its legit because they'd personally never act that way unless they were telling the truth and were absolutely sure of it.

Damn.  You made me look outside at the sky, just to double-check!  And then, I started wondering if maybe, just maybe, I am colourblind—protanopia often does cause difficulty distinguishing green from blue!—or perchance, I went slightly insane, and I confused the meanings of basic English words blue and green in some Twilight Zone style psychosis...

You sounded so sure.  Nobody would sound so sure unless he is sure, and he’s telling the truth.  Subjectively, I know that I wouldn’t dare to tell such a whopper—and if I tried, I would stammer and stare at my toes or glance around nervously, instead of saying it straight while looking you in the eye.

Of course, it is not necessary for me to be so introspective as to think through all of this:  I feel that nobody could tell such a lie, because I instinctively feel that I myself couldn’t.  I empathize:  I feel what a liar would feel in that position, and thus, I feel that he must not be lying.  It feels terrifying to me.

It is not because I am so virtuous.  I know that I could probably get away with the petty little lies that most people sometimes tell themselves and others.  But such a ghastly monster of a lie, telling people that the sky is green?  I would fear being caught; I wouldn’t dare!  When I see Dr. Wright declare that he invented Bitcoin, I wince, and wonder in the back of my mind what the consequences will be if he’s lying—no, I wouldn’t dare!  Therefore, nobody would dare...

Add to that:  You apparently have more education than I do, and you definitely have more money than I do, and you’ve got plenty of friends for “social proof”—hell, you are even better-looking than I am!—I am just some guy on the Internet; how I am to be sure you’re wrong?  —And who am I to say so?  I am a no-name nobody; I’m a nothing, a nullity.  (nullius = Latin: ‘of nobody, of nothing, of zero’.)

Doctor Craig Satoshi
fresh-scrubbed and dolled up as best he can manage,
showing credentials, looking confident,
surrounded by a retinue (see also):

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Who am I to question him?  Dare I?

Could the sky be green?  You made me seriously question my own judgment, just because you sound so certain!

I’ve been advised that I am “nowhere near as smart as [I] (and apparently many merit sources) think” I am.  Since my childhood, I’ve been told that I should be humble.  How can I be sure of the authority of my own mind?  —Dare I risk being left to stand alone?

Philological protip:  Compare the etymological development of the word “nice” with the proposition, “...der ungefährliche Mensch sein muss: er ist gutmüthig, leicht zu betrügen, ein bischen dumm vielleicht, un bonhomme. Überall, wo die Sklaven-Moral zum Übergewicht kommt, zeigt die Sprache eine Neigung, die Worte ‘gut’ und ‘dumm’ einander anzunähern.”

And I know, gmaxwell, Dr. Wright’s (actual) credentials do not compare to yours—however, Gavin Andresen’s socially important credentials do!  Why, he even has the mark of popular fame in $CURRENT_YEAR:  A Wikipedia page!  Sorry, I could not find one for you (despite your @wikimedia address).  And Gavin is the official Chief Scientist of the Bitcoin Foundation, he has a three-digit forum ID, he hob-nobs with big cheeses in the government and the Council on Foreign Relations...  Even if I were so terrifically prideful as to argue against Dr. Wright, who am I to argue with Gavin?  —Who am I, just-nobody, to stand alone and call him out, cast the first stone and say that he is an untrustworthy liar?

Dr. Wright has been expertly “verified” by the Bitcoin Chief Scientist.  He also has some peer pressure on his side.  hv_ and his buddies are Internet nobodies; but then, I’m the guy who named himself “of nobody” on the Internet.  Who am I to call hv_ such nasty names as “shill”, “liar”, etc.?  Him, and plenty like him (a dime a dozen)...  Who am I to stand against Dr. Wright and the Bitcoin Chief Scientist and a crowd of folks?  Authority plus peer pressure!*again  When Dr. Wright sounds so sure...

Anyway, Sir Maxwell, I feel sheepish; I admit that you may have a point here.  If I dare to repudiate your fully self-confident declaration that the sky is green, then either people will think I’m a jerk, or people will think I’m a fool.  Maybe both!  I dunno.  Maybe you are right.

Maybe my eyes are lying to me, or maybe I made a big mistake—and then everyone will laugh at me, because the sky actually is green, and the Earth is flat, and 2 + 2 = 5, and Dr. Craig Steven Wright invented Bitcoin, and I’m just so stupid that I didn’t realize it.

* nullius is suddenly feeling so insecure. :-(



Craig Wright does not need for a majority of people to believe him:  He needs only for a hard core of shills and fanatics to believe him, whilst the majority wavers.

Military counterinsurgency studies show that a revolution can be carried off by as little as 10% of the population.  This applies to both violent and nonviolent “revolutions” in the sense that the deciding factor is social change of opinion.  The majority is always deadweight:  Apathetic fence-sitters, at best.  If the majority has no too-strong opinion, then its opinion will be carried by a vocal, absolutely fanatical minority—if there is no opposing minority of equal or greater strength and certitude.

In the current context:  If Craig Wright can play the mass-media to introduce doubt into the minds of most people who have heard of Bitcoin, and if he is shilled to the hilt by a cadre of hv_ types, and if the only significant opposition is a bunch of forum theorists who won’t push the issue as hard as hv_ does, then Faketoshi will win.

That he is wrong is irrelevant.  History shows that contra popular delusions, the truth is a fragile and precious thing.  Lies are robust, because they appeal to the power of human frailty—and because they can be manufactured at will:  I have only one truth, but Craig Wright can make up a new lie every day so as to drown my protests of truth in endless arguments.

A compounding factor is the distaste that many Bitcoiners have for drama, hostility, and especially, emotionalist arguments and ad hominem attacks.  It is good to have a culture that values logical arguments—but do not confuse critical thinking skills for efficacy at persuasive argument.  If Craig Wright wields false persuasive arguments against your facts and logic, then he will win the hearts and minds of the majority, whose critical thinking skills are negligible.  As I have said before:  Don’t bring a sword to a gunfight.

If you debate the question of Craig Wright’s claims to or before the average person, then you may mostly convince him—yet he will harbour a lingering doubt:  How can I be sure that Craig Wright isn’t Satoshi?  He seems so sure...  As aforesaid, the doubt is Faketoshi’s trump card, his secret nuclear weapon.  And you allowed that doubt to persist, via your first mistake:  Debating a question in a reasonable manner, which implies that there is a reasonable question to debate!

Craig Wright is not Satoshi Nakamoto.  He did not invent Bitcoin.  He is a liar, a scammer, and a grand-scale identity thief.  Every expert who has ever examined the matter has so concluded, without any doubt—except for Gavin, the same Gavin of the thoroughly corrupted so-called “Bitcoin Foundation”, the same Gavin who visited the CIA and the CFR before embarking on a years-long campaign of fork attacks against Bitcoin!  Gavin has no credibility.

That is a conclusion, not an argument—and certainly not an invitation to debate.  I will only debate Faketoshi or his shills if they can produce the most basic piece of evidence:  A verifiable signed statement by one of Satoshi’s known keys, identifying Craig Wright as Satoshi.  They do not do so, because they are liars or dupes—period.  That is the truth, the objective truth, based on facts and not “debates”.  Complaints >/dev/null

This is how it’s done, folks!

Don’t waver in the face of lies.  Don’t quibble with liars.  The emotional question in the minds of those watching these “debates”:  Are you as confident that Craig Wright is not Satoshi, as he seems to be when he declares that he is?

I exceed his confidence because I am a Bitcoin expert, I have examined the facts, and I know that Wright is dead wrong.  I know the truth.  I do not need to argue.



* A small personal story—not quite about kindergarten, per se:  When I was in the sixth grade, a teacher said something gratuitously rude to the class unpopular kid—and the whole class laughed at him, except for me.  He was the stereotypical unpopular kid:  Jewish, nerdy as hell, a face as handsome as dog barf, skinny and runty, but inadvertently too wont to advertise his 148 IQ—and he was enthusiastic about books of tricky riddles and little mathematical puzzles.

He was admittedly annoying:  Mostly harmless; but all he ever wanted to talk about was puzzle books, Star Trek (yes!), or this top-of-the-line new computer that his family had just bought, way back when that was a big thing...  And since he knew that he annoyed people, he had the exact opposite of self-confidence.  He thus annoyed all the worse, with a self-conscious, desperate puppy-dog friendliness.

I don’t remember what the teacher said to him; it was forgettable, just a matter of picking on him like everybody else did.  There certainly was no reason.  He was supinely diffident, a wannabe teacher’s pet; he wouldn’t have even imagined doing anything to incur the teacher’s negative opinion, much less dared it.  And for my part, the teacher never would have expected me to dare opposing authority.  A congenital tendency to orderliness is easily mistaken for blind obedience by those who see only the surface.

I abruptly stood up on my chair, and told the teacher with cold courtesy that she was wrong.  Cue twenty pairs of eyes suddenly staring at me—of a sudden, you could have heard a pin drop.  ’Twas the silence of mass shock, from the teacher on down.

Later that day, the teacher approached me in the hallway, hugged me, and profusely apologised to me.  I have no idea what she said to him, if anything at all.  I never asked him, because I wasn’t really his friend, either:  I was born to be nobody’s; I kept everybody at arm’s length.  He liked me, though—probably because I didn’t treat him like dirt, he could invite me to his birthday party without the risk of a crushing rejection, and he respected my IQ of higher-than-his.

Now, I am not sure whether I accidentally wrote a saccharine glurge story, or showed myself tenfold as arrogant for my sense that noblesse oblige.  Anyway, the point of the story is about the social pressure of combined authority and peer opinions in the abstract, irrespective of the particulars of the circumstance.  Moreover, I have with myself a running contest for the title of “the longest footnote in history”—so to speak.





Postscript:  A Liar’s Equivocation

Boldface is mine:

So Gavin believes there's an equal chance that Craig is a "master scammer." The narrative that he completely believes Wright is Satoshi has been bogus since before BSV was even an idea.

Soooooo...  Let me get this straight.  After he played a pivotal rôle in the creation of a monster, your excuse for Gavin is that he equivocates?

Either way, he clearly says Wright should be ignored.

...and that he sometimes may whine that, in substantial effect, would you please ignore something that is very embarrassing to him—which he himself is too dishonest, too cowardly, and/or too compromised to repudiate with the same mass-media “Bitcoin Foundation Chief Scientist” starburst as with which he originally “verified” Faketoshi?

You never see BSVers talk about this blog entry when they talk about Gavin, its always a YouTube clip of an interview he gave _before_ he wrote this post.

You see, that is the “nice”* thing about equivocation:  Faketoshi can get the support he needs, and Gavin can try to repair his reputation without actually repudiating his “verification” unequivocally, in no uncertain terms.

(* See above notes on “nice” etymology.)

Gavin has done massive actual harm:  Bitcoin Foundation, XT, Faketoshi “verification”, Btrash shilling...  You are defending him because he says there’s an “equal chance” that Craig Wright is either a scammer or Satoshi!?

Not falling for that one.  If he ever wants to be known as anything but a malicious liar, he needs to come clean and put serious effort into repairing the actual damage that he did.  Shrugging doesn’t cut it.
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One method could be he could recall private conversations of PM with certain individuals, something that only was discussed in private between 2 users. Even though his account here is locked, the PM might still be saved somewhere and as long as Satoshi remembers certain conversations, it can be used to prove his identity.

Basically trusting the judgement of people you have never met in real life, if that does the trick for you I'm fine by that but for me, it isn't the proof. PM's can be compromised and keys can exchange hand, So yeah even if the real satoshi signed the addresses and provided some detailed descriptions about the conversations he had with theymos or core devs it still won't do the trick for me... There is no way even Satoshi can prove to me that he is Satoshi basically...
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Right on the money, he saw there was a weakness in the community and exploited it for his own purposes, that was the eagerness to find out and follow Satoshi like he was some prophet. Then he saw the vulnerability in the community through their fighting of blocks and jumped into bed with Roger, then he saw the opportunity to take power from roger and lead those who were already weak enough to follow bcash as some truer bitcoin.

What's next? Whatever the next drama is, I am sure he will be there to try and take advantage of it.

Couldn't agree more with this, and it's the same attitude I would advice for every troll in every space, in real life and in crypto. The more we give them attention, the more they enjoy the spotlight and the more they are motivated to make up all things.

Though, I actually think there could be a logic in CW making these claims because he knows the real guy can't. Whether he's dead or simply unable to, I don't know.

Trolls typically stay ano and not go via courts and public

No

CSW takes that all very serious

Fear and full bags are never good advisors btw
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Right on the money, he saw there was a weakness in the community and exploited it for his own purposes, that was the eagerness to find out and follow Satoshi like he was some prophet. Then he saw the vulnerability in the community through their fighting of blocks and jumped into bed with Roger, then he saw the opportunity to take power from roger and lead those who were already weak enough to follow bcash as some truer bitcoin.

What's next? Whatever the next drama is, I am sure he will be there to try and take advantage of it.

Couldn't agree more with this, and it's the same attitude I would advice for every troll in every space, in real life and in crypto. The more we give them attention, the more they enjoy the spotlight and the more they are motivated to make up all things.

Though, I actually think there could be a logic in CW making these claims because he knows the real guy can't. Whether he's dead or simply unable to, I don't know.
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Just an idea. If Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto, he would definitely risk the real Satoshi come up with a proof, that Craig is not SN. Is it possible, that CW explicitly knows about the death of the person behind SN, so he can make his claims without backing them up with a proof?  Roll Eyes
you have a good point here because the way he claims the Name he is so sure about nothing will run unto Him,and also he is so confident about the claims.

but the Only Problem is he has no complete proof of being Satoshi so it means Him being Faketoshi.
the only way needs is the Address and also the Bitcointalk account that will Give him a chance to prove His claims.
What are the real goals and purpose of Craig Wright that he really claims that he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto? But we all know that he is not the real one because he doesn't gives any concrete proof that he is the real Satoshi.

I really think that the real Satoshi does not wanted to intefere with Craig Wright because he really wanted to stay anonymous until he dies.
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Just an idea. If Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto, he would definitely risk the real Satoshi come up with a proof, that Craig is not SN. Is it possible, that CW explicitly knows about the death of the person behind SN, so he can make his claims without backing them up with a proof?  Roll Eyes
you have a good point here because the way he claims the Name he is so sure about nothing will run unto Him,and also he is so confident about the claims.

but the Only Problem is he has no complete proof of being Satoshi so it means Him being Faketoshi.
the only way needs is the Address and also the Bitcointalk account that will Give him a chance to prove His claims.
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But I guess he lost his keys to most of the early day bitcoins,

If that is actually the case then he lost the identity of Satoshi aswell. No keys = No Satoshi or Lost Keys = Lost Satoshi's Identity. It's as simple as that... Besides, why would such an ingenious person who has deep understanding of some very low level constructions of early bitcoin architecture would fail to keep a single private key of his addresses? Roll Eyes I have skype conversation almost a decade old still saved on 3 flash drives for one of my web app which has achieved nowhere near the success of what bitcoin has amassed but I still have it just as a proof of sorts, I find it hard to believe that the person who invented bitcoin didn't know how to take care of his keys, even if they were worthless. It makes a nice bedtime story but in real-world speculation gets us nowhere.

TBH I don't think I will be ever satisfied with any proof of sorts. Keys can exchange hands and technical knowledge of Bitcoin /Blockchain can be learned. At the end of the day even if the Real Satoshi decided to come back and say hi, I don't think I will be able to trust that person. Basically you will be trusting the judgement of Theymos and few devs who worked with Satoshi and one of them has already got their judgment in question ( Gavin ), as @xtraelv mentioned... So for me, at least the Identity of Satoshi will forever be a mystery and I am pretty satisfied with that...

Satoshi losing his keys doesn't mean his identity is lost as well. This was actually discussed about a year or 2 ago on this forum and basically people asked the same question. If he lost his keys could he still prove his identity? And the answer was yes. And I believe it was the forum moderator Theymos that stated that there are other ways he can prove he is Satoshi.

One method could be he could recall private conversations of PM with certain individuals, something that only was discussed in private between 2 users. Even though his account here is locked, the PM might still be saved somewhere and as long as Satoshi remembers certain conversations, it can be used to prove his identity.

If Craig W wanted to do this then he could of but I don't think he even tried.
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And yet, as we are today Gavin has still never fully retracted his endorsement. He left it at an 'I'm not sure what happened, maybe I was fooled. It doesn't matter anyways'-- something which wright's promoters continues to use to promote wright's legitimacy.

As far as I know, this blog entry of his from 2016 was his last formal comment on the issue:

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Now that six months have gone past, I’m being asked if I still think Craig Wright was Satoshi.

I think there are two possibilities.

Either he was Satoshi, but really wants the world to think he isn’t, so he created an impossible-to-untangle web of truths, half-truths and lies. And ruined his reputation in the process.

If he was Satoshi, we should respect his wish to remain anonymous, and ignore him.

The other possibility is he is a master scammer/fraudster who managed to trick some pretty smart people over a period of several years.

In which case everybody except the victims of his fraud and law enforcement working on behalf of those victims should ignore him.

So, either he was or he wasn’t. In either case, we should ignore him. I regret ever getting involved in the “who was Satoshi” game, and am going to spend my time on more fun and productive pursuits.

So Gavin believes there's an equal chance that Craig is a "master scammer." The narrative that he completely believes Wright is Satoshi has been bogus since before BSV was even an idea. Either way, he clearly says Wright should be ignored. You never see BSVers talk about this blog entry when they talk about Gavin, its always a YouTube clip of an interview he gave _before_ he wrote this post.
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in my opinion it is more likely that Gavin Andresen was conned by Craig Scammer Wright. he obviously wasn't Satoshi and someone like Gavin could have seen that easily but it is possible that at the time due to all the drama with scaling the scammer played on his emotions and convinced him that his intentions are like his and wants to help scale bitcoin. he did the same with bcashers before screwing them over too.
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It's not obligatory. For Craig Wright, it’s enough that Satoshi Nakamoto has not been felt for such a long time. Of course, he runs the risk of claiming that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. However, the risk is worth it. In any case, many talk about him, he becomes famous.
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It is true that of all the faketoshi, it is only craig wright who is most passionate about proving himself to be Satoshi Nakamoto.
According to my logic it is not because he knew that the original satoshi nakamoto had died, but instead he wanted to lure
satoshi nakamoto out of his hiding. So from that he was very confident wanting to prove himself satoshi nakamoto even without
any evidence strong until now.
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But I guess he lost his keys to most of the early day bitcoins,

If that is actually the case then he lost the identity of Satoshi aswell. No keys = No Satoshi or Lost Keys = Lost Satoshi's Identity. It's as simple as that... Besides, why would such an ingenious person who has deep understanding of some very low level constructions of early bitcoin architecture would fail to keep a single private key of his addresses? Roll Eyes I have skype conversation almost a decade old still saved on 3 flash drives for one of my web app which has achieved nowhere near the success of what bitcoin has amassed but I still have it just as a proof of sorts, I find it hard to believe that the person who invented bitcoin didn't know how to take care of his keys, even if they were worthless. It makes a nice bedtime story but in real-world speculation gets us nowhere.

TBH I don't think I will be ever satisfied with any proof of sorts. Keys can exchange hands and technical knowledge of Bitcoin /Blockchain can be learned. At the end of the day even if the Real Satoshi decided to come back and say hi, I don't think I will be able to trust that person. Basically you will be trusting the judgement of Theymos and few devs who worked with Satoshi and one of them has already got their judgment in question ( Gavin ), as @xtraelv mentioned... So for me, at least the Identity of Satoshi will forever be a mystery and I am pretty satisfied with that...
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There were a lot of people claiming to be Satoshi, but CSW was the only one who made it as far as convincing a person, who has gained the original Satoshi Nakamotos trust: Gavin Andresen. I would very much like to see the communication between him and CSW, that made Gavin book a flight to London.

I don't know if I'd go quite as far as trust, but you make a fair point.

We (the bitcoin devs) asked Gavin a number of questions in the immediate aftermath of his endorsement of Wright.

Gavin went unresponsive when we asked for details about when he started communicating with Wright.  So good luck finding out anything there.

He said in media interviews that he was absolutely convinced before ever seeing any proof.

Certainly, in none of Wright's communication that I've ever seen has he sounded at all like Satoshi for any span of more than a few words-- maybe a sentence at most... except where he was just quoting Satoshi.

And yet, as we are today Gavin has still never fully retracted his endorsement. He left it at an 'I'm not sure what happened, maybe I was fooled. It doesn't matter anyways'-- something which wright's promoters continues to use to promote wright's legitimacy.

Probably the most significant thing I can say on this subject is that *none* of the core-devs upon hearing Gavin endorsed the guy thought this was at all evidence of the claims-- even before seeing the publication of the obviously faked signature.  The idea that Gavin was hacked, was being coerced, was being paid off, was a scammed idiot, or was attempting a desperate attempt at taking over Bitcoin after he was unable to convince people through the merit of his arguments were all considered serious possibilities. We discussed the possibility that wright got his hands on of an early block private key that was mined by someone other than satoshi, and was planning on exploiting the ambiguity about who mined what-- and that Gavin fell for that because of one of the might have fallen for it due to the aforementioned reasons. The only people that thought his endorsement was persuasive were people that hadn't worked with him on technical matters. The people who would know best how to weigh the evidence of that endorsement didn't find it remotely persuasive. And in the aftermath, when Wright's public signature turned out to be fake Gavin's response wasn't to adopt complete transparency and help take out and protect the Bitcoin community from the guy that had supposedly conned him. Take that for what you will.

I think in general the pattern we've seen from Wright is that he isn't particularly convincing or persuasive, but rather he exploits the fact that people are usually unprepared to deal with such an audacious liar.  ... the sort of person who will go literally red faced screaming at you that NO, IN FACT THE SKY IS GREEN NOT BLUE THE SKY IS GREEN.  When faced with behaviour like that some people just start wondering if maybe its legit because they'd personally never act that way unless they were telling the truth and were absolutely sure of it.
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Let's not ascribe CSW any more credit than he is due.

It's quite clear that he simply took advantage of the early naivete of the community and lack of blockchain analytics platforms back in the day, to falsely claim that he is Satoshi in order to manipulate the market.

He's a straight-up fraud and not worth discussing. He'll be in jail soon enough, since he tried to co-opt the identity of another individual.
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I don't think so. There is no one who knows about who is SN< what is SN, where is SN, and also what happens to SN right now. Whether he is still alive or even dead.
In relation to CW, I think that he is only making something surprising again to attract the issue about him. Well, I also don't think that he really knows about Satoshi.

Satoshi Satoshi Satoshi How long do we plan to discuss this topic?
I also think about this. Why should we make some judgment/prediction, and also guess about Satoshi more and more in this forum? Let it be and let Satoshi be Satoshi. Of course, He had his own reason why he didn't want to come up to the public and not to be seen. And let him still with his secret because it will be more interesting.
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Yes, this is a very common theory, and given the personality of Wright, who clearly knows something about the birth of Bitcoin, but cannot provide any significant evidence, this theory is very, very strong.
Although I have been telling everyone since 2015 that Satoshi is probably unfortunately no longer with us.

I've *never* seen wright repeat a true fact about Bitcoin that he couldn't have learned just reading some posts here or the mailing list. Instead, I've seen him repeat many false claims that you can find posted on the internet which anyone involved early in bitcoin would know.

The obvious conclusion is that since he is perpetrating a multi-million dollar fraud and identity theft he spent a little time doing homework, but as his school records show he is utterly terrible at performing any kind of intellectual work at all... and so he didn't do a good job of it.  He produces so much evasion, obfuscation, and outright bluster -- literally screaming FUCK YOU at people who challenge his technobabble, that he manages to fool more than a few people who aren't following closely.

If you want to make guesses as to why he would assume Satoshi wouldn't out him... first, why would he need to assume that?  He could continue to rake in money from victims until that time-- the scam has to end eventually after all, it might as well end that way.  second,  there were a long sequence of false Satoshi claims before him and Satoshi didn't show up to debunk those either so it's a safe bet that wright could get away with it for a long time.

Finally, wright's activities have caused more fixation on satoshi than ever.  It would be bad for everyone for satoshi to show up in light of that.

I agree with almost all of your statements. There were a lot of people claiming to be Satoshi, but CSW was the only one who made it as far as convincing a person, who has gained the original Satoshi Nakamotos trust: Gavin Andresen. I would very much like to see the communication between him and CSW, that made Gavin book a flight to London.
Yes, this case was widely covered in the press then. And everyone I knew in the cryptocurrency world at that time was also at a loss how Anderson could believe Wright. Then, indeed, many thought that Satoshi was finally found, but this turned out to be completely wrong.
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Yes, this is a very common theory, and given the personality of Wright, who clearly knows something about the birth of Bitcoin, but cannot provide any significant evidence, this theory is very, very strong.
Although I have been telling everyone since 2015 that Satoshi is probably unfortunately no longer with us.

I've *never* seen wright repeat a true fact about Bitcoin that he couldn't have learned just reading some posts here or the mailing list. Instead, I've seen him repeat many false claims that you can find posted on the internet which anyone involved early in bitcoin would know.

The obvious conclusion is that since he is perpetrating a multi-million dollar fraud and identity theft he spent a little time doing homework, but as his school records show he is utterly terrible at performing any kind of intellectual work at all... and so he didn't do a good job of it.  He produces so much evasion, obfuscation, and outright bluster -- literally screaming FUCK YOU at people who challenge his technobabble, that he manages to fool more than a few people who aren't following closely.

If you want to make guesses as to why he would assume Satoshi wouldn't out him... first, why would he need to assume that?  He could continue to rake in money from victims until that time-- the scam has to end eventually after all, it might as well end that way.  second,  there were a long sequence of false Satoshi claims before him and Satoshi didn't show up to debunk those either so it's a safe bet that wright could get away with it for a long time.

Finally, wright's activities have caused more fixation on satoshi than ever.  It would be bad for everyone for satoshi to show up in light of that.

I agree with almost all of your statements. There were a lot of people claiming to be Satoshi, but CSW was the only one who made it as far as convincing a person, who has gained the original Satoshi Nakamotos trust: Gavin Andresen. I would very much like to see the communication between him and CSW, that made Gavin book a flight to London.
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Yes, this is a very common theory, and given the personality of Wright, who clearly knows something about the birth of Bitcoin, but cannot provide any significant evidence, this theory is very, very strong.
Although I have been telling everyone since 2015 that Satoshi is probably unfortunately no longer with us.

I've *never* seen wright repeat a true fact about Bitcoin that he couldn't have learned just reading some posts here or the mailing list. Instead, I've seen him repeat many false claims that you can find posted on the internet which anyone involved early in bitcoin would know.

The obvious conclusion is that since he is perpetrating a multi-million dollar fraud and identity theft he spent a little time doing homework, but as his school records show he is utterly terrible at performing any kind of intellectual work at all... and so he didn't do a good job of it.  He produces so much evasion, obfuscation, and outright bluster -- literally screaming FUCK YOU at people who challenge his technobabble, that he manages to fool more than a few people who aren't following closely.

If you want to make guesses as to why he would assume Satoshi wouldn't out him... first, why would he need to assume that?  He could continue to rake in money from victims until that time-- the scam has to end eventually after all, it might as well end that way.  second,  there were a long sequence of false Satoshi claims before him and Satoshi didn't show up to debunk those either so it's a safe bet that wright could get away with it for a long time.

Finally, wright's activities have caused more fixation on satoshi than ever.  It would be bad for everyone for satoshi to show up in light of that.
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Just an idea. If Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto, he would definitely risk the real Satoshi come up with a proof, that Craig is not SN. Is it possible, that CW explicitly knows about the death of the person behind SN, so he can make his claims without backing them up with a proof?  Roll Eyes
Yes, this is a very common theory, and given the personality of Wright, who clearly knows something about the birth of Bitcoin, but cannot provide any significant evidence, this theory is very, very strong.
Although I have been telling everyone since 2015 that Satoshi is probably unfortunately no longer with us.
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