The simple way is the often the best way.
To proof ownership by just send some coins, is not a proof of ownership/identity. Btw
So - since no other guy really comes up with his caliber and saves ownership of copyrights and original BitCoin version to exists in real world..... (he invited all to sue him, simply) CSW is the simplest option
More simple proofs expected imo
BSV is the simplest BitCoin, btw
Topic: Craig W. only claims to be Satoshi, because he knows the real Satoshi is dead? - page 8. (Read 15254 times)
February 16, 2020, 06:39:38 AM
February 16, 2020, 06:26:11 AM
Just an idea. If Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto, he would definitely risk the real Satoshi come up with a proof, that Craig is not SN. Is it possible, that CW explicitly knows about the death of the person behind SN, so he can make his claims without backing them up with a proof? 
I am not so sure about it but that scenario is not impossible also as he claims that he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto so there will be some reasons why he is doing this. As everyone can easily claim that they are Satoshi Nakamoto as the real SN is not showing himself. There is a very little chance that the real Satoshi Nakamoto is already dead. Why? It's been only 10 years since the launch bitcoin and his disappearance is not about his health condition. But if I were to guess, there is a big possibility that Craig know the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto and they are doing this scene as part of their plan.
February 16, 2020, 03:51:03 AM
That would be another question or mystery that could be impossible to know.
We know that CW isn't the real SN and we don't even know if someone really know SN in real life so it could be so hard.
My theory is thatCW is just trying to bait the real SN out but it seem's like it isn't working and it is only making him look's like a fool on the internet.
We know that CW isn't the real SN and we don't even know if someone really know SN in real life so it could be so hard.
My theory is thatCW is just trying to bait the real SN out but it seem's like it isn't working and it is only making him look's like a fool on the internet.
February 16, 2020, 03:38:06 AM
I have disks that are 5-6 years old. Scientists tend to keep their work forever. When they change computers they keep their old drives stashed in a box somewhere. Craig woke up years after Bitcoin was created and tried to patent it. He's not Satoshi and I don't understand why you'd believe that he is.
I guess nobody currently have an old disk holding WeiDai's B-money which a predecessor of bitcoin, if historically all such projects become useless after a few years, who would expect bitcoin to be any different in 2010. Even in 2011, those coins worth only 100 pizza
BTW, the keys can be stolen, keys prove nothing.
There is always a best way to find out the inventor. If you are Satoshi that invented bitcoin, you must be able to answer many original design related questions such as why OP_CHECKSIG is designed in such a seemingly illogical way. So far only Craig can answer that question, core devs don't understand that, so they invented segwit to replace it
Craig found out later that his invention is hijacked by a group of stupid coders, so he started to apply patents to prevent the same thing happen again
February 15, 2020, 09:08:11 PM
I don't think Satoshi Nakamoto is dead. He must have been resting somewhere in the world chilling with his fortune because for sure he is a rich man and surely he is laughing about Craig's claims. Being the creator of this huge project me personally if I where Nakamoto I will never reveal myself I don't need the recognition I just want support for what I did. Plus it will be a great threat if he will reveal himself in the public.
February 15, 2020, 05:54:26 PM
I always imagine SN smiling seeing various speculations and ridiculous news about who he really is. Whether he is alive or not, I still imagine him smiling in one corner of the world and enjoying the brilliance of this innovation. I do not know, I am not too interested in anyone who recognizes himself as SN, who is clear with his intelligence to design all of this, surely he will not just carelessly reveal his identity, there must be another diversion. Like following a drama series
February 15, 2020, 03:58:27 PM
Based on his deep understanding of some very low level constructions of early bitcoin architecture, I think he is Satoshi. But I guess he lost his keys to most of the early day bitcoins, since those coins worth nothing before 2011. Who would keep a disk full of useless things for 2 years? Anyway, many such projects before bitcoin just came out dead
I have disks that are 5-6 years old. Scientists tend to keep their work forever. When they change computers they keep their old drives stashed in a box somewhere. Craig woke up years after Bitcoin was created and tried to patent it. He's not Satoshi and I don't understand why you'd believe that he is.
And there is another fact supporting this view: All those early day coins were mined to different addresses, 50 at a time, they were never consolidated into a large batch, which indicated that they were just left there untouched for some reason. If someone really care about those coins, at least some kind of consolidation or movements of those coins should have happened
This is only a proof that real Satoshi didn't care much about the value of his coins. It's understandable because when he was mining there was no way to sell them. There were no exchange services and people who got involved in early 2010 were just giving it for free to others or exchanging for fun.
This does not prove that Craig is Satoshi. His forgeries paint a different picture.
February 15, 2020, 01:59:31 PM
To me Craig is an opportunist. He saw an opening and just barged in. Such things sometimes happen on big parties or even funerals where narcissists seeking attention come in and form this aura of untouchability around them. I'm sure you've seen this in the movies where some guy comes to a wedding and hugs the bride. She hugs him back and invites him in because she thinks it's her husband's friend or family. Just look what Craig has gained when he took on the role of Satoshi. He's being invited to conferences, parties, people listen to him, he's a VIP. Have you listened to some of his speeches? He doesn't say anything important. Throws a joke here and there, parades the stage like a cock, adds a few curses here and there... All his talks are irrelevant and don't bring anything to the table, it's all just for show.
Yeah, look what Craig has gained! All this is going to finish with him behind the bars, so he better be living the best moments of his life right now 'cause it's not going to last much longer!
He doesn't say anything important because he's just a joker. Basically the troll of crypto. And people listen to him because they want that BitcoinShitVersion to turn into $20k so those who've missed the BTC rally would get another chance.
The dump this ShitVersion is going to have will surprise everyone who's put their money in Craig's pockets.
February 15, 2020, 01:15:10 PM
It can be that or that he really wants to take the risk and fail in it so that the real Satoshi actually turns up and prove him wrong and his wish to meet and know the real Satoshi is fulfilled, either way, it's like punching in the air because Satoshi if he's alive won't mind Craig taking his name as Craig hasn't really proved in any way he's Satoshi.
February 15, 2020, 11:45:07 AM
Just an idea. If Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto, he would definitely risk the real Satoshi come up with a proof, that Craig is not SN. Is it possible, that CW explicitly knows about the death of the person behind SN, so he can make his claims without backing them up with a proof?
He pretends to be Satoshi because he's sure that the real Satoshi will never appear again, just notice how CWS started making claims in around 2015-2016 - long after the days of Satoshi's public activity. He didn't make his claims in 2011 or 2012, when there was a chance that Satoshi will return, or maybe he didn't even know about Bitcoin back then. He shown zero signatures from addresses that solo-mined a full block, which means he wasn't even involved with Bitcoin at its early days.
February 15, 2020, 11:09:33 AM
Based on his deep understanding of some very low level constructions of early bitcoin architecture, I think he is Satoshi. But I guess he lost his keys to most of the early day bitcoins, since those coins worth nothing before 2011. Who would keep a disk full of useless things for 2 years? Anyway, many such projects before bitcoin just came out dead
And there is another fact supporting this view: All those early day coins were mined to different addresses, 50 at a time, they were never consolidated into a large batch, which indicated that they were just left there untouched for some reason. If someone really care about those coins, at least some kind of consolidation or movements of those coins should have happened
And there is another fact supporting this view: All those early day coins were mined to different addresses, 50 at a time, they were never consolidated into a large batch, which indicated that they were just left there untouched for some reason. If someone really care about those coins, at least some kind of consolidation or movements of those coins should have happened
February 14, 2020, 05:06:28 PM
To me Craig is an opportunist. He saw an opening and just barged in.
I don't really follow the whole "who's Satoshi?" drama, but what you say could well be true. OP's point from 2 years ago is that CW is only an opportunist because he knows Satoshi is dead or otherwise isn't coming back (I think that's his point, anyway). I hadn't thought of that, and it's an interesting proposition.Though I'm at best mildly curious as to who Satoshi is, it would be really interesting if his identity were finally made known--and I have a feeling it will be eventually.
February 14, 2020, 04:59:19 PM
To me Craig is an opportunist. He saw an opening and just barged in. Such things sometimes happen on big parties or even funerals where narcissists seeking attention come in and form this aura of untouchability around them. I'm sure you've seen this in the movies where some guy comes to a wedding and hugs the bride. She hugs him back and invites him in because she thinks it's her husband's friend or family. Just look what Craig has gained when he took on the role of Satoshi. He's being invited to conferences, parties, people listen to him, he's a VIP. Have you listened to some of his speeches? He doesn't say anything important. Throws a joke here and there, parades the stage like a cock, adds a few curses here and there... All his talks are irrelevant and don't bring anything to the table, it's all just for show.
February 14, 2020, 01:56:37 PM
Just an idea. If Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto, he would definitely risk the real Satoshi come up with a proof, that Craig is not SN. Is it possible, that CW explicitly knows about the death of the person behind SN, so he can make his claims without backing them up with a proof?
I don’t really think so. Craig Wright isn’t the only person that have claimed to be Satoshi Nakamoto and he’s not even the first that has done that. He did it because he knew the real Satoshi is not ready to reveal himself, but unfortunately for him he doesn’t have any proof that shows he’s the real Satoshi Nakamoto, so he ended up embarrassing himself.We don’t even know whether the real person is still alive or not, and even if Craig was one of part of the team he wouldn’t be the only one, so others would have come out as well and stop him acting selfishly. They will even stop him before he goes public with this BS.
February 14, 2020, 09:53:56 AM
There are way too many theories about this. We can only assume and speculate. But in the end, I think it doesn't even matter.
February 14, 2020, 08:50:14 AM
Or perhaps because people keep talking about him and given him the reason to even behave like that, the man is feeling on the attention people are paying on him, when people choose to ignore him then he won't have enough interest to pursue,
I think it is time people learn to pay less attention to this homo sapien.
I think it is time people learn to pay less attention to this homo sapien.
February 14, 2020, 07:11:05 AM
I don't think theymos, or anyone else for that matter, knows who the real Satoshi is. All we can do is verify a message signed with the PGP key or any of the known early bitcoin addresses.
So far, no one has done so.
So far, no one has done so.
I was also in the 'sign a message' camp, but even if it's done eventually, it's still no concrete evidence that we're dealing with the 'real' satoshi.
Private keys can exchange hands, either on a voluntary or non-voluntary basis. As long as nobody signs from any of those ancient 50BTC reward addresses it's safe to say that the real winner is the market (i.e. the holders of Bitcoin), which I add a whole lot more weight to than finding out who or what satoshi is. In other words, people shouldn't want x/y/z entity to ever sign a message.
This however also means that losers such as CSW have free game to claim that they are the inventor of Bitcoin. Rather this than the price crashing hard.
You are contradicting yourself. One one hand you say, that private keys can exchange hands and it would be no concrete evidence, on the other you would believe somebody who signs with one of the ancient Bitcoin addresses (with the private keys nessecary to do this - which could have exchanded hands).
Sure it would be no 100% evidence, but what else would Satoshi have to prove he is the real one?
If somebody signs his PGP or with one of the old addresses, most people would believe him. No doubt.
These are some of the ways Satoshi could validate themselves.
PGP signature from Satoshi
Old bitcoin address signed message
In depth detailed knowledge of bitcoin
Demeanor and writing style
Knowledge of private messages sent to various contributors
Convince Theymos and others that were part of the early core team.
Someone who genuinely wants to verify themselves does so patiently and welcomes public scrutiny - knowing it will be met with skepticism.
February 14, 2020, 06:59:42 AM
I don't think theymos, or anyone else for that matter, knows who the real Satoshi is. All we can do is verify a message signed with the PGP key or any of the known early bitcoin addresses.
So far, no one has done so.
So far, no one has done so.
I was also in the 'sign a message' camp, but even if it's done eventually, it's still no concrete evidence that we're dealing with the 'real' satoshi.
Private keys can exchange hands, either on a voluntary or non-voluntary basis. As long as nobody signs from any of those ancient 50BTC reward addresses it's safe to say that the real winner is the market (i.e. the holders of Bitcoin), which I add a whole lot more weight to than finding out who or what satoshi is. In other words, people shouldn't want x/y/z entity to ever sign a message.
This however also means that losers such as CSW have free game to claim that they are the inventor of Bitcoin. Rather this than the price crashing hard.
You are contradicting yourself. One one hand you say, that private keys can exchange hands and it would be no concrete evidence, on the other you would believe somebody who signs with one of the ancient Bitcoin addresses (with the private keys nessecary to do this - which could have exchanded hands).
Sure it would be no 100% evidence, but what else would Satoshi have to prove he is the real one?
If somebody signs his PGP or with one of the old addresses, most people would believe him. No doubt.
February 13, 2020, 03:03:07 PM
I don't think theymos, or anyone else for that matter, knows who the real Satoshi is. All we can do is verify a message signed with the PGP key or any of the known early bitcoin addresses.
So far, no one has done so.
So far, no one has done so.
I was also in the 'sign a message' camp, but even if it's done eventually, it's still no concrete evidence that we're dealing with the 'real' satoshi.
Private keys can exchange hands, either on a voluntary or non-voluntary basis. As long as nobody signs from any of those ancient 50BTC reward addresses it's safe to say that the real winner is the market (i.e. the holders of Bitcoin), which I add a whole lot more weight to than finding out who or what satoshi is. In other words, people shouldn't want x/y/z entity to ever sign a message.
This however also means that losers such as CSW have free game to claim that they are the inventor of Bitcoin. Rather this than the price crashing hard.
February 13, 2020, 02:49:20 PM
I don't think that this is a possible scenario. One of the reasons for believing so is that there are others who are aware of the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, such as Michael Marquardt (username Theymos). In case Craig Wright claims that he is Satoshi and if the real Satoshi is dead, then what prevents Marquardt from coming up with the proof? I am sure that he is not doing that only because the real Satoshi is alive and he don't want to reveal his identity.
I don't think theymos, or anyone else for that matter, knows who the real Satoshi is. All we can do is verify a message signed with the PGP key or any of the known early bitcoin addresses.
So far, no one has done so.
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