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Quote from: kro55 on February 04, 2022, 11:05:30 AM

Teams like Kenya and Zimbabwe were a force to reckon with. And now I don't even hear the name of Kenya & Zimbabwe doesn't have its own cricket board.

Things have changed rather quickly. These two countries and especially Zimbabwe produced a lot of great players in the past. But now it's all gone and those who are still playing at a good level are facing a lot of problems. Like Brendan Taylor who is banned now.

Unfortunately, ICC doesn't like to even think about these problems and is more interested in making money. I think that if this continues it's not long before cricket will lose most of its interest and also people will not be interested to play or see this game anymore.

While everyone is crazing and excited for money rich leagues but nobody at the moment cares for the dark side of these leagues. ICC now adays is completely busy in scheduling international cricket in accordance with IPL, there is hardly any attention from ICC on disappearance of teams like Kenya and Zim.

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Quote from: galambo on February 03, 2022, 10:44:22 AM

Kenya was once integral part of icc tournaments but its no where to be seen and very soon Zim will also vanish from international scenes (I hope this wont be true). Icc must distribute funds based on need not on how mighty a board is. Afghanistan should get good funding against Aus or India as it has limited resources.

Kenya was really on very positive way and Zimbabwe was also having some extraordinary players those were capable to bring this game in very good shape with these teams and South Africa mean three big cricketing nations from continent of Africa can give very good fan base to cricket but sadly now it's all gone, and we have nothing good and positive in this region even now we are losing interest in Canada and West Indies as well and now have very few countries in Asia Australia and New Zealand with better fan base in Europe cricket is never been on good way and Soccer, Rugby and Tennis is having mostly youths attraction and ICC never done any good thing for Latin America continent.

Teams like Kenya and Zimbabwe were a force to reckon with. And now I don't even hear the name of Kenya & Zimbabwe doesn't have its own cricket board.

Things have changed rather quickly. These two countries and especially Zimbabwe produced a lot of great players in the past. But now it's all gone and those who are still playing at a good level are facing a lot of problems. Like Brendan Taylor who is banned now.

Unfortunately, ICC doesn't like to even think about these problems and is more interested in making money. I think that if this continues it's not long before cricket will lose most of its interest and also people will not be interested to play or see this game anymore.

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Quote from: Emitdama on February 02, 2022, 01:55:48 PM

ICC can't do anything in any country for development because they have no sources or any better idea for this all from day 1 they never do anything it's all happening by mostly boards own sources and some addiction recently we have some good talk about Big 3 and other weak boards why because these Big 3 widening this gape instead of giving some better and fair system every one want to have more power and finances, so this is killing now we are on verge of losing few countries like West Indies and Zimbabwe due to poor system and lack of facilities so now all ICC and cricket is moving around IPL and Big 3 so just keep going and enjoy this all because they have big fan base and most entertaining league around the world.

There is flaw in small boards also why don't they join hands to fight for there rights. They all right now are behaving as slave of 3 masters. They have to realize that big 3 only exists because of small boards. As long as small boards are happy with current scenario, things will continue to move like that.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on February 02, 2022, 10:10:32 AM

This is what I was saying there is no proof of fixing in IPL and yes we can helplessly speculate on that. Secondly, ICC laws are strict when it comes to small boards like zim, pak, WI etc. I don't think there will be any positive development in cricket in days to come with current restricted role of ICC.

There are a few players that got a life time ban after the IPL scandal came out and if there is no proof of fixing those players could have approached the court for ruining their career and they would have got a huge compensation, instead what they did is try to prove their innocence and get out of the situation rather than going after them if they were falsely targeted.

Yes, there was an inquiry, few players got lifetime bans and Chennai owner was also banned for some time as well. In BCCI and ICC all know what's happening around IPL but Deep Pockets working, so they are watching and can't do anything. BCCI is managed by strong political leadership in India so just because of this media is also had not enough power to do anything against this corruption just sometime they shout few pics or news about few wired peoples when they sit with players in dressing rooms or having parties something like these things.

Right now we have too many concerns in ICC about media rights and finances just because of India because they were in strong hold and done some big blunders which is now creating issues and many countries suffering just because of this all.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 03, 2022, 07:08:34 AM

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And certainly, such things can be detrimental for cricket because there are already very few countries playing cricket professionally.
If these type of favoritism goes into ICC I think it's not very long before cricket will lose its interest. A lot of people around the world loves cricket very dearly. But if the competition gets more narrowed day by day then it is obvious that cricket will surely lose a lot of those cricket enthusiasts.

If there are very few teams playing cricket, then the ICC is also responsible for that. They killed cricket in associate nations when Srinivasan-Pawar cabal was in power. Everyone knows what happened to teams such as Kenya and Canada. After showing a lot of promise, cricket died out all of a sudden in these countries due to lack of support from the ICC. And what happened in Zimbabwe also needs to be blamed on the ICC. They are still supporting the corrupt cricket board members, despite receiving proof that the funds are being stolen.

At this moment I am really cautious about the future of international cricket or maybe cricket as a game, because I just think that ICC has become too greedy and doesn't care about the betterment of cricket at the moment.

I think that they should stop thinking about money and start looking at the problems and solve them immediately because cricket is inevitably dying. And if ICC doesn't take the necessary steps, it will be really hard to get those Golden days of cricket back again.

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Quote from: romero121 on February 03, 2022, 01:39:19 PM

90% of the revenue is generated from India. This is the reason why BCCI hands are high on ICC. Maybe that's the reason why there is flaws with the distribution. As of now the teams now in need were Afghanistan, Zimbabwe and Ireland. This could change when the teams push themselves high in the big tournaments. Also, it can also be considered a way to keep those teams down.

It is definitely not 90%, but more in the range of 50% to 60%. But that shouldn't matter. Take the example of other sports bodies such as FIFA. They don't distribute funds based on the proportion from where the revenues originated. In that case, the United States should claim for 50% of the ICC funds. India receives 4 times as much funds from the ICC when compared to other test playing nations and they should be happy with it. And the joke is that the BCCI doesn't even need these funds. They just received $2 billion by auctioning two franchises in the IPL.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on February 02, 2022, 10:10:32 AM

This is what I was saying there is no proof of fixing in IPL and yes we can helplessly speculate on that. Secondly, ICC laws are strict when it comes to small boards like zim, pak, WI etc. I don't think there will be any positive development in cricket in days to come with current restricted role of ICC.

There are a few players that got a life time ban after the IPL scandal came out and if there is no proof of fixing those players could have approached the court for ruining their career and they would have got a huge compensation, instead what they did is try to prove their innocence and get out of the situation rather than going after them if they were falsely targeted.

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Quote from: romero121 on February 03, 2022, 01:39:19 PM

Quote from: galambo on February 03, 2022, 10:44:22 AM

Kenya was once integral part of icc tournaments but its no where to be seen and very soon Zim will also vanish from international scenes (I hope this wont be true). Icc must distribute funds based on need not on how mighty a board is. Afghanistan should get good funding against Aus or India as it has limited resources.

90% of the revenue is generated from India. This is the reason why BCCI hands are high on ICC. Maybe that's the reason why there is flaws with the distribution. As of now the teams now in need were Afghanistan, Zimbabwe and Ireland. This could change when the teams push themselves high in the big tournaments. Also, it can also be considered a way to keep those teams down.

Correct your statics because it's not 90% it's between 70% and recently just because of this all they have strong hold on ICC decisions and have some better favour for this player's attitude and window for IPL. ICC officials understand, so they are having soft policies because it's all culture of ICC, first we have Australia and England and now India is handling things with this advantage.

Many talks about this but these all are useless because no one want to bring fair policy which help this game and improve market, sadly even we are losing interest in many countries and few already on verge of giving up just because of having not better favour from ICC for their domestic set up.

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Quote from: galambo on February 03, 2022, 10:44:22 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 03, 2022, 07:08:34 AM

If there are very few teams playing cricket, then the ICC is also responsible for that. They killed cricket in associate nations when Srinivasan-Pawar cabal was in power. Everyone knows what happened to teams such as Kenya and Canada. After showing a lot of promise, cricket died out all of a sudden in these countries due to lack of support from the ICC. And what happened in Zimbabwe also needs to be blamed on the ICC. They are still supporting the corrupt cricket board members, despite receiving proof that the funds are being stolen.

Kenya was once integral part of icc tournaments but its no where to be seen and very soon Zim will also vanish from international scenes (I hope this wont be true). Icc must distribute funds based on need not on how mighty a board is. Afghanistan should get good funding against Aus or India as it has limited resources.

90% of the revenue is generated from India. This is the reason why BCCI hands are high on ICC. Maybe that's the reason why there is flaws with the distribution. As of now the teams now in need were Afghanistan, Zimbabwe and Ireland. This could change when the teams push themselves high in the big tournaments. Also, it can also be considered a way to keep those teams down.

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Quote from: galambo on February 03, 2022, 10:44:22 AM

Kenya was once integral part of icc tournaments but its no where to be seen and very soon Zim will also vanish from international scenes (I hope this wont be true). Icc must distribute funds based on need not on how mighty a board is. Afghanistan should get good funding against Aus or India as it has limited resources.

Kenya was really on very positive way and Zimbabwe was also having some extraordinary players those were capable to bring this game in very good shape with these teams and South Africa mean three big cricketing nations from continent of Africa can give very good fan base to cricket but sadly now it's all gone, and we have nothing good and positive in this region even now we are losing interest in Canada and West Indies as well and now have very few countries in Asia Australia and New Zealand with better fan base in Europe cricket is never been on good way and Soccer, Rugby and Tennis is having mostly youths attraction and ICC never done any good thing for Latin America continent.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 03, 2022, 07:08:34 AM

If there are very few teams playing cricket, then the ICC is also responsible for that. They killed cricket in associate nations when Srinivasan-Pawar cabal was in power. Everyone knows what happened to teams such as Kenya and Canada. After showing a lot of promise, cricket died out all of a sudden in these countries due to lack of support from the ICC. And what happened in Zimbabwe also needs to be blamed on the ICC. They are still supporting the corrupt cricket board members, despite receiving proof that the funds are being stolen.

Kenya was once integral part of icc tournaments but its no where to be seen and very soon Zim will also vanish from international scenes (I hope this wont be true). Icc must distribute funds based on need not on how mighty a board is. Afghanistan should get good funding against Aus or India as it has limited resources.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on February 03, 2022, 03:34:32 AM

And certainly, such things can be detrimental for cricket because there are already very few countries playing cricket professionally.

If these type of favoritism goes into ICC I think it's not very long before cricket will lose its interest. A lot of people around the world loves cricket very dearly. But if the competition gets more narrowed day by day then it is obvious that cricket will surely lose a lot of those cricket enthusiasts.

If there are very few teams playing cricket, then the ICC is also responsible for that. They killed cricket in associate nations when Srinivasan-Pawar cabal was in power. Everyone knows what happened to teams such as Kenya and Canada. After showing a lot of promise, cricket died out all of a sudden in these countries due to lack of support from the ICC. And what happened in Zimbabwe also needs to be blamed on the ICC. They are still supporting the corrupt cricket board members, despite receiving proof that the funds are being stolen.

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Quote from: Emitdama on February 02, 2022, 01:55:48 PM

Quote from: blatchcorn on February 02, 2022, 10:10:32 AM

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I feel there’s two sides here first of all when people accuse ICC of not taking action can they produce conclusive proof of rigging in IPL short answer no, can they speculate matches were rigged yes, but without proof ICC cannot do anything.
Lastly had ICC allowed Brendon to walk away people would have been livid saying ICC is weak, and doesn’t care about matches being fixed hence we see whatever action ICC takes it’s always going to get lots of criticism for it.

This is what I was saying there is no proof of fixing in IPL and yes we can helplessly speculate on that. Secondly, ICC laws are strict when it comes to small boards like zim, pak, WI etc. I don't think there will be any positive development in cricket in days to come with current restricted role of ICC.

ICC can't do anything in any country for development because they have no sources or any better idea for this all from day 1 they never do anything it's all happening by mostly boards own sources and some addiction recently we have some good talk about Big 3 and other weak boards why because these Big 3 widening this gape instead of giving some better and fair system every one want to have more power and finances, so this is killing now we are on verge of losing few countries like West Indies and Zimbabwe due to poor system and lack of facilities so now all ICC and cricket is moving around IPL and Big 3 so just keep going and enjoy this all because they have big fan base and most entertaining league around the world.

And certainly, such things can be detrimental for cricket because there are already very few countries playing cricket professionally.

If these type of favoritism goes into ICC I think it's not very long before cricket will lose its interest. A lot of people around the world loves cricket very dearly. But if the competition gets more narrowed day by day then it is obvious that cricket will surely lose a lot of those cricket enthusiasts.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on February 02, 2022, 10:10:32 AM

Quote from: Juggy777 on February 01, 2022, 02:19:46 AM

I feel there’s two sides here first of all when people accuse ICC of not taking action can they produce conclusive proof of rigging in IPL short answer no, can they speculate matches were rigged yes, but without proof ICC cannot do anything.

Lastly had ICC allowed Brendon to walk away people would have been livid saying ICC is weak, and doesn’t care about matches being fixed hence we see whatever action ICC takes it’s always going to get lots of criticism for it.

This is what I was saying there is no proof of fixing in IPL and yes we can helplessly speculate on that. Secondly, ICC laws are strict when it comes to small boards like zim, pak, WI etc. I don't think there will be any positive development in cricket in days to come with current restricted role of ICC.

ICC can't do anything in any country for development because they have no sources or any better idea for this all from day 1 they never do anything it's all happening by mostly boards own sources and some addiction recently we have some good talk about Big 3 and other weak boards why because these Big 3 widening this gape instead of giving some better and fair system every one want to have more power and finances, so this is killing now we are on verge of losing few countries like West Indies and Zimbabwe due to poor system and lack of facilities so now all ICC and cricket is moving around IPL and Big 3 so just keep going and enjoy this all because they have big fan base and most entertaining league around the world.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on February 01, 2022, 02:19:46 AM

I feel there’s two sides here first of all when people accuse ICC of not taking action can they produce conclusive proof of rigging in IPL short answer no, can they speculate matches were rigged yes, but without proof ICC cannot do anything.

Lastly had ICC allowed Brendon to walk away people would have been livid saying ICC is weak, and doesn’t care about matches being fixed hence we see whatever action ICC takes it’s always going to get lots of criticism for it.

This is what I was saying there is no proof of fixing in IPL and yes we can helplessly speculate on that. Secondly, ICC laws are strict when it comes to small boards like zim, pak, WI etc. I don't think there will be any positive development in cricket in days to come with current restricted role of ICC.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 29, 2022, 10:40:41 PM

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According to his own confession he was told by alleged businessman that 15k was some sort of token amount for new sponsorship, they also sent him tickets so that he can visit them personally at Mumbai. Then he was offered Cocaine at the party, he didn't think much and took it willingly. During their cocaine session someone recorded everything and blackmail game started.

So it was trap set for him and he thought it was a business opportunity and they secretly recorded his interactions so that they could control him later. In situations like these, i can sit here and say he should have approached the authorities the first day he got the blackmail call but who knows what the situation he faced. If i was in his shoes, i doubt i would have done anything differently if i really thought it was a genuine business proposal.

I won't say trap per se because its a normal tactic and every board, club, big or small brief their players, staff etc on bookies or honeytrap (mainly) etc all the time. If he's telling a truth then he's dumb person imo and players should be more vigilante cause stakes are always high if you get caught and btw he didn't refund those 15k to anyone.

Well, when it comes to blackmailing then obviously they are going to give threats about family and friends and to protect them a person can do anything.

I really don't think that he had any other choice, and I also think that if he knew that something like this is going to happen he surely would have avoided it at any cost. It's actually obvious that the player really fell into the trap which was set for him. But, I think ok obviously when some unknown person offers you a drug you shouldn't take it, well you shouldn't take drugs anyway.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on February 01, 2022, 06:59:15 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 29, 2022, 10:40:41 PM

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According to his own confession he was told by alleged businessman that 15k was some sort of token amount for new sponsorship, they also sent him tickets so that he can visit them personally at Mumbai. Then he was offered Cocaine at the party, he didn't think much and took it willingly. During their cocaine session someone recorded everything and blackmail game started.

So it was trap set for him and he thought it was a business opportunity and they secretly recorded his interactions so that they could control him later. In situations like these, i can sit here and say he should have approached the authorities the first day he got the blackmail call but who knows what the situation he faced. If i was in his shoes, i doubt i would have done anything differently if i really thought it was a genuine business proposal.

I won't say trap per se because its a normal tactic and every board, club, big or small brief their players, staff etc on bookies or honeytrap (mainly) etc all the time. If he's telling a truth then he's dumb person imo and players should be more vigilante cause stakes are always high if you get caught and btw he didn't refund those 15k to anyone.

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Quote from: perfect999 on February 01, 2022, 03:24:26 PM

Quote from: Juggy777 on February 01, 2022, 02:19:46 AM

I feel there’s two sides here first of all when people accuse ICC of not taking action can they produce conclusive proof of rigging in IPL short answer no, can they speculate matches were rigged yes, but without proof ICC cannot do anything.
Lastly had ICC allowed Brendon to walk away people would have been livid saying ICC is weak, and doesn’t care about matches being fixed hence we see whatever action ICC takes it’s always going to get lots of criticism for it.

If ICC has fair and balanced system then surely many proofs can give them good view about this all as recently we have some good number of media reports about IPL franchises and many players connections with wired persons around this IPL, but they are living in dream world with this money which is coming from this league, and they have many luxuries which are not possible without this.
And they have all laws and regulations for very few boards which have not good relationship with BCCI, or they are not in their good list it's matter of shame for them. After introduction of this league now cricket is dirty game for all as sometime back this was game of gentlemen but sadly dirty money change values and all love and addiction about this game.

Sometimes I get truly amazed because cricket is not played in most of the countries of the world and only a small number of countries play cricket. it should have been an easy job for ICC to handle everything but we all know that they are already corrupted. And there is certainly a lot of favoritism which is going on in ICC as well. I know that no one is an angel. But at least everyone can be better at the job that they are supposed to do.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 29, 2022, 10:40:41 PM

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According to his own confession he was told by alleged businessman that 15k was some sort of token amount for new sponsorship, they also sent him tickets so that he can visit them personally at Mumbai. Then he was offered Cocaine at the party, he didn't think much and took it willingly. During their cocaine session someone recorded everything and blackmail game started.

So it was trap set for him and he thought it was a business opportunity and they secretly recorded his interactions so that they could control him later. In situations like these, i can sit here and say he should have approached the authorities the first day he got the blackmail call but who knows what the situation he faced. If i was in his shoes, i doubt i would have done anything differently if i really thought it was a genuine business proposal.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on February 01, 2022, 02:19:46 AM

I feel there’s two sides here first of all when people accuse ICC of not taking action can they produce conclusive proof of rigging in IPL short answer no, can they speculate matches were rigged yes, but without proof ICC cannot do anything.

Lastly had ICC allowed Brendon to walk away people would have been livid saying ICC is weak, and doesn’t care about matches being fixed hence we see whatever action ICC takes it’s always going to get lots of criticism for it.

If ICC has fair and balanced system then surely many proofs can give them good view about this all as recently we have some good number of media reports about IPL franchises and many players connections with wired persons around this IPL, but they are living in dream world with this money which is coming from this league, and they have many luxuries which are not possible without this.

And they have all laws and regulations for very few boards which have not good relationship with BCCI, or they are not in their good list it's matter of shame for them. After introduction of this league now cricket is dirty game for all as sometime back this was game of gentlemen but sadly dirty money change values and all love and addiction about this game.

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