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November 26, 2024, 01:01:50 PM
It’s great to see activity on this thread again! My squad and I made several attempts to revive the game over the years, but without a dedicated development team and sufficient funding, it just wasn’t feasible. If anyone has questions about the history of the game or needs assistance with anything related to it, feel free to reach out—I’m happy to help!
legendary
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November 17, 2024, 09:06:17 PM
That email did work, but went into spam folder so I only happened to look for it because I had happened to see this thread in first page of Altcoin Discussion and read its new posts thus saw your mention of having emailed me.

Better is to use DM here to alert me as I don't recall this forum's notifications of DMs falling into my email's spam folder so it seems a reasonably reliable way to get me initially alerted that someone here is trying to contact me.

I followed CK posts here back when the game was live, one thing that struck me about it was that from the tone of the posts it somehow managed to give me an impression that it had kindred ideas behind it; in particular I was led so expect that its seemingly somewhat "direct" use of Monero meant that basically all (or at least a rather high percentage of) the Monero anyone spent into the game would in effect become "buy side" to game assets.

So I expected it would use some of the ideas come up with for the Galactic Milieu, maybe even things like locking what people paid for game land to that land and maybe also using any "land taxes" paid on the land to build in an increasing value to the land by locking more and more Monero over time into each piece of land.

Basically the kind of naive ideas I originally had about NFTs before I saw their actual implementation; I had naturally assumed a NFT would be a pile of coins locked into manifesting as a particular object, so that upon disassembling or recycling that object it would kind of be melted down into its component coins. Maybe even have a coin for each element or even fundamental particle so one would build compounds by building "baskets" of a variety of coins, maybe form water molecules or gram-molecular-weights out of 2 hydrogen coins plus one oxygen coin, things like that.

Imagine my disappointment when it came out that actually the supposedly-underlying Monero was actually gone! Sad

In my experience, even with early releases of MySQL, most databases are not truly reliable.

That is part of why when writing standard business software suites (accounts payable, accounts receivable, inventory, payroll, job costing etc, all  of course subledgers of the general ledger) one builds "trial balance" steps into one's monthends and such; one needs to be ready to find it does not balance, and fix things until the trial balance does balance before running the actual month-end.

Possibly nowadays failure of the trial balance to balance might tend more and more toward being data-entry-clerk error rather than database error but that was not always the case.

In particular I learned that typically game code cannot be relied upon to balance.

Too often exploits are possible, such as moving some inventory from one "room" or "map" or "area" or "region" or whatever to another then crashing the system with timing that ends up duplicating inventory, all kinds of exploits, bugs, and so on.

Nonetheless I do not think actually trying to run on blockchain is generally a good idea; ultimately when something like "The Internet Computer" platform can compile existing games to run on the blockchain then fine, let them do it, we can go fully on blockchain by that mechanism.

Meanwhile though I took the stance that it suffices for now to provide "spot markets" where some currency or other used in some existing game can be traded, and let such markets provide the interface to blockchain.

Having such spot markets for inventory other than currencies is also a nice idea, but overall what we gain by interfacing through markets is a go-between layer so that if some currency or inventory suddenly gets duplicated out of nothing the game is not screwed by suddenly for example having more tokens representing blockchain coins than it has blockchain coins to redeem those tokens with.

It is extremely disappointing that the Monero put into Crypto Kingdom vanished, but even if it had not having it reside in markets as buy-side offers to buy in game stuff might have been more robust than having it however it was supposedly had, that apparently turned out to be that it was not had at all but in fact vanished...


-MarkM-
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November 17, 2024, 04:01:31 PM
Awesome!

We happen to currently be in a period of possibly almost "perfect storm", inasmuch as of the two crypto platforms we are currently using one of them, the Stellar platform, has just very recently now displayed a nice surge back upward toward the value it had about half a year ago or more, so is looking quite likely now to soon be back into a "useful" range...

...While both the other platform we use, HORIZON, and the reference coin we use as our default "unit of account" when displaying the "Latest Rates" values computed for our game assets, are still in the depths of a "post dump doldrums" meaning both of them (HZ and DVC) are "insanely" cheap on their "spot markets".

Those facts combine to make this an almost ideal moment to enter.

Not fully ideal because Stellar has already climbed a lot thus having picked up a stash of Stellar back when it was in the 9 to 10 cents USD range or lower would obviously have been even better, but still almost ideal both because Stellar still has a good way to go to regain its levels of less than a year ago and because both HZ and DVC are currently still crazy-cheap because people's gains in these last few days of altcoin bull market have not yet gobbled up all the cheap HZ and DVC.

The "spot market" for HZ is itself on Stellar too so while Stellar is still down relatively entry is aided not just by the insanely low price of HZ as measured in XLM but also by XLM not having fully recovered yet.

HZ has been problematic for a long time now because at least one of its "whales" that discovered the fact the Galactic Milieu is using the HORIZON platform chose to totally trash its value rather than using their position as one of its "whales" to ratchet it upward in value and keep taking more and more and more of it "off the markets" in the Galactic Milieu's tradition of accumulating coins and tokens not for dumping but rather to take more and more of more and more things "off of the markets", since utimately money is IOUs so the goal of issuers should of course be to "buy back" their IOUs, their real value being in the very fact that they exist for the very purpose of being "bought back"...

Probably the best place to start with establishing values is with the "RPG" (Role Playing Game) currency, which is typically things like copper pieces, silver pieces, gold pieces, platinum pieces and so on.

Those are usually not hard to come up with an equivalence for, for example we correlate CoffeeMUD's goldpieces with Crossfire RPG's goldpieces directly, and even correlate the "credits" in the web-based game "Galaxy Forces" with Crossfire RPG's platinum pieces.

From there we are able to convert into crypto simply by using the asset MGOLD (MUD gold) on HORIZON or AMBerium (Crossfire RPG's Amberium piece, equivalent to 50k gold pieces, 10k platinum pieces, or 100 jade pieces - a jade is 100 platinum, a platinum is 5 gold) on Stellar.


-MarkM-


Yeah, I took a look at your site and some other links, but it's very detailed for a quick glance. You'd probably 100% "get" the CK stuff if you saw it. Anyway, sent you an email with more detail to your address on your profile, so we can continue the conversation there. Or if that email doesn't work, send me a DM with one that does or your handle on Telegram or Discord or something.
legendary
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November 17, 2024, 10:52:16 AM
Awesome!

We happen to currently be in a period of possibly almost "perfect storm", inasmuch as of the two crypto platforms we are currently using one of them, the Stellar platform, has just very recently now displayed a nice surge back upward toward the value it had about half a year ago or more, so is looking quite likely now to soon be back into a "useful" range...

...While both the other platform we use, HORIZON, and the reference coin we use as our default "unit of account" when displaying the "Latest Rates" values computed for our game assets, are still in the depths of a "post dump doldrums" meaning both of them (HZ and DVC) are "insanely" cheap on their "spot markets".

Those facts combine to make this an almost ideal moment to enter.

Not fully ideal because Stellar has already climbed a lot thus having picked up a stash of Stellar back when it was in the 9 to 10 cents USD range or lower would obviously have been even better, but still almost ideal both because Stellar still has a good way to go to regain its levels of less than a year ago and because both HZ and DVC are currently still crazy-cheap because people's gains in these last few days of altcoin bull market have not yet gobbled up all the cheap HZ and DVC.

The "spot market" for HZ is itself on Stellar too so while Stellar is still down relatively entry is aided not just by the insanely low price of HZ as measured in XLM but also by XLM not having fully recovered yet.

HZ has been problematic for a long time now because at least one of its "whales" that discovered the fact the Galactic Milieu is using the HORIZON platform chose to totally trash its value rather than using their position as one of its "whales" to ratchet it upward in value and keep taking more and more and more of it "off the markets" in the Galactic Milieu's tradition of accumulating coins and tokens not for dumping but rather to take more and more of more and more things "off of the markets", since utimately money is IOUs so the goal of issuers should of course be to "buy back" their IOUs, their real value being in the very fact that they exist for the very purpose of being "bought back"...

Probably the best place to start with establishing values is with the "RPG" (Role Playing Game) currency, which is typically things like copper pieces, silver pieces, gold pieces, platinum pieces and so on.

Those are usually not hard to come up with an equivalence for, for example we correlate CoffeeMUD's goldpieces with Crossfire RPG's goldpieces directly, and even correlate the "credits" in the web-based game "Galaxy Forces" with Crossfire RPG's platinum pieces.

From there we are able to convert into crypto simply by using the asset MGOLD (MUD gold) on HORIZON or AMBerium (Crossfire RPG's Amberium piece, equivalent to 50k gold pieces, 10k platinum pieces, or 100 jade pieces - a jade is 100 platinum, a platinum is 5 gold) on Stellar.


-MarkM-
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November 17, 2024, 04:28:59 AM
Partly because the Galactic Milieu has historically already been rescuing "dead" or "endangered" cryptos, I am a little curious as to whether your data retains enough ownership data to enable at least some kind of attempted continuance in which all the characters for example could be set up with something(s) in lieu of, and maybe even in emulation of, the things they had.

Of the places-and-things representations the Milieu uses possibly Crossfire-RPG could work to set up a representation of characters and places that existed? Or maybe CoffeeMUD might be better?

Maybe a team could organise via this thread to brainstorm on details?

If value can be re-injected into the thing maybe given enough players who owned enough things we can re-inject value into could raise however much you might be looking to sell for, or maybe you could even consider being paid in the very media of the representation(s) of it all that we manage to inject value into?

-MarkM-


Hi: Just so happened to randomly check BTCTalk and saw your message. I have replied to the email account you provided on your profile with more detail so we can continue the conversation there.

To answer some questions publicly in case anyone else is looking. Yes to the first part about ownership data. Full record of all items, land, buildings, etc. per user account. Full transaction history too and XMR spent as well. Not an RPG/MUD person on my end.

But yes, with 2013 Bellscoin, Luckycoin, and so on being revived and going to $10mil+, there is certainly potential here since this was essentially the first crypto game at scale, it just wasn't fully on blockchain and only used XMR as on and off ramps. I remember there was HunterCoin that was very basic and maybe fully on chain? Then the Crypto Kingdom project, which predated BitCrystals and so on?

Still amazing that even after all these years, if you look at the "Altcoin Discussion" section and rank by views, CK's original thread is #2 by views even though its been inactive since 2018 or so.
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September 25, 2024, 03:27:46 AM
Partly because the Galactic Milieu has historically already been rescuing "dead" or "endangered" cryptos, I am a little curious as to whether your data retains enough ownership data to enable at least some kind of attempted continuance in which all the characters for example could be set up with something(s) in lieu of, and maybe even in emulation of, the things they had.

Of the places-and-things representations the Milieu uses possibly Crossfire-RPG could work to set up a representation of characters and places that existed? Or maybe CoffeeMUD might be better?

Maybe a team could organise via this thread to brainstorm on details?

If value can be re-injected into the thing maybe given enough players who owned enough things we can re-inject value into could raise however much you might be looking to sell for, or maybe you could even consider being paid in the very media of the representation(s) of it all that we manage to inject value into?

-MarkM-


the CK game was before its time, sad it didn't work out, would be awesome if someone revived it
legendary
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September 15, 2024, 02:30:55 PM
Partly because the Galactic Milieu has historically already been rescuing "dead" or "endangered" cryptos, I am a little curious as to whether your data retains enough ownership data to enable at least some kind of attempted continuance in which all the characters for example could be set up with something(s) in lieu of, and maybe even in emulation of, the things they had.

Of the places-and-things representations the Milieu uses possibly Crossfire-RPG could work to set up a representation of characters and places that existed? Or maybe CoffeeMUD might be better?

Maybe a team could organise via this thread to brainstorm on details?

If value can be re-injected into the thing maybe given enough players who owned enough things we can re-inject value into could raise however much you might be looking to sell for, or maybe you could even consider being paid in the very media of the representation(s) of it all that we manage to inject value into?

-MarkM-
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March 16, 2023, 05:10:52 AM
Double bump...

Bump.

If anyone is interested, I would like to sell the following domains related to this project:

cryptokingdom.me
cryptokingdom.com
cryptokingdom.gold


The .me domain was the original one Risto used, and I had to acquire the .com on the secondary market since he didn't think to register it when he started the project.

Additionally, I am willing to sell the complete game database and source code. The code is nothing fancy at all. Actually you'll be shocked at how bad it is considering how much Risto spent on it. But someone could possibly use the database and historic price data to create NFTs or a reboot or something. I mean there are some insane levels of "proof of burn" or "proof of value" to Crypto Kingdom items, considering items as pointless as unicorns went for 1000+ XMR in the past.

The database also has user email and account information, so if you wanted to airdrop assets to old users, it is possible for those that included a way to recover their accounts.

Please contact me via direct message if interested.


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March 16, 2023, 05:08:50 AM
Double bump...

Bump.

If anyone is interested, I would like to sell the following domains related to this project:

cryptokingdom.me
cryptokingdom.com
cryptokingdom.gold


The .me domain was the original one Risto used, and I had to acquire the .com on the secondary market since he didn't think to register it when he started the project.

Additionally, I am willing to sell the complete game database and source code. The code is nothing fancy at all. Actually you'll be shocked at how bad it is considering how much Risto spent on it. But someone could possibly use the database and historic price data to create NFTs or a reboot or something. I mean there are some insane levels of "proof of burn" or "proof of value" to Crypto Kingdom items, considering items as pointless as unicorns went for 1000+ XMR in the past.

The database also has user email and account information, so if you wanted to airdrop assets to old users, it is possible for those that included a way to recover their accounts.

Please contact me via direct message if interested.


hero member
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January 15, 2023, 12:26:19 PM
Bump.

If anyone is interested, I would like to sell the following domains related to this project:

cryptokingdom.me
cryptokingdom.com
cryptokingdom.gold


The .me domain was the original one Risto used, and I had to acquire the .com on the secondary market since he didn't think to register it when he started the project.

Additionally, I am willing to sell the complete game database and source code. The code is nothing fancy at all. Actually you'll be shocked at how bad it is considering how much Risto spent on it. But someone could possibly use the database and historic price data to create NFTs or a reboot or something. I mean there are some insane levels of "proof of burn" or "proof of value" to Crypto Kingdom items, considering items as pointless as unicorns went for 1000+ XMR in the past.

The database also has user email and account information, so if you wanted to airdrop assets to old users, it is possible for those that included a way to recover their accounts.

Please contact me via direct message if interested.


hero member
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March 14, 2022, 12:08:46 AM
If anyone is interested, I would like to sell the following domains related to this project:

cryptokingdom.me
cryptokingdom.com
cryptokingdom.gold


The .me domain was the original one Risto used, and I had to acquire the .com on the secondary market since he didn't think to register it when he started the project.

Additionally, I am willing to sell the complete game database and source code. The code is nothing fancy at all. Actually you'll be shocked at how bad it is considering how much Risto spent on it. But someone could possibly use the database and historic price data to create NFTs or a reboot or something. I mean there are some insane levels of "proof of burn" or "proof of value" to Crypto Kingdom items, considering items as pointless as unicorns went for 1000+ XMR in the past.

The database also has user email and account information, so if you wanted to airdrop assets to old users, it is possible for those that included a way to recover their accounts.

Please contact me via direct message if interested.

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December 17, 2021, 02:29:52 PM
Well, looks like the first quasi-crypto quasi-NFT will remain dead in the water... Cry

If anyone has any interest in tokenizing the items at least from Crypto Kingdom on XRP's Flare network, please let me know. Flare's Songbird test/canary network is releasing September 27.

I mean, come on: CryptoPunk alien images are going for $4.20mil... Angry

If you do that then you should get the first item, the one that you won at the auction! Unfortunately its physical position is in Malla with the black dragon.


Im up for tokenizing Kingdoms gear. Would be awesome to great some sick NFT's.
legendary
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December 06, 2021, 06:42:57 PM
Well, looks like the first quasi-crypto quasi-NFT will remain dead in the water... Cry

If anyone has any interest in tokenizing the items at least from Crypto Kingdom on XRP's Flare network, please let me know. Flare's Songbird test/canary network is releasing September 27.

I mean, come on: CryptoPunk alien images are going for $4.20mil... Angry

If you do that then you should get the first item, the one that you won at the auction! Unfortunately its physical position is in Malla with the black dragon.
hero member
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September 21, 2021, 09:58:32 PM
Well, looks like the first quasi-crypto quasi-NFT will remain dead in the water... Cry

If anyone has any interest in tokenizing the items at least from Crypto Kingdom on XRP's Flare network, please let me know. Flare's Songbird test/canary network is releasing September 27.

I mean, come on: CryptoPunk alien images are going for $4.20mil... Angry


Good idea!!

The historical significance of CK is beyond doubt, shame it ended the way it did, still a great idea!
hero member
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September 21, 2021, 05:22:11 AM
Well, looks like the first quasi-crypto quasi-NFT will remain dead in the water... Cry

If anyone has any interest in tokenizing the items at least from Crypto Kingdom on XRP's Flare network, please let me know. Flare's Songbird test/canary network is releasing September 27.

I mean, come on: CryptoPunk alien images are going for $4.20mil... Angry
newbie
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April 26, 2021, 02:21:14 PM
Given that Risto's account was last accessed at the beginning of just last month, there's a chance he is indeed still kicking.
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A Lingering Ghost
February 14, 2021, 11:25:40 PM
I'd imagine people from this thread might be interested in our crypto-project Townforge, which we have been working on with moneromooo for quite some time:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-townforge-a-norse-themed-crypto-mmocity-sim-game-testnet-5317101

While it is certainly not CK 2.0 nor do we wish to carry over issues from CK, it does pay homage to its good portions while leaving out the wackiness. For example, the game is fully on a blockchain (heavily modified Monero fork), is exit scam proof etc. Going from browser games to a 3D world makes it quite different, but hopefully some old time CK'ers will find it intriguing.
legendary
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January 02, 2021, 04:12:50 PM
These losses are based on in-game contracts that I partly refused to enforce

You stole close to 40 BTC from me (this sum does not include any interests, just the sum you took away directly by never executing my requested withdrawal, and running away with the funds then going dark).
As I said I am willing to forget the interests. However I expect payment of the principal in full.


"Running away with the funds", in my world entails that I have received them to my possession. This, however, never was the case. Is it possible to commit theft without gain?



40BTC is almost 1mln USD ... jesuschrist

It's a whole lot more than that. There were many others ripped off too.

Anyway, the guy is apparently dead (unless it is one of those fake "deaths" people heavily in debt occasionally try to pull off, and I have no evidence of that), so maybe it's time to put this to rest.
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December 22, 2020, 03:07:02 PM
These losses are based on in-game contracts that I partly refused to enforce

You stole close to 40 BTC from me (this sum does not include any interests, just the sum you took away directly by never executing my requested withdrawal, and running away with the funds then going dark).
As I said I am willing to forget the interests. However I expect payment of the principal in full.


"Running away with the funds", in my world entails that I have received them to my possession. This, however, never was the case. Is it possible to commit theft without gain?



40BTC is almost 1mln USD ... jesuschrist
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September 16, 2020, 07:49:42 PM
The King is no more.

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