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The actual summary of the court's decision is shown in the screenshot.



Details about the court's decision in the CIV case-2023-485-411 reviewed from November 13 to November 15 on the website of the New Zealand Court can be found here: https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/assets/cases/2023/2023-NZHC-3224.pdf
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I'll leave this here, maybe it will be useful to someone

Update for Cryptopia Claimants and Stakeholders 2 November 2023
https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/cryptopia-limited/update-for-cryptopia-claimants-and-stakeholders-2-november-2023/
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If you have been patient you will have to wait a little longer. Grant Thornton (the liquidators that are administering the business) have yet to declare the full funds they have managed to locate and have returned back in order for them to be classed as the assets owned by Cryptopia. My advice to you would be to not trade your 0.6 BTC for the 500 COG that is being being offered to Cryptopia victims and hopefully you will have news about your funds soon.

almost 4 year from the collapse, and almost 2 year hearing court distribution approval still in there without any real movement from liquidator
my 0.6btc is gone for nothing then lol, imagine lot of change in development many coin in there that still holding in wallet. is gonna pain job when distribution come in place, Lips sealed
newbie
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Say goodbye to your funds. First you get scammed by cryptopia, then you get scammed by liquidators and finally, if court accepts this point, you get scammed by NZ judicial system.
This saga has been dragged out for far too long. At the end of the day, investors have lost money and all they want is to get it back. Some investors will not give their identify for KYC therefore those funds can be recycled back to the recovered funds pot and be used towards those that will give KYC. Instead, all we here is more drama from the liquidators and Courts.

There should be a limit as to how much any liquidator or administrator is allowed to take for themselves because there is not an endless pit of Cryptopia funds. They are still trying to recover funds and the costs associated are simply going to take away a large amount of victims compensations whenever they will be made.

I agree, this shouldn't take that long. And if it's going to take that long, there should be an explanation of why it's taking so long.

This week NZ court will decide if they accept how they're going to give us back our funds. Let's hope we get back our funds before 2024.
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almost 4 year from the collapse, and almost 2 year hearing court distribution approval still in there without any real movement from liquidator
my 0.6btc is gone for nothing then lol, imagine lot of change in development many coin in there that still holding in wallet. is gonna pain job when distribution come in place, Lips sealed
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Say goodbye to your funds. First you get scammed by cryptopia, then you get scammed by liquidators and finally, if court accepts this point, you get scammed by NZ judicial system.
This saga has been dragged out for far too long. At the end of the day, investors have lost money and all they want is to get it back. Some investors will not give their identify for KYC therefore those funds can be recycled back to the recovered funds pot and be used towards those that will give KYC. Instead, all we here is more drama from the liquidators and Courts.

There should be a limit as to how much any liquidator or administrator is allowed to take for themselves because there is not an endless pit of Cryptopia funds. They are still trying to recover funds and the costs associated are simply going to take away a large amount of victims compensations whenever they will be made.
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I just got my check from Voyager, which was small as I didn't keep much there.  But they took about a year, cryptopia is taking ages.
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Today there was an Update from the Liquidators about the next steps and how the things are !
The whole Information about that you can read in the following Link from the Liquidators.
Source : https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/update-for-cryptopia-claimants-and-stakeholders-17-august-2023/?fbclid=IwAR1KFcresx3dupc1qvFjgdDw63Wzub5YGNRF-N8c15RYbLLCGPf7rA1cf1o

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Permitting Cryptopia to take no steps to distribute cryptocurrency to account holders who have an account balance of less than the costs of the trust administration.

Say goodbye to your funds. First you get scammed by cryptopia, then you get scammed by liquidators and finally, if court accepts this point, you get scammed by NZ judicial system.
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Today there was an Update from the Liquidators about the next steps and how the things are !
The whole Information about that you can read in the following Link from the Liquidators.
Source : https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/update-for-cryptopia-claimants-and-stakeholders-17-august-2023/?fbclid=IwAR1KFcresx3dupc1qvFjgdDw63Wzub5YGNRF-N8c15RYbLLCGPf7rA1cf1o
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I gave up on reading about Cryptopia a long time ago because it was 99% about what Grant Thornton were putting out for public consumption. I was not interested after their first few reports therefore cannot be sure if they did ask Binance to freeze funds but this is what the Hacked Assets part of the report stated:

We continue to work with the New Zealand Police and international authorities as they work to determine the source of the January 2019 hack. Our obligation is to seek recoveries for stakeholders’ benefit. As previously reported, we have filed recovery actions in the United States of America, Malaysia and Singapore related to the January 2019 hack

As you correctly mentioned, their (never-ending) investigation has still not ended yet and they have refused to be specific as to where those requested frozen funds in those countries are being held.

Wasnt there some funds frozen from the Cryptopia hack that was tracked to binance or some other exchanges ?
This could that they have written " asked authorities in various countries to seize and/or return funds based on them being taken in the alleged 2019 Cryptopia hack "
But i really dont know that , the only thing i know is that the Investigation is still on going.
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In the report they mentioned they have asked authorities in various countries to seize and/or return funds based on them being taken in the alleged 2019 Cryptopia hack therefore the funds recovered could go a long way to helping victims.
Wasnt there some funds frozen from the Cryptopia hack that was tracked to binance or some other exchanges ?
This could that they have written " asked authorities in various countries to seize and/or return funds based on them being taken in the alleged 2019 Cryptopia hack "
But i really dont know that , the only thing i know is that the Investigation is still on going.
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This is the part I found (almost) laughable, they have claimed $460,000 as their fees for this period whatever that might mean. Overall, for the work they have been doing they must have already taken millions of USD$ from the funds that were recovered.

Remuneration Report:
The Liquidators’ remuneration received for the Period, charged at the hourly rates, totalled $459,727 exclusive of GST. This includes time spent carrying out investigations, attempting to secure hacked assets, development and management of the claim’s portal, designing and overseeing an appropriate identity verification process, supervision of the Cryptopia customer support team, development and engagement with specialist Crypto-asset experts and liaising with legal authorities.


In the report they mentioned they have asked authorities in various countries to seize and/or return funds based on them being taken in the alleged 2019 Cryptopia hack therefore the funds recovered could go a long way to helping victims.

There was an Update this morning from the Liquidators !
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There were so many users that did not want to give KYC to Grant Thornton therefore their funds will never be returned to them. Having said that they would prefer if those funds were recovered to be distributed between the victims but there are no assurances anything like that will ever happen.

Does anybody know approximately how much of the recovered funds have been taken by Grant Thornton as payments for their services and to cover their expenses while they investigate?

Yes, it seems to me that this will continue for a very long period, users waiting for the return of their crypto assets have nothing left but to go through all the stages step by step and formally until the moment of the agreement, it may take forever, but the reports of the liquidators look beautiful, in five months it will be four years since the hack of the exchange.

It is not just the KYC, they are asking users for old information that they will not be able to access such as the number of X tokens you had at the moment the exchange went down. I hqad about .25 BTC in cryptos overthere and I fear I'll never be seing it again.

I'm sorry about your loss, yesterday I spoke with a friend who was on cryptopia at the time of the hack and he confirmed that the entire balance of the Doge he had at that time was ~1,000,000 coins he displayed, but he has concerns that liquidators may begin to impose restrictions on citizens of certain countries, yes, not yet, but who he knows what will happen next.
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I feel sorry for every investor that trusted Cryptopia and in turn trusted their owners and founders. Many of them will not make a claim in order to avoid KYC and many of those willing to send KYC will not be able to provide exact amounts they lost when the exchange closed. This is sadly another disastrous piece of news for long suffering investors to read.

The 0.25 BTC or so that you have lost is not a small amount. If will you be able to remember exactly which coins and tokens you held at the time of the collapse what will you do next?

There were so many users that did not want to give KYC to Grant Thornton therefore their funds will never be returned to them. Having said that they would prefer if those funds were recovered to be distributed between the victims but there are no assurances anything like that will ever happen.

Does anybody know approximately how much of the recovered funds have been taken by Grant Thornton as payments for their services and to cover their expenses while they investigate?

Yes, it seems to me that this will continue for a very long period, users waiting for the return of their crypto assets have nothing left but to go through all the stages step by step and formally until the moment of the agreement, it may take forever, but the reports of the liquidators look beautiful, in five months it will be four years since the hack of the exchange.

It is not just the KYC, they are asking users for old information that they will not be able to access such as the number of X tokens you had at the moment the exchange went down. I hqad about .25 BTC in cryptos overthere and I fear I'll never be seing it again.
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There were so many users that did not want to give KYC to Grant Thornton therefore their funds will never be returned to them. Having said that they would prefer if those funds were recovered to be distributed between the victims but there are no assurances anything like that will ever happen.

Does anybody know approximately how much of the recovered funds have been taken by Grant Thornton as payments for their services and to cover their expenses while they investigate?

Yes, it seems to me that this will continue for a very long period, users waiting for the return of their crypto assets have nothing left but to go through all the stages step by step and formally until the moment of the agreement, it may take forever, but the reports of the liquidators look beautiful, in five months it will be four years since the hack of the exchange.

It is not just the KYC, they are asking users for old information that they will not be able to access such as the number of X tokens you had at the moment the exchange went down. I hqad about .25 BTC in cryptos overthere and I fear I'll never be seing it again.
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I also recieved e-mail. There are a lot of things you need to agree to receive your funds:
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Balance Acceptance Disclaimer
This portal includes access to information about the coin balances (active and delisted coins from the exchange) that Cryptopia Limited (in liquidation), acting via its liquidators, Messrs David Ruscoe and Russell Moore of Grant Thornton New Zealand, (Cryptopia) shows in relation to your Cryptopia account(s).  You will be asked to review the displayed coin balance(s) and either accept or dispute the balance(s).
You acknowledge and agree that:
Cryptopia makes no warranties, guarantees or undertakings as to the accuracy or completeness of the information displayed;
coin balances shown are as per the company records as at the date of the liquidation being 14 May 2019;
the actual amount available to return to you may differ from the displayed coin balance(s), regardless of whether you accept the balance(s), because:
o    any distribution to account holders is subject to court approval;
o    the amount held in the underlying wallet(s) for each coin type may be less than the aggregate of all claims by account holders, with the result that your claim in relation to that coin may be distributedon a pari passu basis;
o    coins may not be able to be realised and distributed if, for example, they are inactive, delisted or have a dead blockchain.
o    the costs and expenses incurred by Cryptopia's liquidators of administering the trust assets including the costs of distributing trust assets to account holders may be deducted from trust assets before distribution; and
o    Cryptopia may amend the balance shown where appropriate on becoming aware of new information, (for example, the recognition of previously unrecorded deposit or withdrawal in the Cryptopia exchange database).
if you decide to dispute your claim balance(s), you must select the Dispute button in the Portal and then provide sufficient supporting information of your view of the value of your claim balance(s) within 20 working days of indicating your dispute.  If you select the Dispute button and do not provide such supporting information within that timeframe, you are deemed to have accepted the claim balance(s) (noting that the actual amount paid to you can differ from the claim balance as described above).  All information you provide must be true, complete and accurate in all respects.
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Yep have had the balance email and confirmed all present and correct. Luckily was holding no ETH at the time.
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Since today there is a new Update out from the Liquidators and the next Stage have started.
Everybody that have completed stage 1 and 2 will be receive an Email.
You can read it here at the Source Links.
Source : https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/insights/update-for-cryptopia-claimants-and-stakeholders-11-november-2022/
Source : https://twitter.com/Cryptopia_NZ/status/1590911938594103296
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Does anybody know approximately how much of the recovered funds have been taken by Grant Thornton as payments for their services and to cover their expenses while they investigate?
You can read that all in there last Report and Update they have done and made already mentioned from Daltonik.
https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/globalassets/1.-member-firms/new-zealand/pdfs/cryptopia/seventh-liquidators-report_cryptopia.pdf

Lucky for those Cryptopia users who are eligible to recoup their money, the government agency involve was faster to process everything compared to Mt.Gox it took a decade before they release a payment schedule.
But still I don't think that funds left is able to cover all the hacked amount and I hope more people are going to learn not to keep all of their assets in centralized exchanges.
The investigation of the Hack and the liquidation are 2 different cases , i guess that we will get more Information about how the will handle the recover from the hack
after the Users have there Coins back maybe , but i dont know really and thats only a speculation from my end.
We will see how it will be coming and maybe there will be coming and Update in the next weeks how are the things .
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