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Clark and Dawson brought Grant Thornton in to the picture. They could have hired anybody but went for this company  and they have taken lots of funds from the company.

The 344 Bitcoin they sold at around $12,700 each to recover their costs brought in around $4.4 million but the Cryptopia hack was worth around $23-24 million. If the liquidators had the foresight to have kept those funds and sold them later (as in today) they would be worth around $58,000 each therefore 344 Bitcoin would have brought in around $20 million and many investors facing losses would have been able to recoup their funds in fiat at least.

Reading through the article what comes to mind at first is one very important question: When Intranel staff were told their services were no longer required it made some of the Cryptopia staff upset so was it possible that either one or more Cryptopia staff with or without the collusion of Intranel staff stole the funds and deleted the customer database?

It certainly seems plausible because when the company went under it had a staggering 37 employees including many that were friends with their Intranel counterparts so even if there was just one bad apple from a group of 37 then it would have been possible to bring Cryptopia to a disastrous end: Cryptopia Heist


Cryptopia Rescue group annouced they submitted a Fraud Complaint against the liquidator Grant Thornton in New Zealand.

https://twitter.com/CryptopiaRescue/status/1377592639155970050


https://www.cryptopiarescue.com/post/fraud-complaint-laid (https://archive.ph/wip/M9Ybf)
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Cryptopia Rescue group annouced they submitted a Fraud Complaint against the liquidator Grant Thornton in New Zealand.

https://twitter.com/CryptopiaRescue/status/1377592639155970050


https://www.cryptopiarescue.com/post/fraud-complaint-laid (https://archive.ph/wip/M9Ybf)

Fraud Complaint Laid
As a result of the requests from several of the registered account holders, Cryptopia Rescue has submitted the following complaint to the New Zealand serious fraud office.

We encourage affected people to also lodge their complaint online here https://www.sfo.govt.nz/make-a-fraud-complaint-online

Copy as follows.

Serious Fraud Complaint regarding

Grant Thornton NZ (accountants)

David Ian Ruscoe (liquidator)

Malcom Russell Moore (liquidator)

Buddle Findlay (solicitors)

Scott Barker (solicitor)

Bridie McKinnon (solicitor)

Creating and using documents to defraud and obtain pecuniary advantage.

Background

Ruscoe and Moore were appointed as liquidators of Cryptopia, a Christchurch based crypto currency exchange, in or about May 2019. The liquidators first report can be found here https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/globalassets/1.-member-firms/new-zealand/pdfs/first-liquidators-report-31-05-2019.pdf

In understandable circumstances the first report was limited in information about the financial status of the company. A better understanding of the assets of the company and financial status is found on page 9 of the second report here https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/globalassets/1.-member-firms/new-zealand/pdfs/cryptopia/second-liquidators-report-to-creditors_cryptopia.pdf

Confirmation of the assets and financial status of the company can then be found on page 9 of the third report here https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/globalassets/1.-member-firms/new-zealand/pdfs/third-liquidators-report_cryptopia-12-06-2020.pdf

Again confirmation of the assets and financial status is found on page 7 of the forth report here https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/globalassets/1.-member-firms/new-zealand/pdfs/fourth-liquidators-report_cryptopia.pdf. For some reason the liquidator has changed the whole format of the financial reporting, which makes it difficult for laypeople to follow and understand.

In or about March 2020 a High Court hearing was run by the liquidator to determine the status of the over 960,000 account holders who all had a positive coin balance in their Cryptopia account. At the time the value of coins was roughly USD$130,000,000. Based on current bitcoin price and the movement is many of what are called Alt Coins the current value of coins is closer to USD$800,000,000.

Many of the documents relating to the court case can be found here https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/update-for-cryptopia-account-holders-10-february-2020/

The final court order can be found here https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/globalassets/1.-member-firms/new-zealand/pdfs/cryptopia/civ-2019-409-000544---ruscoe-and-moore-v-cryptopia-limited-in-liquidation.pdf

In summary the High Court order of Gendall states that Cryptopia was effectively a Trustee for the account holders, that the account holders were secured creditors and their digital assets can be returned to them.

The implications of the court hearing basically were … if it was found the account holders were unsecured creditors then the US$120 million of coins could be sold by the liquidator and distribution of dollars after costs would be sent proportionately to all creditors. If it was found the account holders were secured creditors then only coins owned by the Cryptopia company were assets of the liquidation and could be sold to fund the liquidation and pay creditors.

First issue of complaint.

Page 17 of the liquidators first report is an order obtained by the liquidator to sell 344 bitcoin. There is no accountability of what submission was put to the court to obtain the order. What we know from page 10 of the sworn affidavit of Ruscoe is a list of the accounts on the database that the company had coins in, and attached to the affidavit was an electronic file which included those accounts, some details of what coins were in each and a value at the time. That affidavit is here https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/globalassets/1.-member-firms/new-zealand/pdfs/cryptopia/2020/1.-second-affidavit-of-david-ian-ruscoe-sworn-8-november-2019.pdf.

Page 20 of the fifth affidavit of Ruscoe here https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/globalassets/1.-member-firms/new-zealand/pdfs/cryptopia/2020/6.-fifth-affidavit-of-david-ian-ruscoe-sworn-13-february-2020.pdf includes a balance sheet of the company just prior to him being appointed as liquidator. That balance sheet states the company had NZD$747,563.39 of bitcoin prior to liquidation. The value of bitcoin on or around that time was US$4,000 roughly, and so we estimate around 125 bitcoin.

It appears Ruscoe has sold 200 or more bitcoin that were trust assets and not company assets.

Ruscoe in submissions to the court for the hearing in March 2020 raised the issue with Gendall that if the decision of the court was in favour of the argument that account holders were secured he had issues because of the previous order to sell 344 coins.

The financial statements in reports 2, 3 and 4 state that company crypto assets were sold and converted to fiat to the value of $4,427,292. If we look at the 31 March 2019 balance sheet it states there was a total crypto and other liquid asset value of around $4.1m. So benefit of the doubt could be that Ruscoe didn’t sell 344 bitcoin (literally) he sold all the company crypto? We don’t know.

Second issue of complaint.

In March 2021 the liquidator has released an update which includes another order obtained from the court giving him authority to sell another 80 bitcoin. https://www.grantthornton.co.nz/update-to-cryptopia-claimants-and-stakeholders/

At todays rate of US$58,000 per coin that totals US$4,640,000.

The sworn affidavits of Ruscoe do not support this sale. There is nothing in any of the regulatory reports of the liquidator to show the company has any coin assets still. These coins are being sold to further fund the liquidators costs.

Our opinion is the court has been mislead into make both these orders.

Third issue of complaint.

As at 14th November 2020 the liquidator has incurred over NZ$8m in costs for this liquidation.

Of that over $2.3m were in direct fees.

Scott Barker and legal have received over NZ$1.4m

Other costs do not pass the smell test, for example employees costs of NZ$1.9m, Server hosting costs of over $600k. The liquidator indicates IT people are costing $600 per hour, equivalent to a salary of over $1.2m per annum per person.

Summary

1. There is a huge number of documents, too many to just file online.

2. We believe the companies and the individuals list above are receiving pecuniary advantage by creating significant profits for their companies and are incentivised to do so.

3. The law firm involved is incentivised to fast track legal process. Currently several orders obtained by the lawyer on behalf of the liquidator for other related matters are being challenged because the lawyers mislead the court and used wrong procedures in order to obtain their orders without objection of affected parties.

4. The liquidator is appointed to liquidate the Trustee Company, Cryptopia, not any of the trusts. What they are doing is actually selling up secured trust assets to fund the liquidation. This is no different than the lawyer who takes client funds out of his trust account without authority. It is clear the liquidator and their lawyers have mislead the court to get these orders.

5. We believe there will be a significant number of other breaches of the law, there are thousands of pages of documents.

6. It is critical the Serious Fraud office investigates this matter for the following reasons.

a. The amount of money involved exceeds NZ$1 billion dollars.

b. The number of creditors involved exceeds 960,000, the majority of them are all over the world.

c. After discussions with politicians and Government agencies it is clear that there is no governing body keeping these liquidators and lawyers to account. It would take hundreds of thousands of dollars for the creditors to instruct lawyers and for a huge number of them they don’t have any more money.

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hmmm

Is the underwriter action reasonable? They're taking 80 bitcoin. They can just let us take login and withdraw like normal?

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hmmm

Is the underwriter action reasonable? They're taking 80 bitcoin. They can just let us take login and withdraw like normal?
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hmmm
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I thought I replied to this earlier.

Thank you for the links. You put a lot of effort in to your thread highlighting and capturing details about the scam, all readers and victims should have a look at it.

I cannot understand how the New Zealand police decided to not prosecute Dawson and/or Clark. If they were not guilty of orchestrating and conducting the scam and nobody else could be proven then does that mean the Auckland police should call in a neighbouring police force to carry out a review of the whole process and see if they can question potential perpetrators?

From recollection the last time I looked in on their statements (as covered via Stuff.co.nz etc) the NZ Police's investigation is "on going" and they (NZ Police) aren't giving a running commentary on their investigations.  IIRC the media said something along the lines of all employees have been questioned as well as board members etc.

This would mean those interviewed would have done so under what we call "under caution" - similar (but not the same as) the U.S.' "right to silence" (which in itself is not the same thing as that countries' Fifth Amendment" - i.e. refusing to answer questions under oath)
I wonder if any of those statements will be ever be made public. I would like to know what Dawson and Clark said at the time of the event.


Below is what I wrote in February 2020 about my opinions:

I do not know any of the main protagonists but it did seem clear Intranel were investors that had long term plans to take over the whole company or a majority stake at least and when the company failed there was no need for their Managing Director Dave Sanders to turn up at Court. When Booth took his $400,000 pay off when he was sacked for the disastrous 8 month tenure he effectively severed ties with the company and would not be interested in Court proceedings so would have no reason to attend other than from a moral stand-point where he could have done it.

As for Clark and Dawson they seem to have kept a low profile after calling the liquidators but they did benefit financially overall before the company closed as their properties seem to show. Mrs Clark also seems to have received a pay-off or settlement when she quit but that should not stop any of them attending Court just to see what was going on. Their presence would not mean any innocence or guilt on their part but it would mean they had executed their moral responsibilities towards investors by taking more than a passing interest in what was going on.

I am just not surprised by anybody who once held an authoritative position within the company deciding to not attending Court to see how proceedings were going. It is clear to me it was an inside job. Exactly who did cannot be ascertained but any one person or any permutation of the following could be involved though none have been charged:

Clark
Mrs Clark
Dawson
Mrs Dawson
Booth
Any number of Intranel staff
Any number of Cryptopia staff
Maybe even John Gotts

At one time or another, they all had access to the office where Cryptopia was operated from
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if anyone has Cryptopia BTC addresses they can share (PM me if you don't want to post in here) they will help confirm the cryptopia wallet cluster and trace where bitcoins have gone since the before and after the liquidation start.

Do you mean like these lists over on the [Cryptopia] ONLINE ARTICLES related to hack &theft of funds 2020 (non discussion thread?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49253290
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49253290




If the "Cryptopia Rescue" are a class action, then I can add their information to this list if they post their details on the other thread.

yeah i got those, but wanted more to get more confirmation with, or find other clusters not linked to Cryptopia yet.

I would recommend talking to them on their twitter if you are interested in their class action (I have no interest in participating in class action).  I have mention the forum to them so maybe they will come in here and post sometime.
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if anyone has Cryptopia BTC addresses they can share (PM me if you don't want to post in here) they will help confirm the cryptopia wallet cluster and trace where bitcoins have gone since the before and after the liquidation start.

Do you mean like these lists over on the [Cryptopia] ONLINE ARTICLES related to hack &theft of funds 2020 (non discussion thread?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49253290
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49253290




If the "Cryptopia Rescue" are a class action, then I can add their information to this list if they post their details on the other thread.
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CryptopiaRescue says the liquidator is about to sell off another 80 BTC of customer Bitcoin and there is less than 48 hours for people to submit a notice of opposition.

I would guess anyone with some legal knowledge can do this and don't have to go through CryptopiaRescue but they only group that posted about it.  Grant Thornton for obvious reason is not informing customers about their legal rights and opportunity to challenge them dipping into customer bitcoins.  They never post updates or notify customers until after they do something to prevent challenges to their actions.  and the media has completely failed to hold them to account and keep the public informed of their misconduct and the irresponsible behavior of Grant Thornton.

https://twitter.com/CryptopiaRescue/status/1376528820916809728


If it were known what exchange they are using to dump those 80 BTC on, then it might be possible to legally demand that exchange freeze the funds/coins and account being used as the ownership is disputed, and until Grant Thornton proves that the bitcoin being sold belongs to Cryptopia the company and not the customers.  CryptopiaRescue might be able to help ?

if anyone has Cryptopia BTC addresses they can share (PM me if you don't want to post in here) they will help confirm the cryptopia wallet cluster and trace where bitcoins have gone since the before and after the liquidation start.
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I thought I replied to this earlier.

Thank you for the links. You put a lot of effort in to your thread highlighting and capturing details about the scam, all readers and victims should have a look at it.

I cannot understand how the New Zealand police decided to not prosecute Dawson and/or Clark. If they were not guilty of orchestrating and conducting the scam and nobody else could be proven then does that mean the Auckland police should call in a neighbouring police force to carry out a review of the whole process and see if they can question potential perpetrators?

From recollection the last time I looked in on their statements (as covered via Stuff.co.nz etc) the NZ Police's investigation is "on going" and they (NZ Police) aren't giving a running commentary on their investigations.  IIRC the media said something along the lines of all employees have been questioned as well as board members etc.

This would mean those interviewed would have done so under what we call "under caution" - similar (but not the same as) the U.S.' "right to silence" (which in itself is not the same thing as that countries' Fifth Amendment" - i.e. refusing to answer questions under oath)
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That all changed in January last year when persons unknown hacked into the company's system and shunted about $24 million of the exchange's $250m store of cryptocurrencies out of reach.

So ... Grant holds $226M (2019 value)?
Liquidated $3m of client assets "to fund the recovery".

No worse.

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The company had $1m in the bank and $5m in a third party trust account. The liquidators converted the company's 344 bitcoin to $4.4m cash.


The $6m cash covers all the creditors. 

The bonus sale of BTC covers Grants fees.  And is worth $19M if they held it  Grin
Also sale of the office/computers made $2m.

So where are the clients $250m?
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I thought I replied to this earlier.

Thank you for the links. You put a lot of effort in to your thread highlighting and capturing details about the scam, all readers and victims should have a look at it.

I cannot understand how the New Zealand police decided to not prosecute Dawson and/or Clark. If they were not guilty of orchestrating and conducting the scam and nobody else could be proven then does that mean the Auckland police should call in a neighbouring police force to carry out a review of the whole process and see if they can question potential perpetrators?


You may not have seen that I've been collecting articles on Cryptopia from the net as documented in this thread:

[Cryptopia] ONLINE ARTICLES related to hack &theft of funds 2020 (non discussion)

(Note: that thread is not intended to be a discussion thread).




From the OP links to other sites (including the NZ Police) where you can find more pertinent information:


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Just now the Authorities pick up on the fishy smell, maybe Cool

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Cryptopia went into liquidation in May 2019 after a hacker stole $24m – 15 per cent of Cryptopia clients’ digital currency stock, made up of about 900 different currencies including bitcoin. It is regarded as the biggest theft in New Zealand history.

The exchange was holding cryptocurrencies worth about $170m and had 800,000 account holders with a positive coin balance.

So Grant is holding $142m of clients coin?
Has there ever been an itemized invoice?
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I never really noticed BenTheAnonMod in the past so it means he was not doing a good job being the public face of Cryptopia if many members here have no recollection of him but if he was an employee surely he could post here with empathy. He was last online here in January 2020.

Here are the Cryptopia creators Rob Dawson and Adam Clark promoting their now failed Cryptopia exchange.

I wonder if their roles in to the collapse of the exchange will be looked in to again by New Zealand police. Maybe they will be interviewed under caution or simply by being asked to voluntarily make statements about what happened back then that led to the closure of Cryptopia.





What are the chances the founders of Cryptopia will be dragged back in to this issue with a view to some law enforcement agency finding them negligent and hold them responsible criminally?

Have you noticed how silent "self proclaimed" employee BenTheAnonMod has been over the last twelve months?

Or the two other "official representatives" of Cryptopia that Trolled this thread until very recently?  (I wonder why they've been so quiet eh?)

You may not have seen that I've been collecting articles on Cryptopia from the net as documented in this thread:

[Cryptopia] ONLINE ARTICLES related to hack &theft of funds 2020 (non discussion)

(Note: that thread is not intended to be a discussion thread).




From the OP links to other sites (including the NZ Police) where you can find more pertinent information:


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I never really noticed BenTheAnonMod in the past so it means he was not doing a good job being the public face of Cryptopia if many members here have no recollection of him but if he was an employee surely he could post here with empathy. He was last online here in January 2020.

Here are the Cryptopia creators Rob Dawson and Adam Clark promoting their now failed Cryptopia exchange.

I wonder if their roles in to the collapse of the exchange will be looked in to again by New Zealand police. Maybe they will be interviewed under caution or simply by being asked to voluntarily make statements about what happened back then that led to the closure of Cryptopia.




 

What are the chances the founders of Cryptopia will be dragged back in to this issue with a view to some law enforcement agency finding them negligent and hold them responsible criminally?

Have you noticed how silent "self proclaimed" employee BenTheAnonMod has been over the last twelve months?

Or the two other "official representatives" of Cryptopia that Trolled this thread until very recently?  (I wonder why they've been so quiet eh?)
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What are the chances the founders of Cryptopia will be dragged back in to this issue with a view to some law enforcement agency finding them negligent and hold them responsible criminally?

Have you noticed how silent "self proclaimed" employee BenTheAnonMod has been over the last twelve months?

Or the two other "official representatives" of Cryptopia that Trolled this thread until very recently?  (I wonder why they've been so quiet eh?)
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What are the chances the founders of Cryptopia will be dragged back in to this issue with a view to some law enforcement agency finding them negligent and hold them responsible criminally?
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Update for Cryptopia Claimants and Stakeholders 17 March 2021

Looks like they just took 80 BTC from us.  That's a rather hefty chunk.


That 80 was part of the Cryptopia coffers. They cannot touch our coins its held in trust.

Cryptopia doesn't/didn't have 80 BTC in their coffers. We likely paid that.



and they can fail any account holders AML/KYC requirements and take their coins.  they are soo greedy that now they are not wait until the end stages, they raid wallets now because they know can fail customer claims later to get more money allocated for themselves and the creditors (these are directors, shareholders, contractors and staff, but NOT include customers).  Angry

https://twitter.com/CryptopiaRescue/status/1373075894818938880


from https://www.cryptopiarescue.com/post/grant-thornton-wants-to-sell-your-coins-to-fund-their-fees
Grant Thornton also asked the court in a sworn affidavit for directions to sell the coins of account holders that failed to claim or meet the registration requirements on the liquidator, and the proceeds of those sales be assigned as company property, effectively to further fund the liquidator.

Some others have commented that CryptopiaRescue are scammers because they are doing what anyone can do and charging a fee for it, but they also unearthing some of the dirty secrets of Cryptopia and Grant Thornton.
Where are the people who ran and destroyed Cryptopia?  They are in hiding because thats all they have to do wait and they will get very nice payday at the end of this scam - a payday most likely to be funded largely from the "failed" account holder coins. Angry

CryptopiaRescue has discovered from the Cryptopia balance sheets that before the liquidation $13 million of coins disappeared!  
https://twitter.com/CryptopiaRescue/status/1373104933780656133

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Update for Cryptopia Claimants and Stakeholders 17 March 2021

Looks like they just took 80 BTC from us.  That's a rather hefty chunk.


That 80 was part of the Cryptopia coffers. They cannot touch our coins its held in trust.

Cryptopia doesn't/didn't have 80 BTC in their coffers. We likely paid that.

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