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legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
April 09, 2016, 05:21:34 PM
Edufield is nominee for the Master Scammer 2014 award!

there you go again, getting confused about the facts .. let me clear them up for you :

Interview with Evan Duffield, Winner of 2014 Proof of Honor Award
https://dashtalk.org/threads/interview-with-evan-duffield-winner-of-2014-proof-of-honor-award.3626/

2014 Proof of Honor (POH) Awards | Results Posted!  
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2014-proof-of-honor-poh-awards-results-posted-920053

Coinsource.com only awarded one of those, and it was to Evan.  Now they are defunct and the web site is gone.

But let's not forget what a scam pushing POS that place was:

Evan won the 2014 Coins Source Proof of Honour (POH) award.

And Obama the Scourge of Libya won the Nobel Peace Prize.  At least people GAF about that.

Coinsource is a "sponsored content" outfit that isn't even profitable because they have no traffic; it's a poor man's CoinTelegraph.

So they are reduced to pumping Dash and Neucoin.

Dash  Embarrassed
legendary
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Dash Nation Founder | CATV Host
April 09, 2016, 04:57:11 PM
I just love how the pro-Dash narrative of this thread is bringing out all of the trolls to attack me at the same time in typical school-boy bully fashion!

Sorry, but there is nothing wrong with the ANN... no premine, and the launch time was posted as indicated above. Those are the facts, not spinning facts to suit your purposes. Was it perfect? No. Was it a scam? Absolutely no proof to indicate is was anything other than Evan's boyish enthusiasm which he continues to show to this day. Its one of his best qualities, and will serve Dash Nation well in the future.

Maybe you need to bring some more bullies... then people will believe your stories...



I would like to once again show my appreciation to those who are reading this thread and giving Dash an opportunity to set the record straight from the constant negativity of a few individuals.

Wanna know about Dash Nation? I describe the idea behind it here (5:30):

http://youtu.be/mtpeuGLaiqs

To find out more about how Dash is building the Internet of Money, see our website
(spoiler alert: Evan is not even in charge of this project):

www.dash.org/evolution

To join the conversation, join https://DashTalk.org

Respectfully,

Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder)
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
April 09, 2016, 04:47:23 PM
Please! Start another thread about Dash. You and your cronies can have a party, roast marshmallows and sing Kumbaya. When you finish conducting the poll, bring it here and show us the scientific results. You do Dash all the service every time you come here to tell your stories by keeping my article about Dash front and centre, plus you are very entertaining.

Dash Nation is moving forward, with a solid plan to become the Internet of Money. Like us or hate us, that is a fact. Our engine is running on all (V12) cylinders. Marketing, development, fiat on-ramp building, and discovery are all moving forward in tandem thanks to Dash's decentralized governance and funding system.

Please, regale us with more tales and accusations which prove nothing. My article should be seen by more people!


If you think this thread is going to provide a good image for dash.... you're more helpful than I ever imagined.

It is another one for google to pick up on and reference for people to read in detail about darkcoin scam, xcoin scam and dash scam...oh and evans scam.

I am sure your community are as ever pleased with you. Imagine if you had never broken the scam on the main board 2 years ago. You will go down in crypto history taoway. Dark coin destroyer that is how you will be remembered Smiley i am envious of that title  if nothing else.

Anyway I have things to get on with. I can't be assisting you in fighting dark coin dash coin scams 24/7. Good to have you back though.
You know if you say "scam" a few more times, you may rival the amount of times Allen Iverson said "practice" in one of my favorite sports videos:

http://youtu.be/eGDBR2L5kzI

Repeating the word over and over is a new tactic for you here, but, alas, even that does not make it true.

What is true is Dash's dedication to building an exceptional product through their ideas, governance and funding.



The evidence of an instamine + the dash ANN saying, "Dash has no premine and was fairly and transparently launched" makes it a scam. Maybe if Evan gets hauled off to jail, you'll get it--though I'm sure you'll be in denial then too.
legendary
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Dash Nation Founder | CATV Host
April 09, 2016, 04:41:07 PM
Please! Start another thread about Dash. You and your cronies can have a party, roast marshmallows and sing Kumbaya. When you finish conducting the poll, bring it here and show us the scientific results. You do Dash all the service every time you come here to tell your stories by keeping my article about Dash front and centre, plus you are very entertaining.

Dash Nation is moving forward, with a solid plan to become the Internet of Money. Like us or hate us, that is a fact. Our engine is running on all (V12) cylinders. Marketing, development, fiat on-ramp building, and discovery are all moving forward in tandem thanks to Dash's decentralized governance and funding system.

Please, regale us with more tales and accusations which prove nothing. My article should be seen by more people!


If you think this thread is going to provide a good image for dash.... you're more helpful than I ever imagined.

It is another one for google to pick up on and reference for people to read in detail about darkcoin scam, xcoin scam and dash scam...oh and evans scam.

I am sure your community are as ever pleased with you. Imagine if you had never broken the scam on the main board 2 years ago. You will go down in crypto history taoway. Dark coin destroyer that is how you will be remembered Smiley i am envious of that title  if nothing else.

Anyway I have things to get on with. I can't be assisting you in fighting dark coin dash coin scams 24/7. Good to have you back though.
You know if you say "scam" a few more times, you may rival the amount of times Allen Iverson said "practice" in one of my favorite sports videos:

http://youtu.be/eGDBR2L5kzI

Repeating the word over and over is a new tactic for you here, but, alas, even that does not make it true.

What is true is Dash's dedication to building an exceptional product through their ideas, governance and funding.

You take care, as well.
legendary
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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
April 09, 2016, 03:59:14 PM
Please! Start another thread about Dash. You and your cronies can have a party, roast marshmallows and sing Kumbaya. When you finish conducting the poll, bring it here and show us the scientific results. You do Dash all the service every time you come here to tell your stories by keeping my article about Dash front and centre, plus you are very entertaining.

Dash Nation is moving forward, with a solid plan to become the Internet of Money. Like us or hate us, that is a fact. Our engine is running on all (V12) cylinders. Marketing, development, fiat on-ramp building, and discovery are all moving forward in tandem thanks to Dash's decentralized governance and funding system.

Please, regale us with more tales and accusations which prove nothing. My article should be seen by more people!


If you think this thread is going to provide a good image for dash.... you're more helpful than I ever imagined.

It is another one for google to pick up on and reference for people to read in detail about darkcoin scam, xcoin scam and dash scam...oh and evans scam.

I am sure your community are as ever pleased with you. Imagine if you had never broken the scam on the main board 2 years ago. You will go down in crypto history taoway. Dark coin destroyer that is how you will be remembered Smiley i am envious of that title  if nothing else.

Anyway I have things to get on with. I can't be assisting you in fighting dark coin dash coin scams 24/7. Good to have you back though.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1014
Dash Nation Founder | CATV Host
April 09, 2016, 03:37:19 PM
Please! Start another thread about Dash. You and your cronies can have a party, roast marshmallows and sing Kumbaya. When you finish conducting the poll, bring it here and show us the scientific results. You do Dash all the service every time you come here to tell your stories by keeping my article about Dash front and centre, plus you are very entertaining.

Dash Nation is moving forward, with a solid plan to become the Internet of Money. Like us or hate us, that is a fact. Our engine is running on all (V12) cylinders. Marketing, development, fiat on-ramp building, and discovery are all moving forward in tandem thanks to Dash's decentralized governance and funding system.

Please, regale us with more tales and accusations which prove nothing. My article should be seen by more people!
legendary
Activity: 2100
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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
April 09, 2016, 03:28:44 PM
Edufield is nominee for the Master Scammer 2014 award!

there you go again, getting confused about the facts .. let me clear them up for you :

Interview with Evan Duffield, Winner of 2014 Proof of Honor Award
https://dashtalk.org/threads/interview-with-evan-duffield-winner-of-2014-proof-of-honor-award.3626/

2014 Proof of Honor (POH) Awards | Results Posted!  
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2014-proof-of-honor-poh-awards-results-posted-920053

we understand .. cryptohunter, keeping to the facts and telling the truth is something you are strugging with for some time now...


show me my struggle in black and white.




Let's take a look at the first 5 h of Darkcoin (XCoin at that time)...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4589219
Edufield said (after failed launch) that he will wait the next day to launch DRK (XCoin at that time) it is 11 pm.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4591407
Edufield disregard windows wallet and daemon and hurry up his launch, presumably to not have windows miners on board.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4592827
Edufield say he added four nodes for the launch at 4 am (5 hours later, despite his promise to wait). The 4 nodes from Edufield are 3 amazons AWS + another unknown (whois IP). Launch started at 3h54 am.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4593601
Edufield said the github version was not updated, nobody could compile and only Edufield was able to mine until that time. It is 5.09 am and Edufield instamined alone 1153 block at 500 DRK + 60 block at reward 277 = 593120 DRK for him alone in about 1 hour.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4593987
No windows wallet confirmed at 5h47 am, despite a user attempt to make one avaiable, that Edufield dismissed quickly.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4594096
Illodin, understand dev has instamined alot of coin.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4595573
From this list of nodes, at 8h34 am (4h40 after launch) there were 50 Amazon AWS node and 50 microsoft cloud computing instamining DRK (checked using IP whois service). This is 100/124 nodes using cloud computing to instamine DRK. We are at block 2870 and block reward is 500. From block 1153-1729 block reward is 277. After that it is 500 again hence 2294 block at 500 + 576 at 277 = 1306552 DRK (worth about 13M$ now) were instamined in less than 5 hour by Edufield and coworkers using about 100 cloud mining instances. Edufield himself instamined in not even 5 h from 600K to 1169K DRK ((1306K-600K)*100/124 + 600K) depending how many of the 100 cloud mining instance were its own. All this while having purposefully set the difficult ridiculously low and block reward 100 times what it is now.

From 6M$ - 13M$ in 5 h, Edufield did some lucrative work here!

Edufield is nominee for the Master Scammer 2014 award!


the narrative should be the truth..........that is the only narrative.
Those awards are worth 0
They are a joke as are the body that gives them out.


It is funny to me that dash is constantly voted the biggest scam on this board in every poll yet somehow was awarded those joke awards apparently based on votes??? oh really??

Shall we put it to the vote now ? right now on this board?? see what people say?

Shall I ask if those awards are worth anything?? and that evans deserves to have any award but top scammer?



what do you think the polls will say if left up long enough and bumped enough times for the dashers to become exhausted from voting.

Actually i will make the poll manual so you have to post and say how you want to vote so we can see who is voting?

awards are not based on facts especially those joke awards.... they are simply awards voted on by each community. We can see dash has a lot of pigs with noses in the trough of course they will be voting for evans. Like the overwhelmed the vote of the air drop in the first hours before they forced evans to pull out.

Let's have 2 polls both manual votes... no sneaky voting, no votes from noob accounts just registered. Anyone else we can look at their post history to see what they're agenda is.

1. should we have the air drop ?
2. was dash a scam and evans a scammer?

Come on let's put it to the vote. Are you ready?


Thanks taoway I had put all thoughts of dash aside. I needed you to motivate me again.





legendary
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April 09, 2016, 03:26:16 PM
And thank you storytellers for continuing to keep us enthralled with the events of 48 hours two years ago.

If you aren't interested in two years ago you might be interested in current misleading, incomplete, and deceptive statements still being used to scam investors:

For example, the current ANN says:

- Dash has no premine and was fairly and transparently launched

LOL.
legendary
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Dash Nation Founder | CATV Host
April 09, 2016, 03:12:04 PM
Thank you qwizzie for bringing those valuable pieces of information forward.

And thank you storytellers for continuing to keep us enthralled with the events of 48 hours two years ago. We owe you a debt of gratitude for keeping our memories refreshed. However, as I said earlier, you will not control the narrative of this thread which is focusing on the present and the future of Dash.

Dash has a great team, great technology, governance, funding and is well poised to be the Internet of Money. Dash Nation is growing, and we're always looking for more talent to help us build a true decentralized digital cash, just as Satoshi envisioned it. Something it looks like Bitcoin is incapable of doing.
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
April 09, 2016, 03:04:46 PM
Since they can't code, they will attack him. Can't wait for their GUI wallet to come out so their community then will realize how foolish they were to follow a coin that has developers who run a gambling site Fluffypony, giving another developer the highest win of 21800 Moneros "while having a guy named ARIEL being the 2nd top loser on Monerodice lol"; while having another developer Smooth working on two projects Aeon/monero and an officially been spam artist in this forum without actually developing any of these coins! amazing right?

What I like about Evan is that he's a doer no matter what haters say about him + the fact that he is an excellent programmer.

Shitcoiner's Logic

#3. FUD. If 1 and 2 aren't doing the trick just keep repeating FUD (while simultaneously slipping in every possible negative you can about them or whatever coin they endorse). Politicians call this mudslinging, but we'll call it FUDslingin'.

Monerodice buddy, u know I am right. go check it

How does monerodice = dash isn't a scam by way of its instamine?

You should warm-up before you attempt those type of logical contortions--you might pull a muscle or something.
legendary
Activity: 2548
Merit: 1245
April 09, 2016, 03:04:37 PM
Edufield is nominee for the Master Scammer 2014 award!

there you go again, getting confused about the facts .. let me clear them up for you :

Interview with Evan Duffield, Winner of 2014 Proof of Honor Award
https://dashtalk.org/threads/interview-with-evan-duffield-winner-of-2014-proof-of-honor-award.3626/

2014 Proof of Honor (POH) Awards | Results Posted!  
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2014-proof-of-honor-poh-awards-results-posted-920053

we understand .. cryptohunter, keeping to the facts and telling the truth is something you are strugging with for some time now...
legendary
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Merit: 1245
April 09, 2016, 02:57:22 PM
member
Activity: 74
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April 09, 2016, 02:51:17 PM
Since they can't code, they will attack him. Can't wait for their GUI wallet to come out so their community then will realize how foolish they were to follow a coin that has developers who run a gambling site Fluffypony, giving another developer the highest win of 21800 Moneros "while having a guy named ARIEL being the 2nd top loser on Monerodice lol"; while having another developer Smooth working on two projects Aeon/monero and an officially been spam artist in this forum without actually developing any of these coins! amazing right?

What I like about Evan is that he's a doer no matter what haters say about him + the fact that he is an excellent programmer.

Shitcoiner's Logic

#3. FUD. If 1 and 2 aren't doing the trick just keep repeating FUD (while simultaneously slipping in every possible negative you can about them or whatever coin they endorse). Politicians call this mudslinging, but we'll call it FUDslingin'.

Monerodice buddy, u know I am right. go check it
legendary
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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
April 09, 2016, 02:50:42 PM
nonsense.


FUD?

A dashers version of FUD is

FACTS UNCOVERING DECEPTION

there are no new facts required. The facts that exist are enough to demonstrate clearly it is a scam coin.

Go check the polls. Enough polls have been conducted. Dash is known and accepted as the largest scam to date on this board.

I personally think there are a few others that are up there too. They were just slightly less obvious about it.



I learned that polls in this forum is pure manipulative & makes no sense, what you been blabbering I already read it on Dash.org they are not hiding it. Are you facing your computer screen feeling discouraged of how Evan is still being successful while you & your friends kept hating for two years? probably because no one was scammed and probably because he worked hard for what he gave crypto so far.

 Just a thought what about I make a poll asking people in this full of smart people forum. Like this one for example :

If a chicken sleeps with a donkey what do they produce?

1. a donkey with chicken body.
2. a chicken with a donkey body.
3. Hard to tell.
4. This can not happen you silly you silly boy!




read again then comment


Let's take a look at the first 5 h of Darkcoin (XCoin at that time)...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4589219
Edufield said (after failed launch) that he will wait the next day to launch DRK (XCoin at that time) it is 11 pm.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4591407
Edufield disregard windows wallet and daemon and hurry up his launch, presumably to not have windows miners on board.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4592827
Edufield say he added four nodes for the launch at 4 am (5 hours later, despite his promise to wait). The 4 nodes from Edufield are 3 amazons AWS + another unknown (whois IP). Launch started at 3h54 am.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4593601
Edufield said the github version was not updated, nobody could compile and only Edufield was able to mine until that time. It is 5.09 am and Edufield instamined alone 1153 block at 500 DRK + 60 block at reward 277 = 593120 DRK for him alone in about 1 hour.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4593987
No windows wallet confirmed at 5h47 am, despite a user attempt to make one avaiable, that Edufield dismissed quickly.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4594096
Illodin, understand dev has instamined alot of coin.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4595573
From this list of nodes, at 8h34 am (4h40 after launch) there were 50 Amazon AWS node and 50 microsoft cloud computing instamining DRK (checked using IP whois service). This is 100/124 nodes using cloud computing to instamine DRK. We are at block 2870 and block reward is 500. From block 1153-1729 block reward is 277. After that it is 500 again hence 2294 block at 500 + 576 at 277 = 1306552 DRK (worth about 13M$ now) were instamined in less than 5 hour by Edufield and coworkers using about 100 cloud mining instances. Edufield himself instamined in not even 5 h from 600K to 1169K DRK ((1306K-600K)*100/124 + 600K) depending how many of the 100 cloud mining instance were its own. All this while having purposefully set the difficult ridiculously low and block reward 100 times what it is now.

From 6M$ - 13M$ in 5 h, Edufield did some lucrative work here!

Edufield is nominee for the Master Scammer 2014 award!
member
Activity: 74
Merit: 10
April 09, 2016, 02:49:07 PM
nonsense.


FUD?

A dashers version of FUD is

FACTS UNCOVERING DECEPTION

there are no new facts required. The facts that exist are enough to demonstrate clearly it is a scam coin.

Go check the polls. Enough polls have been conducted. Dash is known and accepted as the largest scam to date on this board.

I personally think there are a few others that are up there too. They were just slightly less obvious about it.



I learned that polls in this forum is pure manipulative & makes no sense, what you been blabbering I already read it on Dash.org they are not hiding it. Are you facing your computer screen feeling discouraged of how Evan is still being successful while you & your friends kept hating for two years? probably because no one was scammed and probably because he worked hard for what he gave crypto so far.

 Just a thought what about I make a poll asking people in this full of smart people forum. Like this one for example :

If a chicken sleeps with a donkey what do they produce?

1. a donkey with chicken body.
2. a chicken with a donkey body.
3. Hard to tell.
4. This can not happen you silly you silly boy!

legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1167
MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
April 09, 2016, 02:48:17 PM
Standards are falling, you get what you pay for and 5XMR a day gets piss poor fud Grin

stan distortion = great name for one attempting to distort the truth about dash. Here have another read of this piss poor fud..


FUD

FACTS UNCOVERING DECEPTION.

Let's take a look at the first 5 h of Darkcoin (XCoin at that time)...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4589219
Edufield said (after failed launch) that he will wait the next day to launch DRK (XCoin at that time) it is 11 pm.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4591407
Edufield disregard windows wallet and daemon and hurry up his launch, presumably to not have windows miners on board.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4592827
Edufield say he added four nodes for the launch at 4 am (5 hours later, despite his promise to wait). The 4 nodes from Edufield are 3 amazons AWS + another unknown (whois IP). Launch started at 3h54 am.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4593601
Edufield said the github version was not updated, nobody could compile and only Edufield was able to mine until that time. It is 5.09 am and Edufield instamined alone 1153 block at 500 DRK + 60 block at reward 277 = 593120 DRK for him alone in about 1 hour.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4593987
No windows wallet confirmed at 5h47 am, despite a user attempt to make one avaiable, that Edufield dismissed quickly.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4594096
Illodin, understand dev has instamined alot of coin.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4595573
From this list of nodes, at 8h34 am (4h40 after launch) there were 50 Amazon AWS node and 50 microsoft cloud computing instamining DRK (checked using IP whois service). This is 100/124 nodes using cloud computing to instamine DRK. We are at block 2870 and block reward is 500. From block 1153-1729 block reward is 277. After that it is 500 again hence 2294 block at 500 + 576 at 277 = 1306552 DRK (worth about 13M$ now) were instamined in less than 5 hour by Edufield and coworkers using about 100 cloud mining instances. Edufield himself instamined in not even 5 h from 600K to 1169K DRK ((1306K-600K)*100/124 + 600K) depending how many of the 100 cloud mining instance were its own. All this while having purposefully set the difficult ridiculously low and block reward 100 times what it is now.

From 6M$ - 13M$ in 5 h, Edufield did some lucrative work here!

Edufield is nominee for the Master Scammer 2014 award!


dispute the facts not start on about some other coin ...make your own threads for that.
sr. member
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April 09, 2016, 02:40:34 PM
Standards are falling, you get what you pay for and 5XMR a day gets piss poor fud Grin
legendary
Activity: 1750
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Facts are more efficient than fud
April 09, 2016, 02:40:12 PM
Since they can't code, they will attack him. Can't wait for their GUI wallet to come out so their community then will realize how foolish they were to follow a coin that has developers who run a gambling site Fluffypony, giving another developer the highest win of 21800 Moneros "while having a guy named ARIEL being the 2nd top loser on Monerodice lol"; while having another developer Smooth working on two projects Aeon/monero and an officially been spam artist in this forum without actually developing any of these coins! amazing right?

What I like about Evan is that he's a doer no matter what haters say about him + the fact that he is an excellent programmer.

Shitcoiner's Logic

#3. FUD. If 1 and 2 aren't doing the trick just keep repeating FUD (while simultaneously slipping in every possible negative you can about them or whatever coin they endorse). Politicians call this mudslinging, but we'll call it FUDslingin'.
legendary
Activity: 1052
Merit: 1004
April 09, 2016, 02:38:59 PM
Since they can't code, they will attack him. Can't wait for their GUI wallet to come out so their community then will realize how foolish they were to follow a coin that has developers who run a gambling site Fluffypony, giving another developer the highest win of 21800 Moneros "while having a guy named ARIEL being the 2nd top loser on Monerodice lol"; while having another developer Smooth working on two projects Aeon/monero and an officially been spam artist in this forum without actually developing any of these coins! amazing right?

What I like about Evan is that he's a doer no matter what haters say about him + the fact that he is an excellent programmer.

Monero is not relevant to this discussion. Start your own monero thread if you have any evidence of wrong doing. You do not hence why there is no well documented monero scam threads. This is diversion only.


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=monero+scam

Edit: Missing hint -> First link
legendary
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April 09, 2016, 02:36:41 PM
The only thing that Evan was guilty of is being excited, enthusiastic, and lacking foresight about what he was doing. You have to understand the timing as well. This was a time when several coins were hitting the market every day. Evan was excited about his creation and wanted to launch as soon as possible. His enthusiasm can be seen in the post you quoted.

Thank you for sharing your opinion, however.

Thank you for answering. That's an explanation that seems plausible. Fair enough.

Even if he was so excited and enthusiastic about launching it, as a smart guy, he should have known that his decision will be followed by consequences.  

Maybe it was because of his lack of foresight, but don't you see the troubling implications if that conclusion is right?





Grown people accept consequences and move forward. What was your point?
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