Deception & Misdirection by ZEC co. Forking ASIC Resistance Bitmain Antminer Z9 - page 3.

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Quote from: bitChipper on May 25, 2018, 09:29:17 AM

If there is ever a competing company to bitmain making similar ASICS, would that lighten all yall's hatred towards bitmain?

It just seems inevitable that eventually most POW coins will be dominated by some form of ASIC....

POS just makes more sense to me but I guess that is a separate debate.

They are just jealous of Bitmain's success or butt hurt when they lose GPU ROI or invest in an unprofitable model of ASIC.
You gotta know how to play each algo and adapt accordingly rather than whine like a petulant child.

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If there is ever a competing company to bitmain making similar ASICS, would that lighten all yall's hatred towards bitmain?

It just seems inevitable that eventually most POW coins will be dominated by some form of ASIC....

POS just makes more sense to me but I guess that is a separate debate.

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Quote from: Ramon1 on May 25, 2018, 09:21:36 AM

Quote from: TheronB on May 24, 2018, 12:23:12 AM

I still wanna see the look on people's faces IF ZEN decides not to fork.

"The ZenCash development team, in collaboration with the community, reserves the right to review and change the decision to Hard Fork, especially if it is determined that changing the Equihash-144-5 algorithm will not be effective in promoting decentralization of mining."

Just put the anti-progress, racist GPU owners who are unwilling to adapt to changes in mining on your ignore list and embrace the future of ASICs and FPGAs.

Jihan is that you buddy?

When posting something ignorant, at least try and be original. You could learn something from arielbit.

Welcome to ignore list.

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Quote from: TheronB on May 24, 2018, 12:23:12 AM

I still wanna see the look on people's faces IF ZEN decides not to fork.

"The ZenCash development team, in collaboration with the community, reserves the right to review and change the decision to Hard Fork, especially if it is determined that changing the Equihash-144-5 algorithm will not be effective in promoting decentralization of mining."

Just put the anti-progress, racist GPU owners who are unwilling to adapt to changes in mining on your ignore list and embrace the future of ASICs and FPGAs.

Jihan is that you buddy?

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Quote from: arielbit on May 25, 2018, 04:30:44 AM

Quote from: TheronB on May 24, 2018, 12:23:12 AM

I still wanna see the look on people's faces IF ZEN decides not to fork.

"The ZenCash development team, in collaboration with the community, reserves the right to review and change the decision to Hard Fork, especially if it is determined that changing the Equihash-144-5 algorithm will not be effective in promoting decentralization of mining."

Just put the anti-progress, racist GPU owners who are unwilling to adapt to changes in mining on your ignore list and embrace the future of ASICs and FPGAs.

racists? hell yeah!

send those ASICs to concentration camps near cheap source of electricity work their ass off until when the next generation "nm" is released, and then throw those fuckers in mass graves! unlike GPUs they don't deserve a long life, do many coins in their entire life and live around the world inside crypto miners home..

SIEG HEIL!

I think to need to reread the thread, lol. Blatant racism abound from certain users.

As for your post, couldn't those of us moving to FPGAs say the same thing about GPUs? FPGAs can do much more work per watt and are more configurable than GPUs.

I don't understand why people with supposed experience in mining wouldn't be willing to adapt when necessary.

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Quote from: TheronB on May 24, 2018, 12:23:12 AM

I still wanna see the look on people's faces IF ZEN decides not to fork.

"The ZenCash development team, in collaboration with the community, reserves the right to review and change the decision to Hard Fork, especially if it is determined that changing the Equihash-144-5 algorithm will not be effective in promoting decentralization of mining."

Just put the anti-progress, racist GPU owners who are unwilling to adapt to changes in mining on your ignore list and embrace the future of ASICs and FPGAs.

racists? hell yeah!

send those ASICs to concentration camps near cheap source of electricity work their ass off until when the next generation "nm" is released, and then throw those fuckers in mass graves! unlike GPUs they don't deserve a long life, do many coins in their entire life and live around the world inside crypto miners home..

SIEG HEIL!

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Also, there's ANOTHER division of crypto currency that makes it tick. It's not hardware developers. It's called software developers. One dominant "hardware" manufacturer (BITMAIN) makes another ASIC to sucker everyone into another insane illusion and this guy argues they are the future. I'm here to tell you "Software Developers" are going to PROVE to you that ASIC's and FPGA's are NOT the "future" of POW crypto currency. It's software development that will set the precedence. Software developers will soon put hardware developers in their place and bring them pretty much on an even kill with one another. Meaning, BITMAIN will be forced to compete in manufacturing costs with AMD, NVIDIA, INTEL, etc... if they want to convince future would be miners to fall for their grand illusion. BITMAIN, will only be able to make ASIC's that are 1.1 to 1.0 "or" 1.2 to 1.0 [at best] in power efficiency and hash rate with GPU's.

EXAMPLE: PROG Proof of Work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6B-ZCyP6K8&t

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Quote from: TheronB on May 24, 2018, 12:23:12 AM

I still wanna see the look on people's faces of ZEN decided not to fork.

"The ZenCash development team, in collaboration with the community, reserves the right to review and change the decision to Hard Fork, especially if it is determined that changing the Equihash-144-5 algorithm will not be effective in promoting decentralization of mining."

Just put the anti-progress, racist GPU owners who are unwilling to adapt to changes in mining on your ignore list and embrace the future of ASICs and FPGAs.

And another Bitmain proxy shilling the grand illusion.

Tell me, how are all of you with the L3 doing now? Hmmmmmm?

Tell me, how are all of you with the S9 doing now? Hmmmmmm?

Now you want the Z9; thinking it's the future of mining. Ever heard of this thing that repeating the same thing over and over again while expecting different results equals this thing called, "INSANITY?"

TheronB

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I still wanna see the look on people's faces IF ZEN decides not to fork.

"The ZenCash development team, in collaboration with the community, reserves the right to review and change the decision to Hard Fork, especially if it is determined that changing the Equihash-144-5 algorithm will not be effective in promoting decentralization of mining."

Just put the anti-progress, racist GPU owners who are unwilling to adapt to changes in mining on your ignore list and embrace the future of ASICs and FPGAs.

arielbit

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the thing is the "crypto sphere" just become bigger..

and ASICs companies want a bigger slice of the cake...FPGAs too

ASIC armies try to say ASICs are the future, dispose your GPUs so they can sell you their shit...business as usual...well my GPUs aren't going anywhere....

....grow a brain folks

personally I want to see an ASIC in person, hold it in my hands, never seen one up close...but will only buy it when ASIC costumers disposed it like trash.....and let it hash to a shitcoin I like hehe

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All GPU miner here since 2013....If only I can put a lot bigger smile in this damn emoticon Grin

all your GPUs will turn to ASICs when I snap my fingers..

now imagine the world I'm living Cheesy

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Quote from: Natuhant on May 23, 2018, 12:42:03 PM

Can Bitmain make ASIC similar to the AMD GPU, but with more instruction set for mining?

What you're describing is an FPGA. Even they can be forked out with the proper algo.

With the proper algo, ASIC's can be rendered on an even keel for the most part with GPU's. Like 1.1 to 1.0 OR 1.2 to 1.0 ratio. Mainly due to "mapping."

Then it would mean BITMAIN would more or less be replicating GPU's and would have to try to compete in manufacturing costs with AMD, NVIDIA, INTEL, etc... at that point.

Have a look at PROG Proof of Work. ESPANSE has already said they will use this algo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6B-ZCyP6K8&t=1s

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Quote from: dmwardjr on May 23, 2018, 11:28:41 AM

Quote from: Maren on May 23, 2018, 11:00:17 AM

Do at least some basic research. It is MUCH easier to reprogram a FPGA than forking a coin to counter them.

ASICs are also much more flexible than you imagine, Bitmain can make new ones for any forked algo before they fork it at a marginal cost to themselves.

The ride was nice while it lasted, but GPUs are just too inefficient to compete on current algos with tailored boards. There will probably be a lot of coins that will develop better ASIC resistance in time but the coins with a lot of traction and developing power will embrace more efficient ways of securing their networks.

They are in it for the money, like us and everyone else. Whoever says anything else is your enemy.

GPU's are becoming more efficient. However, you're focus is too shallow and doesn't go deep enough. You say, "Bitmain can make new ones for any forked algo before they fork it at a marginal cost to themselves." That was at least THIS go around. Cause so-called "ASIC Resistant coins" dropped the ball on maintaining ASIC Resistance. It will be different the next time after the FORK(s).

REMINDER: R&D on a new ASIC for BITMAIN is approximately 6 months.

The good thing accomplished out of all this is finding out which coin(s) had truly supported community (GPU Miners) and which did not.

Can Bitmain make ASIC similar to the AMD GPU, but with more instruction set for mining?

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Quote from: Maren on May 23, 2018, 11:00:17 AM

Do at least some basic research. It is MUCH easier to reprogram a FPGA than forking a coin to counter them.

ASICs are also much more flexible than you imagine, Bitmain can make new ones for any forked algo before they fork it at a marginal cost to themselves.

The ride was nice while it lasted, but GPUs are just too inefficient to compete on current algos with tailored boards. There will probably be a lot of coins that will develop better ASIC resistance in time but the coins with a lot of traction and developing power will embrace more efficient ways of securing their networks.

They are in it for the money, like us and everyone else. Whoever says anything else is your enemy.

GPU's are becoming more efficient. However, you're focus is too shallow and doesn't go deep enough. You say, "Bitmain can make new ones for any forked algo before they fork it at a marginal cost to themselves." That was at least THIS go around. Cause so-called "ASIC Resistant coins" dropped the ball on maintaining ASIC Resistance. It will be different the next time after the FORK(s).

REMINDER: R&D on a new ASIC for BITMAIN is approximately 6 months.

The good thing accomplished out of all this is finding out which coin(s) had truly supported community (GPU Miners) and which did not.

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Quote from: Maren on May 23, 2018, 11:00:17 AM

Quote from: gameboy366 on May 23, 2018, 10:42:06 AM

Quote from: piratek on May 23, 2018, 09:46:59 AM

I hope all you GPU users take it up the ass. ASICs and FPGAs are the way of the future. Get used to it!

It's the opposite. They are the past not future. Making an algo resistant to FPGAs (economically) is possible.

Do at least some basic research. It is MUCH easier to reprogram a FPGA than forking a coin to counter them.

ASICs are also much more flexible than you imagine, Bitmain can make new ones for any forked algo before they fork it at a marginal cost to themselves.

The ride was nice while it lasted, but GPUs are just too inefficient to compete on current algos with tailored boards. There will probably be a lot of coins that will develop better ASIC resistance in time but the coins with a lot of traction and developing power will embrace more efficient ways of securing their networks.

They are in it for the money, like us and everyone else. Whoever says anything else is your enemy.

Forking is not the only option to FPGA resistance. Another guy told me that with FPGAs your limited with the number of programable gates the silicon has. The more complicated the algorithm the less "cores" you can fit on the die. If someone wanted to create a GPU algorithm that was not as economical on an FPGA, you would make it so each round requires a ridiculous amount of instructions, or have the coin use a large amount of different algorithms which take up precious FPGA space. You then take the advantage away from FPGAs because 1) it would require alot more effort and time to program the FPGA, and 2) you can't fit as many cores on it, so the instead of it being 10x as fast as a GPU, you can only get away with 2-3x with maybe a slight increase in efficiency.

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Quote from: gameboy366 on May 23, 2018, 10:42:06 AM

Quote from: piratek on May 23, 2018, 09:46:59 AM

I hope all you GPU users take it up the ass. ASICs and FPGAs are the way of the future. Get used to it!

It's the opposite. They are the past not future. Making an algo resistant to FPGAs (economically) is possible.

Do at least some basic research. It is MUCH easier to reprogram a FPGA than forking a coin to counter them.

ASICs are also much more flexible than you imagine, Bitmain can make new ones for any forked algo before they fork it at a marginal cost to themselves.

The ride was nice while it lasted, but GPUs are just too inefficient to compete on current algos with tailored boards. There will probably be a lot of coins that will develop better ASIC resistance in time but the coins with a lot of traction and developing power will embrace more efficient ways of securing their networks.

They are in it for the money, like us and everyone else. Whoever says anything else is your enemy.

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Quote from: piratek on May 23, 2018, 09:46:59 AM

I hope all you GPU users take it up the ass. ASICs and FPGAs are the way of the future. Get used to it!

It's the opposite. They are the past not future. Making an algo resistant to FPGAs (economically) is possible.

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Quote from: piratek on May 23, 2018, 09:46:59 AM

I hope all you GPU users take it up the ass. ASICs and FPGAs are the way of the future. Get used to it!

Heard this same thing 14 months ago.. been two all time highs in GPU profitibility since.. made a bunch of $ and cards are all paid off.

What I'm saying is, you're an idiot.

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I hope all you GPU users take it up the ass. ASICs and FPGAs are the way of the future. Get used to it!

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Quote from: dmwardjr on May 23, 2018, 03:56:25 AM

I'll let you ponder your statements and maybe some day [Maybe several years or never] you'll figure it out. Your mind is biased.

I'm saying Developers make their coin more attractive by bringing about what you see in the bottom signature of all my posts. As for everything else you said, YOU figure it out. You're simply too biased and want to try to justify your absurd logic in posts with me.

It's blatantly obvious you're biased. So obvious, I'm not going to waste my time refuting everything else cause it's that easy for everyone else who understands to read between the lines. IF someone else were to come on with an unbiased mind and legitimate statements and/or questions, I'll attempt to explain. As for you, you're simply not worth my time.

I learned a LONG time ago in this industry, "BE CAREFUL OF MAKING FLAT STATEMENTS." You've made one after the other over and over again. Are you a developer? Hell no... Otherwise, I know for a fact you would not have made the statements you made.

Ignored permanently...

Biased man call others as biased while thinking that they are the awakened one. English is not my first language as you can see so I have some trouble explaining my ideas. Anyway, I am on this forum to understand the psychology of miners due to which I am also mining with few gpu rigs. I am involved with a cryptocurrency project that I think will be revolutionary.

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