Topic: Default Trust Visualisation [Picture Heavy!!!] [14th Sept] - page 8. (Read 10249 times)

Yes. Yes it is. Solutions?

Holy shit, I'm not sure I could have paraphrased that any better. You are exactly right... I had not even gotten that far in my thinking with regards to how things are run around here, but now that you point it out it really is a travesty and a joke. DefaultTrust is there to "protect all the newbs!" but those in the DefaultTrust and otherwise let all sorts of other amoral shit go on in the name of freedom and libertarian idealism bullshit.

Now that you've clarified it, I'd go so far as to say anyone who thinks DefaultTrust is a good idea is a hypocritical twat. Do something about all the scams and hinky shit going on nearly everywhere on the forum before you bitch about how DefaultTrust is helping newbs and it is a good thing.

I gotta hand it to you dogie, you have perfectly visualised what a "Good-old-boy" network looks like. It's near perfect visualization of Congress, lobbyists and politicians in a microcosm. Bravo! Satoshi must be turning over in his grave right about now.

Hmm, I was able to find my libeler at level 2 and their sponsor at level 1. There's 2 excludes for my list!

Wonder how many more are at level 2 that I've left neg or neutral trust on...

I already did. Most users who sign up don't know what DefaultTrust is and don't know that they should disable it. That's my point. Thank you for making my point for me.

I like how all the staff and people in the DefaultTrust are all for it and constantly talk about all it's virtues and how it actually "helps newbies avoid scams" when some of the biggest scammers were in DefaultTrust to start with.

Yes, Theymos enforces it. It's on by default. If it wasn't enforced, it would be off by default.

Please do yourself a "favour" and replace the time spent posting about things you obviously don't know anything about and do something useful with your time.


Yes, many things have been proposed. The simplest being remove DefaultTrust and let people set up their own trust lists. That is far better than a scam filled DefaultTrust good-old-boy network. A fair portion of the people in the current DefaultTrust have been related to one scam or another, or some shady action either directly or by proxy. There's nothing trustworthy about anyone in the DefaultTrust.

But regardless of where you stand on DefaultTrust... the fact is DefaultTrust is a centralized system controlled by a few (one person, actually). Unless you are part of the elite, you have no say in DefaultTrust. It's 100% exactly what Satoshi and the whole Bitcoin movement is meant to avoid. It goes against the idea and philosophy of the very core of Bitcoin, that's why it's so ridiculous.

Decentralization indeed.

"enforces", yeah theymos pointed me with a gun to accept DefaultTrust. Oh wait, I don't trust DefaultTrust…

Please do a favour to yourself (and others) and replace the time spent posting nonsense with time spent setting up your trust network.

Ohh, that makes sense now. Thank you for the explanation, and sorry for being a douchebag; I find the trust system more difficult understand than the Bitcoin protocol, lol.

Yes, see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full for the hierarchical view. If you have a custom trust list, you'll have to delete it back to DefaultTrust temporarily to see the 'standard' view.

Oh wait, does this mean that BadBear has added me to his personal trust list? Wow, that's awesome.
Where do you get information of people's personal trust lists?

Default trust serves its purpose for helping new members avoid scams.  It may not be perfect but it's the best we have.

Nothing at all. Apart from Adam Allcock & yourself following each other around, swapping spit & posting exactly the same thing as each other in an effort to cover up the fact that you both (correctly) have multiple trust abuse claims against you in this very section. Not to mention his obvious scam thread where you keep posting for him  

It's ironic that probably the two worst trust abusers on the forum keep harping on about how trustworthy they think they are, when it took me less than a minute to count a combined total of at least 6 dedicated threads here complaining of trust abuse by both of you towards forum members - & that's not including the many more posts complaining about you both in many, many other threads.

This has all the hallmarks of becoming another quickseller/dogie love-in thread. Let it die before that happens.

Someone save us  

It's easy to complain.

It's a lot more difficult to come up with something better.

Bitcointalk, oh how awesome you are!

Bitcoin philosophy to decentralize monetary concerns and build a trustless system. So what does Bitcointalk do? Makes a centralized trust network and enforces it by default for anyone signing up through the DefaultTrust network.

Not only does Defaulttrust go against everything Bitcoin is built to avoid, but it is a perfect demonstration of WHY it should be avoided, since so many scammers and untrustworthy people have been in DefaultTrust at one time or another and many more will be in the future.

What a load of horseshit.

Yup, in his trust list. I think I removed all the errors in the formulas but let me know if you see any glaring ones.


That I can make? Not a lot, but it allows you to see who is adding people as a sole source, who is trusted by multiple (towards the centre) etc.

Default trust looks very different when you set it to Depth 3 [I'll do it tomorrow], and forgot to say this does NOT include those excluded.

This is trust list, not trust feedback. They are different.

Okay, I'm confused now. Why am I under BadBear, if I have never been given trust by him??

What conclusions do you think can be made with either the above results or with results with your software?

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DefaultTrust Visualisation
Hello all, I've been playing around with new data visualisation software and thought I'd use DefaultTrust's data while learning. I've coded something that takes data from the trust list and provides it to the software, so it should be pretty quick to update it over time, or provide other variants or custom trust lists.

Comments:

• Nodes [the names] represent accounts, and lines / arrows joining them represent additions on trust lists. Ie BadBear-> theymos represents BadBear including Theymos on his trust list.
• Both size and color are used to visualise Depth level on Depth 2 and Depth 3 networks. See additional comments on the more complicated ones later on.
  
• Doesn't visualise exclusions from DefaultTrust, those people just aren't shown, or as shown as trusted if others still trust them.
• Only shows the highest appearance of a member in Default Trust. Ie Badbear is in multiple levels, but will only be shown in Depth 1.
• Excludes 'upstream' list additions from Depth 2 members to Depth 1 or 0 in the non full network visualisations.
• Does not show 'upstream' list additions from Depth 2 members to Depth 1 or 0.
• FA2 = "Forced Atlas 2", YH = "Yifan Hu" mathematical algorithms.

2015.05.16 Depth2 FA2 [1MB]	2015.05.16 Depth2 YH [1MB]	2015.05.16 Depth2 Layered [1MB]

These are the same networks as if CanaryInTheMine was still in DefaultTrust with his old list. You can see the problem his list caused.

2015.05.16 Depth2 + CITM FA2 [4MB]	2015.05.16 Depth3 + CITM YH [3MB]	2015.05.16 Depth2 + CITM Layered [6MB]

With Depth3.

2015.05.16 Depth3 FA2 [4MB]	2015.05.16 Depth3 YH [5MB]	2015.05.16 Depth3 Layered [20MB]

"Depth11" trust network [See notes here]

2015.05.16 Depth11 FA2 [40MB]	2015.05.16 Depth11 FA [50MB]

**NEWEST** "Depth11" trust network [See notes here]

2015.09.12 Depth11 FA2 [64MB]	2015.09.12 Depth 11 YH [60MB]

2015.09.12 Depth11 Layered [81MB]	2015.09.12 Depth11 3D Layered [40MB]