Topic: DefaultTrust changes - page 3. (Read 85461 times)

See DT-strength (last updated in April because the updates are very slow):
TSC has never been off DT.

To be precise, you're not exactly "off DT".

Though you've been off DT1-eligibility due to you clearing your trust list back in August 2022, you've never off of it. You've always been on DT2 ever since, because there are... dozens of DT1 having you on their trust list. I just did a quick scan, though, so maybe [though I doubted it] there were one or two weeks when you're off the DT2 list.

LV has a nice weekly list of it, if you're interested to see how long you've been on DT2 [and DT1]. It should be starting from around this page.

Correct.

I exclude him in my trust list because he never left any appropriate feedback.

Is this why we can't see RebelMoney on polymerbit's trust list?
https://loyce.club/trust/2023-11-04_Sat_05.07h/811213.html

Brand new user RebelMoney is on DT2. The user has positive feedback from polymerbit.

Users without posts don't show up on theymos' weekly Trust data dump, so I had to check Hierarchical Trust settings to confirm polymerbit is the one who included him.
Obviously, this user does not match the description:

I only now came across this post, because I'm modifying my trust list to exclude Ratimov and wanted to see when I was removed from DT.

I don't generally post PMs, but in that particular case above I didn't think it was in any way inappropriate and in any case there didn't seem to be much blowback or harm done, so I'm not sure why you ran your fool-ass mouth.  I wasn't bragging either, by the way.  I was absolutely honored to be added to DT back then, and it actually made me feel good in real life.  My point was that DT used to be a much more curated list and not like it is today and, I'd add, there was a lot of opposition to me being added to it the first time.  I got lucky; I appreciated the gesture and support back then; and I tried to use the influence the position gave me to better the forum.

So there, take that!!!

And dang, I seriously did not realize I'd been off DT for all this time.  That's OK though.

Theymos reshuffled DT1.

Removed:
     1. Staff Welsh (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (3098 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary gbianchi (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (1494 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Staff EFS (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (1004 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Global Moderator hilariousandco (Trust: +26 / =1 / -0) (1493 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary cryptodevil (Trust: +9 / =0 / -1) (207 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary DaveF (Trust: +27 / =1 / -0) (5318 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary minerjones (Trust: +125 / =0 / -0) (2449 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +20 / =0 / -0) (7783 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary sandy-is-fine (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (220 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary Real-Duke (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (984 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary TwitchySeal (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (1474 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary TryNinja (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (5821 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary BitcoinGirl.Club (Trust: +1 / =5 / -0) (1531 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary Jet Cash (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1913 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary condoras (Trust: +12 / =0 / -0) (596 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Copper Member crwth (Trust: +3 / =3 / -0) (951 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary Kryptowerk (Trust: +46 / =0 / -0) (1139 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary Best_Change (Trust: +27 / =8 / -1) (1784 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary Trofo (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (2281 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary icopress (Trust: +36 / =0 / -0) (5828 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Copper Member logfiles (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1504 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Legendary joniboini (Trust: neutral) (1733 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary tvplus006 (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (1624 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary Lakai01 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (2491 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Legendary Husna QA (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (2593 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Legendary Bthd (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (2484 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Legendary abhiseshakana (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (2135 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. Legendary 1miau (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (6232 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. Legendary YOSHIE (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (1737 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. Hero Member n0nce (Trust: neutral) (5642 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Added:
     1. Staff HostFat (Trust: neutral) (201 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary fronti (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (296 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary ibminer (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1466 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary vizique (Trust: +36 / =0 / -0) (603 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary wwzsocki (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (1402 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Staff dbshck (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (596 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary Buchi-88 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (1350 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary irfan_pak10 (Trust: +14 / =1 / -0) (631 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary yahoo62278 (Trust: +36 / =2 / -0) (3249 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Copper Member LeGaulois (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (3502 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary Lafu (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (2306 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Hero Member polymerbit (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (815 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Sr. Member tweetious (Trust: +32 / =0 / -0) (351 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Sr. Member comit (Trust: +35 / =0 / -0) (73 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary JollyGood (Trust: +16 / =3 / -1) (1362 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary hugeblack (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (3168 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary KTChampions (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (1627 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary GreatArkansas (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1225 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary TheBeardedBaby (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (3102 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary witcher_sense (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (4079 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary Heisenberg_Hunter (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (1259 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Sr. Member stoos (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (280 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary morvillz7z (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1981 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary fillippone (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (14010 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Legendary cryptofrka (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (1483 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Legendary lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +27 / =2 / -0) (4028 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Legendary Ratimov (Trust: +23 / =2 / -1) (11809 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. Hero Member Lachrymose (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (932 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. Legendary seek3r (Trust: +15 / =1 / -0) (1558 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. Legendary Charles-Tim (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (4318 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Being eligible to be in a list of candidates to DT1 doesn't depend on others DT1, you need at least 10 users with a number of conditions that added your name in their Trust lists and to meet some conditions yourself. And you'll get a chance with a next reshuffle.

But if many other DT1s distrusted someone his tags will have no DT power anymore and he will not have a power to vote for DT2, only for and against other DT1s. So it doesn't matter too much.

How did be.open even end up on this list? No one added him to the trust list from the DT1 selection. Although looking at BPIP, he is neither in the DT1 nor DT2 selection.

---

It is possible that such accounts were active and posted on local boards, but because you have these sections on hide/ignore, you don't see their posts.

Theymos reshuffled DT1.

Removed:
     1. Administrator theymos (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (10523 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Staff HostFat (Trust: neutral) (198 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary Carlton Banks (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (2060 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary wwzsocki (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (1401 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Staff dbshck (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (569 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary arulbero (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (1017 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary Buchi-88 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1291 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary willi9974 (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (1348 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary irfan_pak10 (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (616 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary BitcoinPenny (Trust: +48 / =0 / -0) (1202 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary yahoo62278 (Trust: +38 / =2 / -0) (3239 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary o_solo_miner (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (423 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Copper Member LeGaulois (Trust: +3 / =3 / -0) (3447 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary ekiller (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (612 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary Lafu (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (2264 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Sr. Member tweetious (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (349 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary finaleshot2016 (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (906 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Sr. Member comit (Trust: +36 / =0 / -0) (71 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary Baofeng (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (1351 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary JollyGood (Trust: +15 / =3 / -2) (1352 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary hugeblack (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (3084 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Legendary KTChampions (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (1618 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary GreatArkansas (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1223 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Hero Member 3meek (Trust: neutral) (520 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Legendary witcher_sense (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (4035 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Legendary morvillz7z (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1979 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Legendary fillippone (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (13798 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. Legendary efialtis (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (1326 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. Legendary Ratimov (Trust: +24 / =1 / -1) (11570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. Legendary Charles-Tim (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (4216 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. Hero Member MrCryptHodl (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (821 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Added:
     1. Legendary babo (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (2798 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Staff Welsh (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (3098 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Copper Member Mitchell (Trust: +47 / =1 / -0) (958 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary Avirunes (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (468 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary cryptodevil (Trust: +9 / =0 / -1) (205 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary NeuroticFish (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (5144 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Staff achow101 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (4815 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary DaveF (Trust: +33 / =2 / -0) (5248 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary zazarb (Trust: +34 / =0 / -0) (544 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary pooya87 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (8545 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary klarki (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (2015 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary Jet Cash (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (1905 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary condoras (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (596 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary holydarkness (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (686 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary buwaytress (Trust: +18 / =0 / -0) (2682 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary Vispilio (Trust: +3 / =3 / -2) (1227 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Copper Member be.open (Trust: +0 / =2 / -6) (631 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary imhoneer (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1224 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary wolwoo (Trust: +0 / =3 / -2) (839 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary El duderino_ (Trust: +29 / =2 / -0) (10649 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary joniboini (Trust: neutral) (1714 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Sr. Member Agrawas (Trust: +56 / =0 / -0) (478 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary DdmrDdmr (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (9863 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary Lakai01 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (2376 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Legendary abhiseshakana (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (2121 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Legendary madnessteat (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (1733 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Copper Member Harkorede (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (758 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. Legendary Little Mouse (Trust: +11 / =2 / -0) (1734 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. Legendary jokers10 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (2230 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. Legendary zasad@ (Trust: +3 / =3 / -0) (3954 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. Legendary NotATether (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (5821 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

I have seen several accounts that do not make a post but their profiles show they were last active the same day or within the last week yet they may have last made a post over a year ago. I never correlated that with BPIP therefore cannot state how it works as a comparator to how it probably should.

Without making a reference to any member, in the generic sense I can only assume they would want to login but not make posts is either to check if they received messages or because they have been regularly sending/receiving messages.

Quite possibly therefore at least it has been archived. Not only that it has been quoted in replies for reference too.

I really hate this archive sites. They take ages to load and I feel lost there. What hunt you mean if you please write something about it. Not that I really care.

He cared that's why we had this new trust setting idea. But now he seems lost. Not knowing what to do anymore.

@theymos, I know you never cared about such cases even though is expected from someone with your stature to care about things like that.

But as a reminder, just to know what a joke  they have turned trust system into.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5468086

That post will come back to haunt you one of these days...

Archive [N] [1] [2]

It's probably because he just reset the password via secret question but new came online if you look at his profile, he was last active on January 12, 2022, 04:01:44 PM and his last post was on March 17, 2021, 04:38:26 PM

In order for BPIP, to detect if the account woke up after long, the profile has to make a new post. This is what I have always known happens.

Wait a minute. I have no idea how BenCodie was added, it's a mistake 100%. Other day I was checking my list and was considering to update the whole list before changing the mind to do it later. It's now restored.

Until BenCodie was DT trusted by BitcoinGirl.Club , the only other person to DT trust them is ny2cafuse

https://loyce.club/trust/2023-09-02_Sat_05.07h/404695.html

---

---

@suchmoon & @ibminer

ny2cafuse has been inactive for 602 days [BPIP - (Active 602 days ago)] - Archive [1] [2] there seems to be a gltich in BPIP as they came online 6/27/2023 10:07:51 PM    password reset via secret question however, BPIP does not reflect their recent activity.  Might be a glitch in BPIP ??

---

---

Looking at ny2cafuse's default trust list, we can see they too don't have a grasp of the nuances of the "Trust" system:

https://loyce.club/trust/2023-09-02_Sat_05.07h/81419.html

---

---

Looking deeper, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=81419 we see that quite a few of their DT trust are the result of trades:



( @gmaxwell might want to review their DT trust of ssateneth too )

I appreciate all of the effort that you put into your post. I won't address it all as for the most part, as a lot of it can be left at where it is. I will say, that I'll have to agree to disagree with nutildah believing I have impaired judgement. I think that in comparison to others, my judgement is quite the opposite of impaired - however, maybe my use of the trust system and the way that I think that it could be used (which I believe, would not only be an appropriate way to use it but also effective for the betterment of the forum) is different to that of the norm. Whether or not that warrants my opinion to mean nothing is another subject, to which I and I'm sure everyone else can not be bothered discussing.

I think that time will tell as I continue to use the system as I see it is fit to use.

In relation to what you said about the feedback on JollyGood, the feedback wasn't primarily retaliatory. It would have been left whether or not he had left one on my profile or not, after the thought given over the few days following the reputation thread left by Shirshar or whatever his name is. The reason is that I believe blatant lying is untrustworthy, and poses trade risk (already detailed). At the minimum, someone who has these traits and has displayed them on multiple occasions should not have the power that he has. It can very easily be abused, and become destructive for the forum. However, that's my opinion. I've left my feedback, I will leave it as is and if someone else displays the same characteristics, my rationale will be the same. Liar = negative feedback, referenced with proof of such. Someone who fiddles with the truth to hurt others shouldn't be trusted IMO but if some users of the forum defend this kind of behavior and sees this view as impaired judgement, so be it.

I apologize that you had to spend so much time on that post and credits to you for putting the effort in. While I am stubborn with negotiating my logic and reason, I am sure that post will help others to use the trust system as you and others see fit.

As for me, time will tell if my judgement will have a positive impact on the forum

---

tl;dr: nutildah probably most likely distrust you because you leave incorrect feedback and have an impaired judgement instead of simply disagreeing with you.

---

I won't pretend I know what's exactly on nutildah's mind, but I'm pretty much sure you're wrong about why he distrusted you; that he simply doesn't see eye to eye with your view. I think it's more to what you left on JG's trust feedback and said here on this thread, as evidenced on #2805, #2807 [and yes, I read every part of that essay], perhaps can also be glimpsed on #2809.

If I may divulge more, if you don't trust JG, as stated on #2805, then what you should do it put a tilde on JG's name on your trust list, or perhaps simply ignore him, instead of writing a negative feedback. When you leave a negative feedback based on what arguably a retaliation,


or that you've been placing incorrect feedback numerous times, or as stated on #2807, "however I am someone who looks at things as they are, excluding the politics and general consensus, and making my own judgements", others are allowed to consider a possibility that you didn't know how trust feedback intended to work, thus allows people to at the very least questions your ability to leave an accurate feedback.


I believe, this is also what Loyce implies when he said,


He politely asked you if you would like to get yourself acquainted with the trust system of the forum, or you'd like to perceive the trust system the way you want it, which, by the way, you're completely allowed to, as the forum are leaning toward decentralization, there's no strict and absolute mainframe established by one person. But, again, it'll imply that you doesn't know how the trust system intended to work, and though you're fully entitled that opinion, others are also entitled to perceive that you might leave inaccurate feedback later in the future because of that perspective you have. Thus, excluding you from the decentalized system of Default Trust, thus tilde.