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Quote from: Muscleminer on October 23, 2014, 05:31:25 AM

It should be some 6th/s unit, right ?

No, the S series goes to small miner to big

S1 small 180 ghash
s2 big 1000 ghash (or 1thash)
s3 small 440ish ghash
s4 big 2thash
c1 (middle)?) 1thash
s5 small but either 600-800?

The c1 is using their new miner but is pretty expensive (most are at launch) it may be a middle inbetween miner still for home use though.

c1 1thash (liquid cooled 2 s3 boards oc'ed)

2 C1s come pretty close to the S4 in price when you add PSU's and water kit. The S4 is probley slightly cheaper. If you have PSUs laying around that are 1k watts + then C1 is better deal for you.

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It should be some 6th/s unit, right ?

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Quote from: TheDragonSlayer on October 21, 2014, 10:39:54 PM

Quote from: notlist3d on October 21, 2014, 10:13:43 PM

Quote from: toptek on October 21, 2014, 09:44:28 PM

Quote from: notlist3d on October 17, 2014, 08:25:35 PM

Quote from: xstr8guy on October 17, 2014, 07:27:41 PM

There won't be an S5 available for retail sale, in my opinion. If BitMain develops an S5, they'll stock their DCs with them and if you're lucky they offer some cloudmining up for sale. But most likely it will be just another massive private mining operation.

Home mining is dead. But don't lemme stop ya'll from speculatin' & dreamin'. Wink

Mining is still alive with cheap electricity. I will agree it's no longer the 3 month roi guarentee. At one time I could be sure to be in profit at 90 days, now my calculations are going longer. I think Bitmain will continue to sell to public as it is a benefit for both, with them selling public the gear is cheaper for them as everything is in bigger quantity.

I do agree there will be a day when most are "cloud mining". As i like hardware i hope it is still a little ways away. Cloud mining is getting cheaper though and will continue to be more and more attractive.

nothing is ever dead till its dead and gone and we no longer here about it . how i see it . right now its not dead depends on what you term as dead . but my thought on dead is dead and is no more .

like gold mining by some one off the streets that is truly dead . Some still try it and lose all they have etc .but home mining is it not dead in the sense of how you do it and what you want form it .

oyea How greedy are you !

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I personally agree home mining is not dead. I know I still have not switched to cloud mining. For me personally it is still cheaper to mine with hardware, espically now that winter is so close.

Cloud mining should be more profitable then own hardware now cause they can get cheaper shipment charges, cheaper mining hardware and cheaper electricity charges due to bulk..

It is cheaper but still not as cheap for me..... find me one where you own the hardware and can get less then 10 cents per kwh. It just is not to that point yet.

And look at some hardware such as S3 and S4 there is still no bulk discount they are selling good without it. If you went with prisma or something you could get bulk discount.

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Are you idiots still wanting to ~~BUY~~ DONATE with your hard earned money ?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-21/bitcoin-miner-ditches-clients-to-chase-2-billion-coding-prize.html

I would just flush mine in a toilet if i hate money that much

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Quote from: notlist3d on October 21, 2014, 10:13:43 PM

Quote from: toptek on October 21, 2014, 09:44:28 PM

Quote from: notlist3d on October 17, 2014, 08:25:35 PM

Quote from: xstr8guy on October 17, 2014, 07:27:41 PM

There won't be an S5 available for retail sale, in my opinion. If BitMain develops an S5, they'll stock their DCs with them and if you're lucky they offer some cloudmining up for sale. But most likely it will be just another massive private mining operation.

Home mining is dead. But don't lemme stop ya'll from speculatin' & dreamin'. Wink

Mining is still alive with cheap electricity. I will agree it's no longer the 3 month roi guarentee. At one time I could be sure to be in profit at 90 days, now my calculations are going longer. I think Bitmain will continue to sell to public as it is a benefit for both, with them selling public the gear is cheaper for them as everything is in bigger quantity.

I do agree there will be a day when most are "cloud mining". As i like hardware i hope it is still a little ways away. Cloud mining is getting cheaper though and will continue to be more and more attractive.

nothing is ever dead till its dead and gone and we no longer here about it . how i see it . right now its not dead depends on what you term as dead . but my thought on dead is dead and is no more .

like gold mining by some one off the streets that is truly dead . Some still try it and lose all they have etc .but home mining is it not dead in the sense of how you do it and what you want form it .

oyea How greedy are you !

.

I personally agree home mining is not dead. I know I still have not switched to cloud mining. For me personally it is still cheaper to mine with hardware, espically now that winter is so close.

Cloud mining should be more profitable then own hardware now cause they can get cheaper shipment charges, cheaper mining hardware and cheaper electricity charges due to bulk..

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Quote from: toptek on October 21, 2014, 09:44:28 PM

Quote from: notlist3d on October 17, 2014, 08:25:35 PM

Quote from: xstr8guy on October 17, 2014, 07:27:41 PM

There won't be an S5 available for retail sale, in my opinion. If BitMain develops an S5, they'll stock their DCs with them and if you're lucky they offer some cloudmining up for sale. But most likely it will be just another massive private mining operation.

Home mining is dead. But don't lemme stop ya'll from speculatin' & dreamin'. Wink

Mining is still alive with cheap electricity. I will agree it's no longer the 3 month roi guarentee. At one time I could be sure to be in profit at 90 days, now my calculations are going longer. I think Bitmain will continue to sell to public as it is a benefit for both, with them selling public the gear is cheaper for them as everything is in bigger quantity.

I do agree there will be a day when most are "cloud mining". As i like hardware i hope it is still a little ways away. Cloud mining is getting cheaper though and will continue to be more and more attractive.

nothing is ever dead till its dead and gone and we no longer here about it . how i see it . right now its not dead depends on what you term as dead . but my thought on dead is dead and is no more .

like gold mining by some one off the streets that is truly dead . Some still try it and lose all they have etc .but home mining is it not dead in the sense of how you do it and what you want form it .

oyea How greedy are you !

.

I personally agree home mining is not dead. I know I still have not switched to cloud mining. For me personally it is still cheaper to mine with hardware, espically now that winter is so close.

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Quote from: notlist3d on October 17, 2014, 08:25:35 PM

Quote from: xstr8guy on October 17, 2014, 07:27:41 PM

There won't be an S5 available for retail sale, in my opinion. If BitMain develops an S5, they'll stock their DCs with them and if you're lucky they offer some cloudmining up for sale. But most likely it will be just another massive private mining operation.

Home mining is dead. But don't lemme stop ya'll from speculatin' & dreamin'. Wink

Mining is still alive with cheap electricity. I will agree it's no longer the 3 month roi guarentee. At one time I could be sure to be in profit at 90 days, now my calculations are going longer. I think Bitmain will continue to sell to public as it is a benefit for both, with them selling public the gear is cheaper for them as everything is in bigger quantity.

I do agree there will be a day when most are "cloud mining". As i like hardware i hope it is still a little ways away. Cloud mining is getting cheaper though and will continue to be more and more attractive.

nothing is ever dead till its dead and gone and we no longer here about it . how i see it . right now its not dead depends on what you term as dead . but my thought on dead is dead and is no more .

like gold mining by some one off the streets that is truly dead . Some still try it and lose all they have etc .but home mining is it not dead in the sense of how you do it and what you want form it .

oyea How greedy are you !

.

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Quote from: iglasses on October 20, 2014, 11:50:14 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on October 20, 2014, 08:42:48 PM

At the mods I thought my joke was funny, but I understand the deletion.

At the op there is no way an s-5 will be built for many months to come. Now if some one puts out a .2 watt miner

the s-5 may show up as a competitor.

Builders don't need to build miners faster if they have a good miner on the market. Once some real .2 watt gear is built something like a .25 watt s-5 will appear.

This is almost exactly what I said a few days before they announced the S4...lol

or just improve what they have now and sell more for less and make more .

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Quote from: chopstick on October 17, 2014, 01:44:30 PM

I'm waiting for the 10TH miners for $500 to come out.

What do you guys think, like a year from now?

count on it when who knows but it will but will that 10TH really be all that then .

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 20, 2014, 08:42:48 PM

At the mods I thought my joke was funny, but I understand the deletion.

At the op there is no way an s-5 will be built for many months to come. Now if some one puts out a .2 watt miner

the s-5 may show up as a competitor.

Builders don't need to build miners faster if they have a good miner on the market. Once some real .2 watt gear is built something like a .25 watt s-5 will appear.

This is almost exactly what I said a few days before they announced the S4...lol

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 20, 2014, 08:42:48 PM

At the mods I thought my joke was funny, but I understand the deletion.

At the op there is no way an s-5 will be built for many months to come. Now if some one puts out a .2 watt miner

the s-5 may show up as a competitor.

Builders don't need to build miners faster if they have a good miner on the market. Once some real .2 watt gear is built something like a .25 watt s-5 will appear.

So far bitmain is really good with power efficiency, I believe they would come out S5 with 0.4 watt at least.

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At the mods I thought my joke was funny, but I understand the deletion.

At the op there is no way an s-5 will be built for many months to come. Now if some one puts out a .2 watt miner

the s-5 may show up as a competitor.

Builders don't need to build miners faster if they have a good miner on the market. Once some real .2 watt gear is built something like a .25 watt s-5 will appear.

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Quote from: BTCish on October 20, 2014, 01:59:10 AM

Is this miner in plans at all ?

Nope, its just speculation.

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Is this miner in plans at all ?

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Quote from: iglasses on October 19, 2014, 08:33:37 PM

This is usually about the time where I chime in and say how ridiculous it is to be talking about version x+1 when x is still being sold, pushed, etc. but this time imma just STFU and get a bag o popcorn ready.

please don't STFU.

I figure this margins are tight for asic builders coins are at 390 usd. I think they will attempt to sell very slowly and promote small diff increases.
If they can get coins above 550 they will expand.

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This is usually about the time where I chime in and say how ridiculous it is to be talking about version x+1 when x is still being sold, pushed, etc. but this time imma just STFU and get a bag o popcorn ready.

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Since bitmain is always about energy efficiency, they might use 16nm chip for S5 and push down the watt per gh down to like 0.3.

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Quote from: xstr8guy on October 18, 2014, 06:05:16 PM

Quote from: notlist3d on October 17, 2014, 08:25:35 PM

Quote from: xstr8guy on October 17, 2014, 07:27:41 PM

There won't be an S5 available for retail sale, in my opinion. If BitMain develops an S5, they'll stock their DCs with them and if you're lucky they offer some cloudmining up for sale. But most likely it will be just another massive private mining operation.

Home mining is dead. But don't lemme stop ya'll from speculatin' & dreamin'. Wink

Mining is still alive with cheap electricity. I will agree it's no longer the 3 month roi guarentee. At one time I could be sure to be in profit at 90 days, now my calculations are going longer. I think Bitmain will continue to sell to public as it is a benefit for both, with them selling public the gear is cheaper for them as everything is in bigger quantity.

I do agree there will be a day when most are "cloud mining". As i like hardware i hope it is still a little ways away. Cloud mining is getting cheaper though and will continue to be more and more attractive.

Maybe I'm a month or two premature with my "home mining is dead" prediction. I'm still mining at home with 10THs. But I'm just breaking even after electricity costs at .12kWh. Maybe I should state it like this... Home mining is dead within 60 days for 95% of the current home miners.

As cklovis pointed out in a recent, informative post, home mining only makes up 15% of the current network hashrate. Now take out the group of miners who don't live in the Article Circle, 3rd World countries or the Pacific Northwest and what is left?

Now look into the future a bit. Difficulty will continue to rise (albeit, more slowly) but electricity will certainly not get cheaper for the home miner. Hardware efficiency may marginally improve but it won't likely offset the difficulty rise. And even now without super-cheap electricity, none of the current generation of cutting edge miners will ever earn a positive ROI. And with every efficiency increase, massive mining operations will jump in ahead of home miners with dozens of PHs of new equipment. This will not change, guaranteed!

If home mining isn't completely dead yet, it will soon be time to pull the plug and let it slide into darkness.

I am lucky enough its gotten cold. That helps to be able to use cold air that is truly free, just a fan helping it circulate.

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Quote from: notlist3d on October 17, 2014, 08:25:35 PM

Quote from: xstr8guy on October 17, 2014, 07:27:41 PM

There won't be an S5 available for retail sale, in my opinion. If BitMain develops an S5, they'll stock their DCs with them and if you're lucky they offer some cloudmining up for sale. But most likely it will be just another massive private mining operation.

Home mining is dead. But don't lemme stop ya'll from speculatin' & dreamin'. Wink

Mining is still alive with cheap electricity. I will agree it's no longer the 3 month roi guarentee. At one time I could be sure to be in profit at 90 days, now my calculations are going longer. I think Bitmain will continue to sell to public as it is a benefit for both, with them selling public the gear is cheaper for them as everything is in bigger quantity.

I do agree there will be a day when most are "cloud mining". As i like hardware i hope it is still a little ways away. Cloud mining is getting cheaper though and will continue to be more and more attractive.

Maybe I'm a month or two premature with my "home mining is dead" prediction. I'm still mining at home with 10THs. But I'm just breaking even after electricity costs at .12kWh. Maybe I should state it like this... Home mining is dead within 60 days for 95% of the current home miners.

As cklovis pointed out in a recent, informative post, home mining only makes up 15% of the current network hashrate. Now take out the group of miners who don't live in the Article Circle, 3rd World countries or the Pacific Northwest and what is left?

Now look into the future a bit. Difficulty will continue to rise (albeit, more slowly) but electricity will certainly not get cheaper for the home miner. Hardware efficiency may marginally improve but it won't likely offset the difficulty rise. And even now without super-cheap electricity, none of the current generation of cutting edge miners will ever earn a positive ROI. And with every efficiency increase, massive mining operations will jump in ahead of home miners with dozens of PHs of new equipment. This will not change, guaranteed!

If home mining isn't completely dead yet, it will soon be time to pull the plug and let it slide into darkness.

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Quote from: chopstick on October 17, 2014, 01:44:30 PM

I'm waiting for the 10TH miners for $500 to come out.

What do you guys think, like a year from now?

Probably year and a half honestly with power/price has been.

i tend to agree. i don't we will see a miner like that for some time. the s2 didn't last very long on the market (bitmain site) at all, people did not like the power hungry miner. i hope manufacturers can master the efficiency, i would like to see 1 Th/s at 300 watts.

Previously there was some news saying some germany company come out with 1TH/s at 200 watts only... But they are still in development stage...

And if they are successful with their design, they'll build thousands of units and deploy them in their own private mining operation and difficulty will skyrocket again.

Maybe they'll sell some at retail to hapless home miners at an inflated price that will never make a profit. Wink

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