I say s5 is ready and is above 20nm process tehnology
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You guys dream and take numbers out of your ass
I say s5 is ready and is above 20nm process tehnology
I say s5 is ready and is above 20nm process tehnology
I contacted Bitmain for release date and they said "soon."
I hope it is released before 12/31.
I hope it is released before 12/31.
They said "soon" since last month...
I personally have good faith in Bitmain, but I don't think there will be huge leap in S5.
Difficulty dropped for the first time in last two years and it seems that mining "arm race" are following the Moore's law, too.
I think that's why S5 release is being delayed and I suppose L1 is going through the same thing.
I contacted Bitmain for release date and they said "soon."
I hope it is released before 12/31.
I hope it is released before 12/31.
They said "soon" since last month...
I contacted Bitmain for release date and they said "soon."
I hope it is released before 12/31.
I hope it is released before 12/31.
So if 16FF+ is 5-6 times more efficient then 28HMP, we can expected 500% jump of difficulty until end of 2015.
It all depends on how many new equipment arrives which depends to manufacturers and the price of BTC, it could be 100% more only if there is not a lot of new equipment available and the price of BTC doesn't go up but it could be up to 1000% or more with other circumstances.
If new miners 16FF+ show up sooner or later they will replace all older miners. Look at Antminer S1, appeared a year ago and now can serve only as a heater because its profitability is below zero. The same fate awaits all current miners. If we want stay and mine we all will have to replace our miners to newer model.
So if 16FF+ is 5-6 times more efficient then 28HMP, we can expected 500% jump of difficulty until end of 2015.
It all depends on how many new equipment arrives which depends to manufacturers and the price of BTC, it could be 100% more only if there is not a lot of new equipment available and the price of BTC doesn't go up but it could be up to 1000% or more with other circumstances.
We all need more hashing power at a lower wattage and for a lower price, but I don't think we'll see that anytime soon.
Nope, we definitly dont need that. The more powerfull miners are the smaller pices of cake goes to small miners. 
It should be interesting to see what they do this year. We all need more hashing power at a lower wattage and for a lower price, but I don't think we'll see that anytime soon. The price of power keeps going up and difficulty is still too high, even with it leveling out a bit. Bitmain is pretty awesome though 
Well some 16nm chips would be nice for the power consumption if they can half the current ghs/w to .3.
We just have to see if the companies will deliver that kind of stuff...
It should be interesting to see what they do this year. We all need more hashing power at a lower wattage and for a lower price, but I don't think we'll see that anytime soon. The price of power keeps going up and difficulty is still too high, even with it leveling out a bit. Bitmain is pretty awesome though
So if 16FF+ is 5-6 times more efficient then 28HMP, we can expected 500% jump of difficulty until end of 2015.
It depends on the Bitcoin price as well. The hash rate is a bit too high right now for the current price. Miners are struggling to both cover overhead and reinvest. And that's before they take out some money for themselves. If the price goes drastically up the increase will be higher than 500%. But we are already seeing that companies have to build new facilities rather than using old industrial estates, so that is a limiting factor. You can find a lot of closed down factories and warehouses, but the electricity needs to be dirt cheap and the local grid needs to be able to carry tens of MW to the facility. If you have to upgrade the local grid to utilize an existing location the price may quickly surpass that of simply building a custom facility where the grid already has surplus capacity. So then you have to convince your investors that you have to invest tens of millions to build this new facility to mine an asset whose price is notoriously unstable + the uncertainty of difficulty.
2015 will be an interesting year.
So if 16FF+ is 5-6 times more efficient then 28HMP, we can expected 500% jump of difficulty until end of 2015.
Yea doing some research and it does sound like everyone is moving past the 20nm and going with the 16nm FinFet. Spondoolies CEO already said they are skipping 20nm but it will be a while before they release the 16nm, because they have a new efficient 28nm coming out soon they say can compete with KNC's 16nm Solar and they also mentioned the price of the 16nm chips to be double that of 28nm and there manufacturing process is still not very mature meaning a higher likelihood of producing duds.
"TSMC's 16FF+ (FinFET Plus) technology can provide above 65 percent higher speed, around 2 times the density, or 70 percent less power than its 28HPM technology. "
http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/16nm.htm
Doing the math of the higher speed and power saving if you equated that into what a current S4 (number of chips) offers you would have 3.3TH/s @ 420W = 0.12W/GH/s. With that kind of power saving you could produce 11TH/s @ 1400W.
"TSMC's 16FF+ (FinFET Plus) technology can provide above 65 percent higher speed, around 2 times the density, or 70 percent less power than its 28HPM technology. "
http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/16nm.htm
Doing the math of the higher speed and power saving if you equated that into what a current S4 (number of chips) offers you would have 3.3TH/s @ 420W = 0.12W/GH/s. With that kind of power saving you could produce 11TH/s @ 1400W.
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Yea doing some research and it does sound like everyone is moving past the 20nm and going with the 16nm FinFet. Spondoolies CEO already said they are skipping 20nm but it will be a while before they release the 16nm, because they have a new efficient 28nm coming out soon they say can compete with KNC's 16nm Solar and they also mentioned the price of the 16nm chips to be double that of 28nm and there manufacturing process is still not very mature meaning a higher likelihood of producing duds.
"TSMC's 16FF+ (FinFET Plus) technology can provide above 65 percent higher speed, around 2 times the density, or 70 percent less power than its 28HPM technology. "
http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/16nm.htm
Doing the math of the higher speed and power saving if you equated that into what a current S4 (number of chips) offers you would have 3.3TH/s @ 420W = 0.12W/GH/s. With that kind of power saving you could produce 11TH/s @ 1400W.
"TSMC's 16FF+ (FinFET Plus) technology can provide above 65 percent higher speed, around 2 times the density, or 70 percent less power than its 28HPM technology. "
http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/16nm.htm
Doing the math of the higher speed and power saving if you equated that into what a current S4 (number of chips) offers you would have 3.3TH/s @ 420W = 0.12W/GH/s. With that kind of power saving you could produce 11TH/s @ 1400W.
They might use 16nm chip for S5 and push down the watt per gh/s down to like 0.2.
If they use 14nm/16NM FinFet then we won't have to deal with those swedish KnC Fudges, or risk having the building torched by some super heated Spondoolies Tech rig.
IMO this is too soon for that. It may be likelier that this is just a revised 28nm design, such as using larger cores or multi-cored subrates (like a hashfast chip). This sort of redesign would allow for small changes to improve where unexpected losses were seen in gen1. (similar to the asicminer BE300 being an improved 28nm design on the 28nm BE200)
If i had to guess, a 0.3w (power-saving mode) to 0.5w (turbo mode) chip is likely. Alternatively, the S5 might just use more of the 28nm chip undervolted slightly inside an S3-sized enclosure; similar to how the S4 uses 5xS3 worth of chips, but all undervolted slightly for a ~0.1w/GH improvement on power use (ie: down to 0.6-0.7w/GH to compete with the spondoolies Sp20)
Well they are obviously not going to launch on the 15th of November so maybe the project changed when they saw what the competition are working with. I agree, however, that if they release it within the next month it is unlikely to be 14nm/16nm FinFet. I really hope they stick to many smaller chips rather than fewer larger chips. The larger chips are more difficult to make power efficient, to cool, and when one is wonky the performance drop is substantial.
They might use 16nm chip for S5 and push down the watt per gh/s down to like 0.2.
If they use 14nm/16NM FinFet then we won't have to deal with those swedish KnC Fudges, or risk having the building torched by some super heated Spondoolies Tech rig.
I don't think you can blame SP for the building fire.... they build a quality product.
And I would wait on bitmain vs ever using KnC.
Amen to that!
They might use 16nm chip for S5 and push down the watt per gh/s down to like 0.2.
If they use 14nm/16NM FinFet then we won't have to deal with those swedish KnC Fudges, or risk having the building torched by some super heated Spondoolies Tech rig.
IMO this is too soon for that. It may be likelier that this is just a revised 28nm design, such as using larger cores or multi-cored subrates (like a hashfast chip). This sort of redesign would allow for small changes to improve where unexpected losses were seen in gen1. (similar to the asicminer BE300 being an improved 28nm design on the 28nm BE200)
If i had to guess, a 0.3w (power-saving mode) to 0.5w (turbo mode) chip is likely. Alternatively, the S5 might just use more of the 28nm chip undervolted slightly inside an S3-sized enclosure; similar to how the S4 uses 5xS3 worth of chips, but all undervolted slightly for a ~0.1w/GH improvement on power use (ie: down to 0.6-0.7w/GH to compete with the spondoolies Sp20)
If i had to speculate, I would guess they will go with a 20nm technology. I don't even know if Hashcoins is legit, but they are announcing a January 2015 release of the "Uranus" which promises 6TH/s @ 1600W (0.26W/GH) using 20nm technology.
https://www.hashcoins.com/product/hashcoins-uranus/
I found this miner on this wiki that is not completely up to date..
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_Hardware_Comparison
https://www.hashcoins.com/product/hashcoins-uranus/
I found this miner on this wiki that is not completely up to date..
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_Hardware_Comparison
They might use 16nm chip for S5 and push down the watt per gh/s down to like 0.2.
If they use 14nm/16NM FinFet then we won't have to deal with those swedish KnC Fudges, or risk having the building torched by some super heated Spondoolies Tech rig.
I don't think you can blame SP for the building fire.... they build a quality product.
And I would wait on bitmain vs ever using KnC.
They might use 16nm chip for S5 and push down the watt per gh/s down to like 0.2.
If they use 14nm/16NM FinFet then we won't have to deal with those swedish KnC Fudges, or risk having the building torched by some super heated Spondoolies Tech rig.
I just received an S4 yesterday from Bitmain and it was brand new, opened it up to verify nothing unseated from the flight and it was brand new inside as far as I can tell. Either it is brand new or it's never been scratched and they blew it out really good from when it was used last
They probably used the S4 before starting selling them but they sell new ones.
It will be interesting to buy new equipment when we can expect not to have far better equipment coming out in the near future. We will be able to mine the equipment with a stable difficulty.
at what level of difficulty do you suspect we will have reached by that time?
could be close to 100billion if price rises alongwith?
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