Topic: [Discussion] Bitcointalk Community Awards 🏆 - page 31. (Read 20111 times)

I'm not sure exactly, but we have seen a  similar situation before. For example, a April fools joke where we were jokingly selling Bitcointalk merch. However, it was implemented a little differently, he basically took back all merit that was spent in that thread. I'm sure if that's possible, it's likely that he could implement it not to show merit, or even not allow it to be sent if a url matches a certain one. I'm not exactly sure the implementation of merit on the forum, so that's just speculation on my end. I'm not even saying theymos would do it if it was possible, but I think it could be worth asking potentially. At the end of the day it's an unofficial event, and the amount of merit being distributed is rather small, so on that side of things he probably doesn't see the problem. I'm coming at it from a integrity of a vote point of view, which again isn't really his issue. Although, as suggested before I like the idea of the event, I think it promotes good habits within the community, and could prove beneficial in getting the community a little more tight knitted, which I do believe we've lost over the years.

Could do that, although that would likely result in a lot of users not actually understanding or reading it, and having their vote not counted, which could amount up. I doubt everyone has read the entirety of that original post. Whether we put that down to their problem is another thing.

Like I said before, there's definitely ways to cheat pretty much any voting system we implemented, the only way to totally prevent that would be to prevent merit being sent in that thread, but who knows some users might try to bypass that on other threads. However, I'm not sure its a problem with the users meriting those that vote for them itself, its a problem for voting integrity that some users have caught onto that, abuse it to get merit, which artificially inflates certain users votes.

I'd just like to think that this event isn't ruined year on year, from this type of influence that occurs. I want to see those voted in genuinely voted in based on merit (not forum merit ). That isn't perfect by itself, and would be hard to get to that point, but in a ideal situation, users wouldn't be voting because they think they can earn merit.

There's also other issues which we definitely can't mitigate, users might vote for x because they're trying to gain trust off of them, you know there'll always be problems with things like this, I just think there's a way to prevent much of the merit issues, I just don't know if theymos can implement it in a easy way, and whether or not he thinks it's necessary.

When you say limit, do you think the forum software allows for modifications where theymos could "blacklist" a specific thread, so to speak, and make it impossible for anyone to send merits for posts in that blacklisted thread? If that is possible and theymos cared about doing that because he feels this whole thing is a problem, that could be done in the future. Personally, I don't think he cares.

It's even easier to not have the admins involved at all and make the rule sound something like this: Any member voted in isn't allowed to merit the person who voted for them. For each merit sent, they will be deducted the corresponding number of points when announcing the winners. So if you feel like meriting your voters, sure go ahead. But 10 merits sent to them results in 10 points being deducted from you in the total count.

But if you wanted to cheat, you could easily bypass that as well. You merit some other post of your voter, just not the one where they voted for you. Unfortunately, there isn't a perfect system.

Go boy! For you and yours! I believe it is not an easy situation.
I think the guys here on the forum will be hoping that everything goes for the best.
We hope things calm down as soon as possible!

I don't think many users are accusing others of voting solely based on the fact that they might get merit. Although, I think it has been made quite clear that some are looking to earn merit that way. I'm definitely not questioning the integrity of the user they've voted for, I don't think that's the issue here as a lot of them are actually pretty respectable users, and probably do deserve to get voted in. In my mind you vote for who you want to vote for, I just think the current implementation has room for abuse, and those that are giving out merit aren't necessarily doing it for more votes, its just something that some users have caught onto, and are looking to exploit.

I don't think there needs to be any action taken against anyone voting or anyone meriting for votes, I don't think that's something that even needs any in depth discussion, I just think in order for the event not to be ruined, and made as fair as possible, possibly the admins could limit merit in the thread in future events. I'm not sure that they would do that, I just see that as a solution. By no means if the competition or event official, but I do think it could actually prove beneficial to the forum in the long run. If it becomes a regular event, and is sponsored every year by someone then that could be the motivation for some users to improve on the forum, and personally regardless of the motive I'm in support of that.

I like to stay away from drama and not get myself involved in such contests. I didn't vote last year. I forgot, but maybe I wouldn't have even if I didn't forget. This year I voted because I got tagged by icopress, so I put that on my to-do list. Had I known we would be having this conversation, I would have stayed clear. I stand by what I said previously. If I think that member X is the best in that particular category, I would vote for that user. Him or her meriting people wouldn't change that. The contributions to the forum don't change with those merits. For example, If I knew that you had the same or better results as the user who merited my post, I would put your name instead.   

Why would I participate in something I don't like if my vote can't change the behavior of those who don't mind doing anything to reach their goal? Besides, I'm not so desperate to get a merit...

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I just noticed that a lot of profiles are completely unknown to me, but this is somewhat understandable if they are active in local or altcoins boards that I personally do not visit. The question is what attracted them to give their vote, guaranteed merit or is there additional motivation in the background...

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As I have already commented on another topic, for some the forum is a job, for others a place where they spend part of their free time, learn something, help others if they can and in the end maybe earn something. But given the current situation in the East, our keyboard warrior may soon have to replace his keyboard with a completely different tool.

Prio 1: stay safe!

Guys .... you will discuss everything here for now, and I will join the discussion a little later. ^{[I have a war started 50 kilometers away from me].}

I came up with this idea:

It really seems strange to see candidates giving merit to those who vote for them. But as it is impossible to block attribution of merits in a specific topic, only the common sense of each user remains. Perhaps you could do it at the end of the poll, rather than during the poll, to try to avoid becoming an influencer.

The only alternative would be for the votes to be secret, with the OP having to accept the DM votes. But that would be crazy for him to manage all the votes and it would take up a lot of time.

Unfortunately, I don't think there's much the OP can do. Just trust the common sense and honesty of other users.
Either way, that's not what will tarnish this initiative, which has as its main objective to animate the community and involve us all. 

Yeah, I imagine it's pretty annoying especially for those in the running of winning something. I bet it could be quite easily done to measure the effect of the merit awarding, since there is definitely a reoccurrence of certain users since they have been giving merit, which didn't seem to be in the running at the very start. Although, that could just be exposure, and natural variation, so it probably wouldn't prove much at all. Although, I do believe the OP has the ability to not include anyone's votes at their discretion.

Don't worry, you only have to beg for forgiveness from your "primary partner".

Was I supposed to be cycling merit and no one told me? My bad. I'll make sure to beg Foxpup for forgiveness. Well, beg even more than usual

Well, technically it's not the same.. and it certainly isn't going to feel the same to the person mistakenly sending it.. but to a morally grounded person receiving it, I'd feel the same way on returning 1K as I would 250K.. if it's not my coin, it's not my coin, and I'd need to send it back.

Regardless, these acts should probably be acknowledged when the amounts are this high, while being wary that we could then have a rash of seemingly altruistic users sending and returning as much BTC as they can to their alts in an effort to gain trust/reputation. Although, I'd have to doubt any of them have 39BTC and would be willing to lose the fees, but who knows.

The problem seems enough to be annoying.

I try to avoid popularity contests because, well, I'm not very good at being popular. I'm not as active with posting, I don't have alts to fluff myself up, and seeing the merit'ing this year, I wouldn't have enough merit to play the 'reward me if I vote for you' games with the merit seekers.. popularity perks of being a merit source, I guess. *shrug*


Nonetheless, I do appreciate the love & recognition I've seen for myself, and BPIP, even if 1 or 2 looked like possibly copy/paste!, but there are enough votes from people I see from legit forum members, who certainly need no merit from me to solicit a vote.. so thank you all, much appreciated.

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Since all these votes are highly subjective, I don't think that's injustice at all, to not nominate someone who you think is doing a wrong thing by giving merits in exchange for votes.


Well, we know for a long time that he has no shame so this is just business as usual.


Yes pls.

I like this idea very much, but let's not talk about it in public anymore, keep it a top secret and wait until voting ends.
Let them spend all their merits and dream how they will spend their rewards 
This will be the first anticorruption law of icopress dynasty.

These copy-pasting monkeys should be banned for plagiarism

This is a funny picture - corrupted meritsourcers gives merits to their noname voters who have never known before

May I suggest to use your vote to counter the things you don't like?

When it comes to money and rewards, some don't seem to be reluctant to draw attention to themselves no matter how wrong it may seem in other people's eyes. In this particular case, merits are used as motivation and reward for those who vote, and it is not surprising that a considerable number of voters are not known to me personally, and I believe others who are active in the forum every day.


I've also noticed that some are simply copying what is in the posts above, or may have received private instructions on how to vote - although I have no doubt that there are a very large number of alt accounts in all of this.


Speaking of immoral things, I think it is not at all appropriate to open such a topic in the Meta board at a time when voting is underway, but as I have already written, some will do everything to win. In addition, personal achievements are shared on the Reputation board - and no one even dared to report that topic.

However, for now I have decided not to vote and I think it will stay that way - there are too many things I don't like and too much hypocrisy, not to use some harder words.

This is a private contest which organized by private sponsors. Their competition - their private rules
What justice are you talking about?

As usual, all winners have already been determined in advance. These are the primary partners of Sportsbet, CryptioS, ChipMixer & BestChange (Ratimov, nutildah, suchmoon, foxpup & others henchmens)

Pure commercial performance, not a fair social-oriented contest