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Quote from: logfiles on December 08, 2023, 06:48:51 PM

I think crypto casinos are going to be banned next or paid signatures all together. This is a soft but progressive ban.

theymos expects that there will be no new restrictions for some time, but he himself is not sure what will happen:

Quote from: theymos on December 01, 2023, 09:01:03 AM

I don't anticipate the need for major new restrictions in the next couple of years, but it could indeed happen.

In the case of casinos I think it will depend: following the trajectory of the last few years, if they ask for KYC upon registration and collaborate passing data to the states that require it, which would surely imply having to change the current licenses of Caribbean countries for other more solid ones, I don't think there will be problems with them. But then they will have lost most of their attractiveness, and I don't think they will have so much to invest in advertising in the forum.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on December 08, 2023, 10:11:50 AM

Quote from: pawel7777 on December 07, 2023, 12:10:01 PM

On the plus side, as you posted in the coinomize signature thread, some mixer campaigns are starting moving to altcointalk, so it's not like they're gone forever. Hopefully the trend continues and all mixers would move there (together with the participants), creating more traffic and more competition, driving pay rates up.

I saw the thread on Altcointalks, their payrate is much lower than what was offered on bitcointalk. The top quality posters who were in such campaigns will think twice over going there to promote it unless the pay is compensated in some other form. I am sure the managers are doing well managing this and since I am not willing to add in another account to that forum, I will stay here and focus on the issues on this forum. Cheesy

Not sure how some of the members can manage two forums at the same time. Kudos to those who can! Roll Eyes

For me, it was a total waste of money and time promoting on that forum. It's likely not effective to promote on that website. AltcoinTalk is just a copycat of BitcoinTalk and we can say that AltcoinTalk is full of garbage posts. Moderators there are not getting paid unlike here in BitcoinTalk where being a moderator will get you some bag.

But wait, they're having a promotion since they know that some users will move to AltcoinTalk. The promotion states that if you're a Hero Member here you'll also be a Hero Member on AltcoinTalk once you create an account.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on December 08, 2023, 10:11:50 AM

I saw the thread on Altcointalks, their payrate is much lower than what was offered on bitcointalk. The top quality posters who were in such campaigns will think twice over going there to promote it unless the pay is compensated in some other form. I am sure the managers are doing well managing this and since I am not willing to add in another account to that forum, I will stay here and focus on the issues on this forum. Cheesy

Not sure how some of the members can manage two forums at the same time. Kudos to those who can! Roll Eyes

Payrates are not constant and they will be changing though. If all mixer campaigns move in there together with participants, that would bump up the traffic and activity, which could lead to higher payrates in the future. There will also be more competition between mixers, which now don't have that many places left they could advertise on.
And when more btctalk members are aware they could "teleport" their ranks to altcointalk and apply for extra campaigns to boost up their earnings, the traffic and payrates could also go up.

From participants' perspective, even if the payrates are lower, they could still apply for whatever campaigns are left on btctalk. Definitely better than not having any income.

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Quote from: logfiles on December 08, 2023, 06:48:51 PM

Now we have an imminent ban of Mixer related signatures... What next?

I think crypto casinos are going to be banned next or paid signatures all together. This is a soft but progressive ban.

Yeah, it seems that we're slowly moving into this direction. And probably nobody will be very surprised if promoting gambling websites or signatures campaigns will be banned one day. Seems that theymos want to get rid of any potential headache and problems to deal with. It's understandable, probably many of us would act same in his place, but still, it's sad.

Quote from: Plaguedeath on December 08, 2023, 11:21:39 PM

The only way for crypto casinos to be banned is when OFAC or SEC consider them as a threat, but I think it's only relate to smart contract casino where they don't ask KYC. For crypto casino which has KYC regulation, I believe they will be safe.

The forum lose it's stance against no KYC, so the next is relate to privacy.

It's not just about OFAC, SEC and fact that they have KYC makes them legitimate. For example, there might be problems related with licenses. In jurisdiction where I live, all casinos which are promoted on Bitcointalk can be considered as illegal because they don't have license issued in my country. There might be similar things in other countries. So, it's possible that various governments can start acting against Bitcointalk, like blocking access to forum.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on December 08, 2023, 11:21:39 PM

Mixer is always become a bad actor for government, that's why theymos want to ban mixer advertisement.

The only way for crypto casinos to be banned is when OFAC or SEC consider them as a threat, but I think it's only relate to smart contract casino where they don't ask KYC. For crypto casino which has KYC regulation, I believe they will be safe.

The forum lose it's stance against no KYC, so the next is relate to privacy.

Yes because with the existence of a mixer there are millions of dollars that are made or processed from various crime funds even though some mixers have implemented a ban on illegal transactions but for the government if a mixer platform has been caught then all mixers will be labeled bad by the government.

For casinos with smart contracts, it is not popular although I don't know if there will be more developments later, but indeed casinos that have regulations and licenses from the government, casinos will select more strictly from the funds received from each user who is deposited.

So I don't believe casinos will become an illegal act for money laundering.

In the future privacy will be lost, and don't be surprised if KYC will come stricter. Cheesy

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Quote from: logfiles on December 08, 2023, 06:48:51 PM

Now we have an imminent ban of Mixer related signatures... What next?

I think crypto casinos are going to be banned next or paid signatures all together. This is a soft but progressive ban.

Mixer is always become a bad actor for government, that's why theymos want to ban mixer advertisement.

The only way for crypto casinos to be banned is when OFAC or SEC consider them as a threat, but I think it's only relate to smart contract casino where they don't ask KYC. For crypto casino which has KYC regulation, I believe they will be safe.

The forum lose it's stance against no KYC, so the next is relate to privacy.

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Quote from: examplens on December 08, 2023, 02:04:16 PM

Everything looks like a gentle introduction to KYC on the forum and limits it to only KYC services. Don't be surprised if you soon see a ban on advertising for NO-KYC exchanges, and even casinos.

Like, we didn't see this coming, but it has sort of been a slow trend being introduced by admin.

First, he stopped advertising services on via the weekly forum slots out of know where.

And then he stopped Staff members from wearing Mixer related Signatures

Now we have an imminent ban of Mixer related signatures... What next?

I think crypto casinos are going to be banned next or paid signatures all together. This is a soft but progressive ban.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on December 08, 2023, 10:11:50 AM

I saw the thread on Altcointalks, their payrate is much lower than what was offered on bitcointalk. The top quality posters who were in such campaigns will think twice over going there to promote it unless the pay is compensated in some other form. I am sure the managers are doing well managing this and since I am not willing to add in another account to that forum, I will stay here and focus on the issues on this forum. Cheesy

Not sure how some of the members can manage two forums at the same time. Kudos to those who can! Roll Eyes

The payrate is probably determined based on activity and forum attendance. If 4 out of 8 mixer signature campaigns move there, it will definitely cause more activity on the Altt forum. Greater activity and attendance cause an increase in the payment rate in campaigns. The opposite can happen to the Bitcointalk forum, because let's not lie, at least 50% of the traffic here is thanks to signature campaigns.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on December 01, 2023, 06:44:39 PM

This sucks big time. Signature campaigns will be effectively limited to casinos.

Not only casinos. There are also exchanges that advertise on the forum, such as Best Change or eXch.cx, although they advertise much less than casinos.

Everything looks like a gentle introduction to KYC on the forum and limits it to only KYC services. Don't be surprised if you soon see a ban on advertising for NO-KYC exchanges, and even casinos.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on December 08, 2023, 10:11:50 AM

I saw the thread on Altcointalks, their payrate is much lower than what was offered on bitcointalk. The top quality posters who were in such campaigns will think twice over going there to promote it unless the pay is compensated in some other form. I am sure the managers are doing well managing this and since I am not willing to add in another account to that forum, I will stay here and focus on the issues on this forum. Cheesy

Not sure how some of the members can manage two forums at the same time. Kudos to those who can!

Aha, emphasis on the bolded bit because it's probably for those who can post a lot -- assuming they also have a signature campaign on bitcointalk. In addition, some fellas are also living somewhere with a much lower purchasing power so the pay rate won't be half as bad for something you do on the side.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on December 07, 2023, 12:10:01 PM

On the plus side, as you posted in the coinomize signature thread, some mixer campaigns are starting moving to altcointalk, so it's not like they're gone forever. Hopefully the trend continues and all mixers would move there (together with the participants), creating more traffic and more competition, driving pay rates up.

I saw the thread on Altcointalks, their payrate is much lower than what was offered on bitcointalk. The top quality posters who were in such campaigns will think twice over going there to promote it unless the pay is compensated in some other form. I am sure the managers are doing well managing this and since I am not willing to add in another account to that forum, I will stay here and focus on the issues on this forum. Cheesy

Not sure how some of the members can manage two forums at the same time. Kudos to those who can! Roll Eyes

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Quote from: snipie on December 03, 2023, 04:52:37 PM

since "Mixers will no longer be allowed after Jan 1" 2024 according to theymos, I think it would be better to remove these services from the table to avoid advertising them indirectly and forward Bitcointalkers or other people to them until the ban effect takes place.

I don't mind removing it this early if Mitchell and most users want it removed, but i'd rather let them have their final few weeks in the overview thread when they'll be removed for good from the forum.

Also, it might still help others get a new temporary campaign when a few of the mixer campaigns recently increased their budget and pay rates.

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Quote from: salad daging on December 03, 2023, 12:37:18 PM

I am thinking about a BTC to ETH or BTC to XMR type of Swap service with different features, since the mixer is no longer there then it is likely that the service will develop, but we never know what will happen in the future unless we believe there will be better growth and they can return to advertising on the forum to keep marketing here.

That would effectively be an exchange, not mixer. If it was advertised as a mixer or had a mixing feature, it would be banned as well. From the perspective of someone who wants to make his bitcoins untraceable, using exchange is not good enough as it's not clear whether the owners will keep records of transfers etc.
It could work if such exchange was 100% anonymous and put emphasis on privacy being their main goal.

On the plus side, as you posted in the coinomize signature thread, some mixer campaigns are starting moving to altcointalk, so it's not like they're gone forever. Hopefully the trend continues and all mixers would move there (together with the participants), creating more traffic and more competition, driving pay rates up.

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Quote from: Stalker22 on December 02, 2023, 02:13:58 PM

As far as mixer campaigns, I am sure some other kind of services will pop up to take their place. Maybe well see more exchanges advertised on the forum, or who knows maybe some new type of service altogether. I am hopeful we will continue to see all kinds of interesting things happening and some new services promoting on the forum.

I am thinking about a BTC to ETH or BTC to XMR type of Swap service with different features, since the mixer is no longer there then it is likely that the service will develop, but we never know what will happen in the future unless we believe there will be better growth and they can return to advertising on the forum to keep marketing here.

I see so far centralized exchange advertising is still very rare unless they come up with a service like mixer but with slightly different features.

This is just my opinion. Cheesy

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There will be a huge drop in campaigns, those quality posters who do not want to be under casinos who pay less, or do not have any campaign to apply will likely open a thread to offer their signature space, we don't know what's in store for the forum this coming 2024 but I believe the signature managers will play a major factor in convincing the project owners to try signature campaign to maximize their advertisement.
Maybe we will see more new projects or new industries utilizing the popularity of Bitcointalk's presence in the search engine.

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Quote from: salad daging on December 02, 2023, 01:16:20 PM

That means simultaneously there are 8 campaigns that will disappear from next January 1 and there will be no more advertisements about the mixer, I'm not sure a little forum activity will decrease even if they don't advertise it and I'm sure someday there will be campaigns that will come again, maybe after the mixer there is no more casino and it grows on the forum?

Even though the admin said there is no demand from any party about him having to take his decision even though it is hard, I think the best way is to take it. Wink

Man, somehow I didn't knew that we have so many mixer campaigns here, I thought that there is maybe 2-3 currently active. That's a lot. For long time already, gambling campaigns were most frequent here, now when mixer campaigns will disappear, users will have much less options to pick what to advertise. I know that some users made decision not advertise gambling websites because in their opinion it's unethical or they religious beliefs don't allow them to do it.
I just hope that crypot gambling websites won't become new governments target after mixers.

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I don't know why I expected such move from forums admin. Theymos has enough problems to deal with every day and the last thing they want to see a service that is promoting something that could be linked to illegal activities or even worse in this case..
Mixers advertisements dropped significantly after the closure of Bitmixer until the first days of Chipmixer. This time it will be forever for mixerd.
I think these services will continue to exist even though there is a ban to talk about it here in a direct manner.
For the people who will be campain-less, I think their number all together will be less than Bitmixer and Yobit ones. They will find another thing to do and the mixer that will close, it might return with a new idea.

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Quote from: salad daging on December 02, 2023, 01:16:20 PM

That means simultaneously there are 8 campaigns that will disappear from next January 1 and there will be no more advertisements about the mixer, I'm not sure a little forum activity will decrease even if they don't advertise it and I'm sure someday there will be campaigns that will come again, maybe after the mixer there is no more casino and it grows on the forum?

I do not think we will see a drop in forum activity even though the mixer campaigns ended. We still got other signature campaigns going, some with even higher post quotas that just started like Bitvest and Eleoncoin. As far as mixer campaigns, I am sure some other kind of services will pop up to take their place. Maybe well see more exchanges advertised on the forum, or who knows maybe some new type of service altogether. I am hopeful we will continue to see all kinds of interesting things happening and some new services promoting on the forum.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on December 01, 2023, 06:44:39 PM

This sucks big time. Signature campaigns will be effectively limited to casinos. And the less campaigns there are, the less activity on the forum, which makes it less attractive to advertisers. A down-spiral.
I think it's a bit of an overkill, but I understand there must be a pretty big risk for the admins.

That means simultaneously there are 8 campaigns that will disappear from next January 1 and there will be no more advertisements about the mixer, I'm not sure a little forum activity will decrease even if they don't advertise it and I'm sure someday there will be campaigns that will come again, maybe after the mixer there is no more casino and it grows on the forum?

Even though the admin said there is no demand from any party about him having to take his decision even though it is hard, I think the best way is to take it. Wink

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Quote from: pawel7777 on December 01, 2023, 06:44:39 PM

This sucks big time. Signature campaigns will be effectively limited to casinos.

Not only casinos. There are also exchanges that advertise on the forum, such as Best Change or eXch.cx, although they advertise much less than casinos.

For January I would expect a drop in available signature campaigns, but I think that little by little there will be a reorganization, and maybe some casinos and exchanges will take the opportunity to advertise more, and also other services that are not advertised now or advertised currently as mixers that will be reinvented to meet the new rules, such as bitcoin to monero exchangers or non custodial wallets with coinjoin.

Quote from: theymos on December 01, 2023, 05:45:25 AM

Examples of things that are not banned mixers include exchangers (unless they have a mixing function), CoinJoin-supporting non-custodial wallets, and Monero.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on December 01, 2023, 06:44:39 PM

This sucks big time. Signature campaigns will be effectively limited to casinos. And the less campaigns there are, the less activity on the forum, which makes it less attractive to advertisers. A down-spiral.
I think it's a bit of an overkill, but I understand there must be a pretty big risk for the admins.

I happen to believe that there is a possibility of new advertisements appearing. There is room for this to happen, and it seems to me that it will happen.

Now, in the initial phase, we will see the remuneration value drop, as there are many users without a campaign.

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