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Quote from: PX-Z on March 30, 2023, 06:55:38 PM

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Makes sense but the question still stands: why would he ban forum staff from advertising mixing services? Obviously there must have been some legal concerns, so the question is, if those concerns are not applicable to the forum users as well.
It's possible that he was just overly cautious and that there may be some legal grey areas. My guess would be that staff can be seen as official representatives of the forum, so anything endorsed by them could be seen as officially supported by the forum (and its owner).

Theymos could be just very cautious for bitcointalk not getting directly linked and direct way promoting mixers, since staffs are directly paid by theymos — from forum funds far from getting message from a legal bodies.

I've done some digging and looks like Theymos changed his approach to advertising on the forum altogether back in Sep 2022:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60976136
He effectively ended the auction-style ad buying, quoting difficulty to determine which services are legit as the reason.

So maybe this has something to do with it.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on March 30, 2023, 02:11:38 PM

Makes sense but the question still stands: why would he ban forum staff from advertising mixing services? Obviously there must have been some legal concerns, so the question is, if those concerns are not applicable to the forum users as well.
It's possible that he was just overly cautious and that there may be some legal grey areas. My guess would be that staff can be seen as official representatives of the forum, so anything endorsed by them could be seen as officially supported by the forum (and its owner).

Theymos could be just very cautious for bitcointalk not getting directly linked and direct way promoting mixers, since staffs are directly paid by theymos — from forum funds far from getting message from a legal bodies.

Quote from: pawel7777 on March 30, 2023, 02:11:38 PM

My guess would be that staff can be seen as official representatives of the forum, so anything endorsed by them could be seen as officially supported by the forum (and its owner).

And yeah, this could be the very reason why he decided that.
Not to mention, google and facebook still accepts scam crypto ads.

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Quote from: PX-Z on March 29, 2023, 06:38:43 PM

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Now I wonder, if the staff aren't allowed to advertise such kind of services, then it is highly likely that we as forum members will eventually become restricted as well. It's just a matter of time where other mixing services will start to withdraw one-by-one Undecided

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Not until theymos publicly announce it. Until using mixers is declared as illegal by the authorities. Since its on the forum rules, of promoting illegal is not allowed then it will not be allowed.

Makes sense but the question still stands: why would he ban forum staff from advertising mixing services? Obviously there must have been some legal concerns, so the question is, if those concerns are not applicable to the forum users as well.
It's possible that he was just overly cautious and that there may be some legal grey areas. My guess would be that staff can be seen as official representatives of the forum, so anything endorsed by them could be seen as officially supported by the forum (and its owner).

Here's a link to (now locked) discussion on whether bitcointalk should ban mixer advertising with a link to a criminal complaint/affidavit against ChipMixer that has some mentions of the BitcoinTalk
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/should-the-forum-stop-advertising-mixers-5445038

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Quote from: salad daging on March 29, 2023, 10:50:34 AM

Was it from theymos statement that as administration? But I see he didn't say that, can you share here I just want to know in which post that staff should not participate in mixer campaigns.

Yes, here is the quote:

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We (staff) were asked to stop advertising mixing services.

You can read this thread where this is discussed more extensively:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/staff-were-asked-to-stop-advertising-mixing-services-5446803

It is clear that there has already been a decision by the administration to prevent the staff from participating in mixer campaigns.

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Quote from: Maus0728 on March 29, 2023, 12:09:27 PM

Now I wonder, if the staff aren't allowed to advertise such kind of services, then it is highly likely that we as forum members will eventually become restricted as well. It's just a matter of time where other mixing services will start to withdraw one-by-one Undecided

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Not until theymos publicly announce it. Until using mixers is declared as illegal by the authorities. Since its on the forum rules, of promoting illegal is not allowed then it will not be allowed.

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Quote from: Maus0728 on March 29, 2023, 12:09:27 PM

Now I wonder, if the staff aren't allowed to advertise such kind of services, then it is highly likely that we as forum members will eventually become restricted as well. It's just a matter of time where other mixing services will start to withdraw one-by-one Undecided

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Maybe, maybe not. I don't see why restricting something that is not illegal. For mixers the situation is a bit ambiguous and might be interpreted in a way (money laundering) or another (personal use, security reasons).
The way I see things is that if I am responsible for a team and their activity within the job, and I am afraid they are dealing with something that could lead to troubles then I will prohibit it within my team to avoid being inquired at some point. For the other people I am not responsible for them so I don't care.

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Quote from: salad daging on March 29, 2023, 10:50:34 AM

can you share here I just want to know in which post that staff should not participate in mixer campaigns.

You can read the whole context here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61980665

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We (staff) were asked to stop advertising mixing services.

Now I wonder, if the staff aren't allowed to advertise such kind of services, then it is highly likely that we as forum members will eventually become restricted as well. It's just a matter of time where other mixing services will start to withdraw one-by-one Undecided

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on March 29, 2023, 08:12:21 AM

Quote from: Plaguedeath on March 29, 2023, 07:15:38 AM

It's really crazy how we're seeing a lot new mixers run a signature campaigns after Chipmixer was been seized by SEC, we currently have: Coinomize, Sinbad, YoMix, Whirlwind, and MixTum. The longest mixer campaign is Sinbad since they're ran since November, 2022. Do you think there's will be a new mixer campaign comes up? maybe the longest mixer which run signature campaign can be the next Chipmixer Wink

Yes, there have been many campaigns for mixers in the forum. It seems as if there is a crazy race to win the first place. I do not know if this is a good thing for the forum or not.

Since the fall of Chipmixer, other mixers want to take that position and now only compete in campaign promotions and in some campaigns the mixer is now adding bonuses for quality posters such as YoMix which is implemented in week 12.

Whether things are good or not, we just live with them because there hasn't been a concrete decision on this matter in the forum, but what is clear is that the forum welcomes promotions related to crypto.

Quote from: yhiaali3 on March 29, 2023, 08:12:21 AM

According to what I read in one of the posts, Forum administration asked the staff team not to participate in the signature campaigns of the mixers. Perhaps there was a fear from the administration that there would be some kind of legal responsibility.

Was it from theymos statement that as administration? But I see he didn't say that, can you share here I just want to know in which post that staff should not participate in mixer campaigns.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on March 29, 2023, 07:15:38 AM

It's really crazy how we're seeing a lot new mixers run a signature campaigns after Chipmixer was been seized by SEC, we currently have: Coinomize, Sinbad, YoMix, Whirlwind, and MixTum. The longest mixer campaign is Sinbad since they're ran since November, 2022. Do you think there's will be a new mixer campaign comes up? maybe the longest mixer which run signature campaign can be the next Chipmixer Wink

Yes, there have been many campaigns for mixers in the forum. It seems as if there is a crazy race to win the first place. I do not know if this is a good thing for the forum or not.

According to what I read in one of the posts, Forum administration asked the staff team not to participate in the signature campaigns of the mixers. Perhaps there was a fear from the administration that there would be some kind of legal responsibility.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on March 29, 2023, 07:15:38 AM

It's really crazy how we're seeing a lot new mixers run a signature campaigns after Chipmixer was been seized by SEC, we currently have: Coinomize, Sinbad, YoMix, Whirlwind, and MixTum. The longest mixer campaign is Sinbad since they're ran since November, 2022. Do you think there's will be a new mixer campaign comes up? maybe the longest mixer which run signature campaign can be the next Chipmixer Wink

Not surprisingly, a large and well-known player has left the mixer market, and now many are striving to occupy a promising niche. So far, it's too early to talk about the contender for the title of the new Chipmixer. I wish at least one of these mixers replicated the duration of at least a Blender campaign.

I think it's more likely that a handful of mixers will compete for a while as the no.1 but people will have different preferences for different mixers for different reasons, and thus a handful will do well in the current environment. Personally it seemed like ChipMixer had somewhat of a monopoly on bitcointalk (at least that's the impression I got). So healthy competition will be a good thing going forward.

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By the way, against the backdrop of good conditions and payment for the new whirlwind.money mixer, there were suggestions that this was just a chipmixer restarted under a new name. Cheesy

I wouldn't be surprised to be honest. Especially if the person charged was simply the fall guy for the operation. Then it'd make sense that the devs would quickly return with a new version, new branding etc, and ideally this time slightly better opsec. I still don't really understand the point of having a clearnet site though (whether functioning as mixer or not), it's just seems like such a liability compared to having an onion-site or even I2P. The idea that some new team could build out a mixer within a couple of weeks (since ChipMixer fell) seems unlikely to me, it would have to be a big coincidence and good timing on Whirldwind's part.

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It's really crazy how we're seeing a lot new mixers run a signature campaigns after Chipmixer was been seized by SEC, we currently have: Coinomize, Sinbad, YoMix, Whirlwind, and MixTum. The longest mixer campaign is Sinbad since they're ran since November, 2022. Do you think there's will be a new mixer campaign comes up? maybe the longest mixer which run signature campaign can be the next Chipmixer Wink

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Quote from: pawel7777 on March 16, 2023, 03:24:46 PM

If not, is there any source that could be used to get the historical data to produce such stats? The official thread has been pruned with lots of old posts missing (i.e. from between 2014-2017)

You can use this thread: EVOLUTION OF SIGNATURE AD CAMPAIGNS (BEGINNING DAYS TO THE PRESENT)

The data is presented there until August 17, 2020, the rest, alas, you will have to look for yourself among a bunch of topics in the section Services. I don't know how long it can take to analyze such data, but I don't think it's worth spending time on it. In any case, one thing is clear: the coolest campaign in terms of payouts was ChipMixer, and the longest campaign in the history of the forum is Crypto.Games

Brilliant. Massive thanks.
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Quote from: logfiles on March 16, 2023, 07:27:12 PM

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SinBad and YoMix campaigns have increased their slots for some participants who have high post quality, currently Royse777 has selected some participants from Chipmixer campaigns.
It is possible that other campaigns will also add a bigger slot with the budget provided.

Livecasino.io are also considering a possibility of reshuffling the campaign and probably adding some more extra spots

Not only that Coinomize welcomes all Chipmixer customers, is this a sign that Coinomize will also add some slots and increase their budget?
But right now there hasn't been any announcement from the manager maybe they are planning it.

I think the mixer campaigns that are active right now have welcomed a lot of attendees this week because they know how important it is to them to have a subscriber who contributes greatly to the forum, and this can boost clients who want to get better results.

Quote from: Coinomize.biz on March 17, 2023, 01:42:49 AM

Coinomize is happy to welcome all Chipmixer customers

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Quote from: logfiles on March 16, 2023, 07:27:12 PM

Increasing budgets maybe in terms of increasing number of slots, but increasing pay rates because new members from a previous campaign are available? I doubt. I don't think they can do that. In fact, some members have already been taken up with the current rates.

I had increasing number of slots a bit in my mind. I think it's not worth to expect that someone can offer similar rates like Chipmixer had. Though, I'm not sure how likely to expect campaigns opening extra slots. Business is planning their budgets for longer therm and such decision would be not planned extra expenses.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 16, 2023, 06:40:04 AM

And probably most of active campaigns would like to see Chipmixer participants wearing their signatures. So, they would need to raise their budget a bit if they want some quality advertising.

Increasing budgets maybe in terms of increasing number of slots, but increasing pay rates because new members from a previous campaign are available? I doubt. I don't think they can do that. In fact, some members have already been taken up with the current rates.

Quote from: salad daging on March 16, 2023, 07:42:55 AM

SinBad and YoMix campaigns have increased their slots for some participants who have high post quality, currently Royse777 has selected some participants from Chipmixer campaigns.

It is possible that other campaigns will also add a bigger slot with the budget provided.

Livecasino.io are also considering a possibility of reshuffling the campaign and probably adding some more extra spots

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Quote from: pawel7777 on March 16, 2023, 03:24:46 PM

R.I.P. ChipMixer

What a bummer. They had probably the most prestigious signature campaign in the history of this forum.
But there's no mention of operators getting arrested, so who knows, maybe we'll see a ChipMixer 2.0 at some point...

Since the website has been seized I assume there is legal actions being taken if not already by feds to the owner(s) if they have the possibility to reach them or their funds. Even if everything was fine, I doubt there will be another service having the same name. Maybe another mixer in a different form?
Bitmixer was a good known service that was voluntarily stopped by the owner and now it is ChipMixer that was forcefully stopped and the list is long..

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What a bummer. They had probably the most prestigious signature campaign in the history of this forum.
But there's no mention of operators getting arrested, so who knows, maybe we'll see a ChipMixer 2.0 at some point...

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55 participants. ChipMixer was in 3rd place in terms of the number of slots, only the Roobet campaign (60 participants) and Duelbits campaign (112 participants) are larger. The only thing is, I don't know how many participants represent Stake campaign.

Do you guys know if anyone has ever compiled any historical stats on signature campaigns, i.e. longest running, the biggest in terms of number of participants, highest paying etc?

If not, is there any source that could be used to get the historical data to produce such stats? The official thread has been pruned with lots of old posts missing (i.e. from between 2014-2017)

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on March 16, 2023, 05:31:36 AM

However it's a good time for the other campaign to add Hero/Legendary rank slots because all of Chipmixer participants are high quality posters.

SinBad and YoMix campaigns have increased their slots for some participants who have high post quality, currently Royse777 has selected some participants from Chipmixer campaigns.

It is possible that other campaigns will also add a bigger slot with the budget provided.

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The only thing is, I don't know how many participants represent Stake campaign.

It's like the stake.com campaign is in second place after the first Duelbits with more than 100 participants, while as far as I know stake.com participants are 74 and they also still need a few more slots.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on March 16, 2023, 05:31:36 AM

It's really unfortunate to see Chipmixer campaign was ended, I think almost user in this forum have a dream to become a Chipmixer participant. However we've already see few mixer services got seized in the past, but now it's Chipmixer turn. But I will not be surprised if we will see a new mixer comes up sooner or later, it's might created by the same owner of Chipmixer.

However it's a good time for the other campaign to add Hero/Legendary rank slots because all of Chipmixer participants are high quality posters.

End of Chipmixer campaign is just consequences. It's more sad that to see what feds have done with Chipmixer. When they can take down biggest player in market, remaining mixers can't feel safe.
I don't know how many participants Chipmixer campaign had, but it was quite big campaign. And probably most of active campaigns would like to see Chipmixer participants wearing their signatures. So, they would need to raise their budget a bit if they want some quality advertising.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on March 16, 2023, 04:45:30 AM

I just found out that CM has been seized, and that consequently, the campaign has ended. I guess some of you may not have heard about it yet, so I bumped this thread which I think is the appropriate one to comment on.

ChipMixer.com has been seized.

Yes I guess everyone heard the bad news, Chipmixer was one of the best and longest running campaigns on the forum so I guess everyone is sad that the campaign ended unexpectedly.

I see this shutdown as a result of the massive campaign the US government is waging against everything that has to do with Crypto, we saw what happened with Binance and the rest of the big exchanges even the banks that deal with Crypto, then stablecoins and now it's Chipmixer's turn.

I doubt Chipmixer will be able to fix the problem and reopen the campaign because the mixers have been accused by governments of money laundering, so I don't think they will get a legal license in any country.

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