Topic: 📝[Discussion topic] Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns📝 - page 6. (Read 6467 times)

Zeusmix should be fine IMO as they don't meet the returning almost the same property rule (e.g. BTC to BTC) theymos talked about as a part what makes a mixer.

But I have a feeling the mixer accusation will continue to pop up every now and then because of the brand name lol.

If they had come as "Zeus.exchange" or "ZeusEx", would we still be speculating if it's a mixer or an exchange? I don't think so. It's simply an exchange that does not require KYC, just like exch.cx and many others. You can also test it out to confirm 

My only worry is that LE starts going after NoKYC exchanges and then admin starts banning them too from here. In a meantime, let's enjoy the present. Let enjoy the ride.

That's also comes in my mind after visiting that site. It look like a mixer IMO. Regardless Mixer or Exchange hopefully it will last like BestChanges.

A new campaign popped up today and, if I'm not mistaken, looks like it will be the highest-paying campaign out there, with a current rate for Legendary of $5 per post, max. 25/week, so up to $125/week.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/close-zeusmex-instant-cryptocurrency-exchange-signature-campaign-upto-125w-5498328
I'm happy where I am, so I'm not looking to jump ship, but it's always good to see rates going up and new businesses coming in, especially when it's an exchange and not yet another casino.
I'm completely unaware of Zeusmix, but hoping it's not a mixer in disguise and that participants/organisers won't get banned by theymos.

Yeah, that was more of a precaution move, but I don't think it was as simple as him being afraid that he could be linked to the service that is advertised here. Otherwise most services would be banned, including casinos. In the past we had some of them turning scams etc.
So the situation is probably much more nuanced, but things got serious when one of the mixers turned out to be ran by North Korea, and the last thing you want is to have CIA on your back.

The move to ban the mixers was more of a prophylactic one, assuming that the admin would get a subpoena sometime in future in case mixers were kept active to be promoted on this forum and the forum was being run by its admin, that makes the admin responsible for the popularity of the mixer, in theory of course.

Hence un-banning of mixers will not happen in any time in future.

I cant say, if theymos has already received subpeona regarding the mixers and then they decided to stop them. If you were the admin you would understand the stress of this situation.

Un-banning mixers would be a good start  .

But honestly, I get the vibe that theymos doesn't really care too much about the forum traffic and whether it's growing or shrinking and sees himself more of an heir to Satoshi's legacy (he created this forum). In other words, he approaches it as more of a custodian rather than an entrepreneur, which is probably not a bad thing.

I've been on this forum for about 7 years, at the time I didn't even know there were signature campaigns going on in the forum, I joined here because here I find knowledge that i can't get on other social medias like Facebook etc. And the knowledge I was obtaining from these medias was not enough. Here are the biggest experts, there are a lot of good people here who are not just here to get money with signature campaigns.

I only heard about signature campaigns when one came up on my local board, i think i was a Full Member, it didn't pay much, but it was a great experience to understand how it works.

I believe that we can maintain our activities on the forum even if we do not participate in a paid campaign, of course everyone has their own tasks, work and sometimes there is no time to participate every day, there are days when I spend more time on this forum than on other networks social media, I spend more time reading posts than writing, I feel good here, it's a refuge from my personal problems, bitcointalk is my second home.

I hope that the trend of forum activities returns to its glory days, I hope that advertisers don't get discouraged from having their services promoted here, as this is the culture of the forum.

Of course, we shouldn't just think about getting receive money at all costs by making low quality posts, we must preserve the good practices of this forum and the signature campaigns are just the consequences of our good work.

Similar schemes have happened in the past too, with fiat money and traditional stock markets. Pump and dump is a good example of how seemingly fake value is created and then hordes of investors flock in only to lose their money in the dump.

I think the 2016-2018 period belongs to the ICO/ITO/STO/IDO
If the forum want to get better traffic....well only admin can say what to do.

Yup, that's precisely why the activity was through the roof in 2018 and the primary reason for developing the merit system to prevent spam. The mechanism was simple - create another "groundbreaking" bullshit token, hire people to promote it and pay them in that token, so you had all totally free marketing and the people promoting it (if successful) were the ones giving it any value so "developers" could dump it on unexpected investors who believed in the project. Crazy times and pretty educating on how the value is created etc.

The requirement for most signature campaigns was actually just 10 posts per week. However, then number of campaigns was so huge, and the biggest number of posts was probably from bounty reports since bounties were so profitable at the time. People could easily make $1,000+ from a couple of ICO bounty campaigns just by retweeting and reporting. It became so lucrative that people started creating account farms and spamming in the forum the more.

Theymos had to intervene and introduce the merit system.

After the ICO hype died, activity when do so fast.

I think that most reasons why the posts from 2017-2018 is so high because of campaign requirements and campaign availables in the forum.

2017 was the first remarkable ATH to me as campaign participant. 2018 was the year of ICO i mean lots of ICO, IDO, IEO i dont remember others but thats the reason why those stats rise and even doubled.
2019 are the realizations of people that it's useless having them and too many scam projects already.

The next 3 years are just casino campaigns availables with 25 minimum post requirements with minimal payments too, i remember 2017-2018 payment rises above $200. Then now $100 max pay is rare, the lowest is $50 with very minimum requirements like 10-15 posts only.
Not to mention lots of campaign abusers/cheaters, even a person with more than 10 accounts were hunted and tagged on 2019-2021.

Just my ovservation that's why we see those stats.

I think that most of us on this forum were very young in our early years with fewer responsibilities and had lots of time to post on this forum. Almost 8 years have passed since I registered on this forum and I clearly remember what my goals, my ambitions were... This forum helped me to improve my English, I was one of the earliest people to know about Bitcoin in my country, and this forum really helped me like nothing else. I will never be able to thank this forum enough for where I am in life right now.
I still stayed on this forum because believe it or not, I think about this place all the time. I can't imagine my life without this forum, this forum is a second house for me.

In terms of signature campaigns, 2016-2017 years were the best years. Bitcoin started increasing in 2017 and prices started rising. Many campaigns were paying the traditional pay rate set originally in Bitcoins. For example, Bitsler was paying 0.04 BTC per week when the price was 400$ and it was also paying 0.04 BTC per week when the price was 1.5K and more. Now imagine what a pleasant surprise it was in fiat when your pay rate was the same regardless of the price. CM was also paying a fixed 0.0007 BTC per post for a very long time. After 2016-2017, there really were golden times last year too by the way.

If theymos restarts the development of new forum software with new UI/UX design, this forum will become very popular.

If we add the graph posted by Helena Yu above we see that the trend in 2024 is still downwards. Surely this is at least one of the reasons that have decided Best Change to end its signature campaign in the forum.

It reminds me a bit of what happened with online poker. There was a moment when everything started to go down, we had lived a golden age and we didn't even realize it. We only did it afterwards.

I've no idea how I managed to forget about ninjastic despite starting a topic myself on this very subject over a year ago.
Reposting the chart for comparison:


Too lazy to produce a new chart with the added 2023 column, but the total number of posts for 2023 was 1,887,185. That's almost 30% decline.

That being said, in terms of signature campaigns (up until the ban on mixers) 2022-23 was a really good time. If I remember correctly from the past, the usual earnings from campaigns say around 2015-2016 were much lower than in 2023, maybe with some exceptions.

And it's hard to ignore the general trends in how younger generations use social media is also at play here. When you spend a lot of time on platforms like TikTok or alike, which were deliberately designed to be addictive and give dopamine hits, a classic form of a forum may not be attractive enough.

I feel the same. The forum looks like a ghost of its former self. People don't even care enough to post spam anymore, it is that bad. Few years ago, the forum was like Times Square of the internet and now it is a desert in Africa. The worst part of all this, there really isn't something to talk about.

No new tech, no news...

Crypto heros like Roger Ver and CZ are getting arrested, FTX did this, Sam Bankman did that, somemixer service was taken down and that's it.

People used to think something to solve bitcoin's high fee problem and nobody even cares about that anymore. Bitcoin is expensive? Meh, use something else.

We know the truth, most people who visit the forum come here for the signature campaigns. You dont see people like me hang out for 8years straight and even post regularly when I am devoid of any campaign everyday, do you?

Still we must try to keep the forum active, of course that is not a responsibility but an act we can all work upon.

Merit distribution is one regular rant, I would agree. People tend to favour giving merits to those whom they have merited before and thus circles are formed. We all want to be part of such circles so we can get an impetus to be active but does anybody really care about that to change anything?

It's up to you if you think it's completely wrong, but the reality is like this.

I would say people become more active due to signature earnings and it's make sense because who gonna reject an opportunity to earn money by just making posts?

But, people would still active in this forum and read other people posts, they just reduce their activity since they didn't earn anymore.

I got this impression too, without looking at the detailed statistics. I don't know if it's because of the mixer ban, but it seems to me that the activity on the forum is significantly weaker.
They probably evaluated the results at Bestchange and may have recognized that they had reached the maximum on the forum. Looking at the history of sig campaigns here, many services ended the campaign after a short period even though they needed a slightly longer period. 4.5 years is quite long, it requires a lot of patience and of course money.

It is a completely wrong attitude that forums are used exclusively for the sake of signature earnings. Once this attitude changes, maybe things will get better.


For mixers, forums like Altcoinstalks are one of the few, if not the only, channels for promotion.
I am also sure that the primary goal of the Bestchange business is not to have its own signature campaign and to give money to forum users. Earlier, I expressed doubts about the effectiveness of their campaign because the participants were a bit lazy, it seems as if they did not pay attention to the campaign goal.

Because the traffic on altcoinstalks is small but I don't have statistics that distinguish it.

It's just my own opinion that BestChange probably wouldn't consider campaigning there, but if they do then that's even better.

Right now only mixer campaigns are there, if there are none then it might drop even more.

But we'll see, if BestChange does marketing elsewhere someday we'll find out on which platform.