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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 12:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

No, they do not 'affect'. What happens is that if some prizes have a 5% probability of winning, it is easy to miss them in the first few spins and it is more normal to see them after 20 spins than after only 4. And so, if the prizes you are going to win have a probability of between 5% and 1% or even less, it is easier to see them as you reach a higher number of bets in your session.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on August 12, 2023, 06:16:49 PM

if you are playing on a reputable site, provable fairness won't be a question. but if you are playing on a second-rate casino, that's when you will start doubting their provability. it is understandable about such feeling of getting duped. so yeah, if your instincts is saying something is wrong with your game, better stop and get out. don't wait to let your suspicions be reality. if you have the hunch, maybe, there's really truth behind such hunch. however, the amount you wager doesn't affect whether you will win or lose, so long provability is in play.

Why gamble on a casino with no provably-fair system in the first place? A modern casino should provide you with the ability to check every single bet if it's provably fair or not, and if a casino isn't having such a system, you should simply avoid it and look for a platform that has it, if you think that a platform has a provably fair system but might have rigged it, you should take the hash of a bet and check it with an external provably fair system.

A casino that has such a system is basically fair with their customers, and upon external checking, this thing will become crystal clear. However, this is just about the games and not about the withdrawals and stuff and those areas must also be checked before getting involved in gambling.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on August 12, 2023, 06:16:49 PM

Quote from: serjent05 on August 12, 2023, 05:53:46 PM

If the feeling of unfairness sprouts in our gambling activities, we must stop gambling because it will only bring frustration, stress, and hatred which is detrimental to our health. Besides, once we think that it is unfair, thee simply means we are beginning to doubt the fairness of the game or the casino. I believe if one got the feeling he should stop playing on that platform because the feeling of unfairness is not normal in gambling games where we all know that the house has the edge and accepted that fact when we decided to play on that platform.

I do agree that increasing the wager will not affect the winning chance, it does affect the result of the amount to be won though.

if you are playing on a reputable site, provable fairness won't be a question. but if you are playing on a second-rate casino, that's when you will start doubting their provability. it is understandable about such feeling of getting duped. so yeah, if your instincts is saying something is wrong with your game, better stop and get out. don't wait to let your suspicions be reality. if you have the hunch, maybe, there's really truth behind such hunch. however, the amount you wager doesn't affect whether you will win or lose, so long provability is in play.

Playing on a reputable casino is far more profitable than just using a random sites or casinos because of the bonus that we might get when we make bets. Well known casinos are probably fair without having a second thought unless there the casino team have started with maliciously attempt to scam there customers tarnishing there well known reputable which is what many look after before they decide to bet on a casino. I mostly prefer using the well known casino I have been using than going for a new one.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 12:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

Also, i would like to tell you that there is a difference between a reality and a gut feeling. What you are feeling about the wagering and outcome of the games is most probably your gut feeling and this has nothing to do with reality.

For a moment think that this statement is true if you wager more you will start to lose but initially, you will win. So every gambler would play one or two games daily and get grantee wins. This does not happen in reality as people lose even the first few games when they start to gamble for the day.

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Quote from: harizen on August 11, 2023, 10:00:37 PM

Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 12:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

There's no such thing as a thing that we can connect the dots here between wagered amount and result.

Everything is random and we have to expect a result like that on a "luck-based game" obviously. House-edge rules, random algorithm rules, RTP-related rules, and everything. I also noticed your observation but it's just that, that's how the system should be supposed to work.

If the site is somehow reputable, expect that everything is fair and they won't do some sh*t to their users.

Funny enough that's what our brain does automatically anyway, it's trying to form patterns. It connects dots that aren't there and find meanings on patterns that doesn't have meanings. This is typical in luck based games that are totally random, when people desperately seek control to the outcome.

And especially when things are totally random, we often feel very much that some actions have some specific consiquences, that are just hard to pick up, but it seems like it's close. We can't help it. Even if we know we can't pick patterns from random, we are still unconsciously doing it because it's hard coded to us as a skill developed by evolution. Skill that our subconscious mind desperately needs to be applicable in what ever we do.

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Quote from: wiss19 on August 14, 2023, 02:29:04 AM

A lot of people don't get the fact that strategies are not going to make you win or prevent you from losses but they are basically why you will get higher losses and you might even end up having nothing left from your bankroll at the end of applying a certain strategy, the most famous one is Martingale.

I would not agree on this as some strategy based games like poker can help you a lot to win the games effectively combined with luck factors.It also help in gambling management like you say but you need planning to prevent future loss although you can't avoid it in your bets if luck is not yours.But strategies helps a lot in gambling if you are good at it.

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Quote from: wiss19 on August 14, 2023, 02:29:04 AM

Quote from: 3kpk3 on August 08, 2023, 03:12:37 AM

Quote from: maydna on August 07, 2023, 05:42:13 AM

All we can do is try every strategy to find out which can help us win. And don't forget that we also need luck and a good strategy, but we must remember that luck may not always be with us.

You are clearly missing the point. Strategies are effective only in the short-term because it's possible to defeat the house in such a short period while they are completely ineffective in the long-term thanks to the house edge.

They are useful for improving the fun factor, but they won't increase your winning chances. It's 100% luck basically.

I don't think strategies increase the fun in gambling, they rather help in increasing your blood pressure or heartbeat because when you are doubling your base bet after every loss, you clearly see your bankroll going to end very soon and I don't think you have any fun seeing that happening. So strategies are basically only effective in making you bankrupt and giving you headaches in between your gambling sessions when you might be having some fun before it.

A lot of people don't get the fact that strategies are not going to make you win or prevent you from losses but they are basically why you will get higher losses and you might even end up having nothing left from your bankroll at the end of applying a certain strategy, the most famous one is Martingale.

LOL haha witty reply for stating increasing pressure haha.

I would say strategy works. Only if it is proven working on a specific game and has been used properly. But sometimes, it's easier to just be a gambler isn't it? No strategies, no rules to obey, just pick one side and go for it.

But sometimes it really just pure luck, correct timing, gut feelings, and experience.

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Quote from: wiss19 on August 14, 2023, 02:29:04 AM

Quote from: 3kpk3 on August 08, 2023, 03:12:37 AM

Quote from: maydna on August 07, 2023, 05:42:13 AM

All we can do is try every strategy to find out which can help us win. And don't forget that we also need luck and a good strategy, but we must remember that luck may not always be with us.

You are clearly missing the point. Strategies are effective only in the short-term because it's possible to defeat the house in such a short period while they are completely ineffective in the long-term thanks to the house edge.

They are useful for improving the fun factor, but they won't increase your winning chances. It's 100% luck basically.

I don't think strategies increase the fun in gambling, they rather help in increasing your blood pressure or heartbeat because when you are doubling your base bet after every loss, you clearly see your bankroll going to end very soon and I don't think you have any fun seeing that happening. So strategies are basically only effective in making you bankrupt and giving you headaches in between your gambling sessions when you might be having some fun before it.

A lot of people don't get the fact that strategies are not going to make you win or prevent you from losses but they are basically why you will get higher losses and you might even end up having nothing left from your bankroll at the end of applying a certain strategy, the most famous one is Martingale.

Gambling by relying on some strategies in my opinion can help gamblers a little, I mean it will help in terms of mind, gamblers will not be too dizzy to do anything that can make the possibility of winning big. So maybe they just surrender and rely on these strategies, but well I think basically it still won't affect anything including the chances of winning there. Back to the original topic that this is gambling, no matter what you do for example by using some strategies or patterns that are considered good in the end still the answer to the final result is 100% luck, nothing more than that. So honestly I also never and do not really believe if the action can bring victory, I will only enjoy all the rounds in each game with a relaxed mind and will not be too ambitious in pursuit of victory.
Be a responsible gambler by accepting whatever the final result is, we must realize that gambling is only about luck that will lead us to the final result between winning and losing, so just enjoy it.

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on August 08, 2023, 03:12:37 AM

Quote from: maydna on August 07, 2023, 05:42:13 AM

All we can do is try every strategy to find out which can help us win. And don't forget that we also need luck and a good strategy, but we must remember that luck may not always be with us.

You are clearly missing the point. Strategies are effective only in the short-term because it's possible to defeat the house in such a short period while they are completely ineffective in the long-term thanks to the house edge.

They are useful for improving the fun factor, but they won't increase your winning chances. It's 100% luck basically.

I don't think strategies increase the fun in gambling, they rather help in increasing your blood pressure or heartbeat because when you are doubling your base bet after every loss, you clearly see your bankroll going to end very soon and I don't think you have any fun seeing that happening. So strategies are basically only effective in making you bankrupt and giving you headaches in between your gambling sessions when you might be having some fun before it.

A lot of people don't get the fact that strategies are not going to make you win or prevent you from losses but they are basically why you will get higher losses and you might even end up having nothing left from your bankroll at the end of applying a certain strategy, the most famous one is Martingale.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on August 12, 2023, 06:16:49 PM

if you are playing on a reputable site, provable fairness won't be a question. but if you are playing on a second-rate casino, that's when you will start doubting their provability. it is understandable about such feeling of getting duped. so yeah, if your instincts is saying something is wrong with your game, better stop and get out. don't wait to let your suspicions be reality. if you have the hunch, maybe, there's really truth behind such hunch. however, the amount you wager doesn't affect whether you will win or lose, so long provability is in play.

Casino usually doesn’t rigged anymore all their games even the second-rate casino since players has high probability of losing than winning due to the design of gambling games. One thing should be wary on a second rate casino is their ability to freeze or close someones account when they are already withdrawing funds with profit.

This is the current norm now on how shady casino cheat with their players and not through their games since most of them just add games from 3rd party unlike before that ever game is coded from scratch.

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Quote from: maydna on August 12, 2023, 08:23:32 AM

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If the feeling of unfairness sprouts in our gambling activities, we must stop gambling because it will only bring frustration, stress, and hatred which is detrimental to our health. Besides, once we think that it is unfair, thee simply means we are beginning to doubt the fairness of the game or the casino. I believe if one got the feeling he should stop playing on that platform because the feeling of unfairness is not normal in gambling games where we all know that the house has the edge and accepted that fact when we decided to play on that platform.

I do agree that increasing the wager will not affect the winning chance, it does affect the result of the amount to be won though.

Such thoughts will only make us desperate and want to prove it even though the casino is not cheating us. It's just because we don't have enough luck that we can't win it. And if we can't get rid of it, then we better not have to gamble for a while to get rid of feelings of frustration, hopelessness, or disappointment. And if we feel dissatisfied with the casino, we can move to another casino because our luck can come in another casino.

The higher we should raise the stakes, we must be aware that it also increases the risk of losing, so we don't need to raise the stakes just to be able to get a win. It's not worth doing, especially if it turns out we lose.

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Quote from: serjent05 on August 12, 2023, 05:53:46 PM

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Quote from: rozak on August 12, 2023, 12:23:38 AM

and if we feel something is unfair, we can look for other places to gamble. because it is a game of luck, what is displayed is a random result, and we cannot always win and also always lose. maybe it will be different if you play on a demo account, we can get a higher percentage of wins. that's how I feel. and on a real account, we will just have fun with the game. if we have bad prejudices, then all casinos can be bad.

Feeling unfair when we lose is normal because we are losing, so we think the casino is cheating us. Even though this is not so, the casino will win in the end, and we as gamblers, will lose. We might be able to win, but it won't be too often, especially if we play a luck-based gambling game where we have to rely on luck to win. And even if we increase the bet amount, it also won't change the result for the better because we need luck again to win. And instead of getting frustrated thinking about the loss and wanting to recover from the loss, it's better for us to stop and end our gambling game so we can manage our emotions so they don't explode.

If the feeling of unfairness sprouts in our gambling activities, we must stop gambling because it will only bring frustration, stress, and hatred which is detrimental to our health. Besides, once we think that it is unfair, thee simply means we are beginning to doubt the fairness of the game or the casino. I believe if one got the feeling he should stop playing on that platform because the feeling of unfairness is not normal in gambling games where we all know that the house has the edge and accepted that fact when we decided to play on that platform.

I do agree that increasing the wager will not affect the winning chance, it does affect the result of the amount to be won though.

if you are playing on a reputable site, provable fairness won't be a question. but if you are playing on a second-rate casino, that's when you will start doubting their provability. it is understandable about such feeling of getting duped. so yeah, if your instincts is saying something is wrong with your game, better stop and get out. don't wait to let your suspicions be reality. if you have the hunch, maybe, there's really truth behind such hunch. however, the amount you wager doesn't affect whether you will win or lose, so long provability is in play.

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Quote from: maydna on August 12, 2023, 08:23:32 AM

Quote from: rozak on August 12, 2023, 12:23:38 AM

and if we feel something is unfair, we can look for other places to gamble. because it is a game of luck, what is displayed is a random result, and we cannot always win and also always lose. maybe it will be different if you play on a demo account, we can get a higher percentage of wins. that's how I feel. and on a real account, we will just have fun with the game. if we have bad prejudices, then all casinos can be bad.

Feeling unfair when we lose is normal because we are losing, so we think the casino is cheating us. Even though this is not so, the casino will win in the end, and we as gamblers, will lose. We might be able to win, but it won't be too often, especially if we play a luck-based gambling game where we have to rely on luck to win. And even if we increase the bet amount, it also won't change the result for the better because we need luck again to win. And instead of getting frustrated thinking about the loss and wanting to recover from the loss, it's better for us to stop and end our gambling game so we can manage our emotions so they don't explode.

If the feeling of unfairness sprouts in our gambling activities, we must stop gambling because it will only bring frustration, stress, and hatred which is detrimental to our health. Besides, once we think that it is unfair, thee simply means we are beginning to doubt the fairness of the game or the casino. I believe if one got the feeling he should stop playing on that platform because the feeling of unfairness is not normal in gambling games where we all know that the house has the edge and accepted that fact when we decided to play on that platform.

I do agree that increasing the wager will not affect the winning chance, it does affect the result of the amount to be won though.

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Quote from: rozak on August 12, 2023, 12:23:38 AM

and if we feel something is unfair, we can look for other places to gamble. because it is a game of luck, what is displayed is a random result, and we cannot always win and also always lose. maybe it will be different if you play on a demo account, we can get a higher percentage of wins. that's how I feel. and on a real account, we will just have fun with the game. if we have bad prejudices, then all casinos can be bad.

Feeling unfair when we lose is normal because we are losing, so we think the casino is cheating us. Even though this is not so, the casino will win in the end, and we as gamblers, will lose. We might be able to win, but it won't be too often, especially if we play a luck-based gambling game where we have to rely on luck to win. And even if we increase the bet amount, it also won't change the result for the better because we need luck again to win. And instead of getting frustrated thinking about the loss and wanting to recover from the loss, it's better for us to stop and end our gambling game so we can manage our emotions so they don't explode.

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Quote from: harizen on August 11, 2023, 10:00:37 PM

Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 12:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

There's no such thing as a thing that we can connect the dots here between wagered amount and result.

Everything is random and we have to expect a result like that on a "luck-based game" obviously. House-edge rules, random algorithm rules, RTP-related rules, and everything. I also noticed your observation but it's just that, that's how the system should be supposed to work.

If the site is somehow reputable, expect that everything is fair and they won't do some sh*t to their users.

It's true that gambling are unpredictable and dependent on luck, among other things. But thinking you can't find patterns? That's just being a bit...well, lazy.. See, I understand. The website may be genuine, and the house edge and algorithms function as intended. But stating that we should just accept things as they come? Nope. Even on trustworthy websites, I've encountered some dubious stuff. Hey, don't trust anything at first glance. There is sometimes more to a story than first glances. Saying, not accusing. Always double-check everything

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 12:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

Same experience here in some cases but I am also in the conclusion that our wager affects the outcomes of our bet in provably fair games. Since the result is random and the house always wins, we will really end up thinking that something like your example exists. Besides, at some sites, especially dice sites, every bet can be checked manually if it's fair or not but I'm sure we won't reach that far checking every bet is fair or not.

Let's just put it this way, if we are lucky, then lucky. If not, then just come another day. That's how gambling works in the first place.

and if we feel something is unfair, we can look for other places to gamble. because it is a game of luck, what is displayed is a random result, and we cannot always win and also always lose. maybe it will be different if you play on a demo account, we can get a higher percentage of wins. that's how I feel. and on a real account, we will just have fun with the game. if we have bad prejudices, then all casinos can be bad.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 12:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

Same experience here in some cases but I am also in the conclusion that our wager affects the outcomes of our bet in provably fair games. Since the result is random and the house always wins, we will really end up thinking that something like your example exists. Besides, at some sites, especially dice sites, every bet can be checked manually if it's fair or not but I'm sure we won't reach that far checking every bet is fair or not.

Let's just put it this way, if we are lucky, then lucky. If not, then just come another day. That's how gambling works in the first place.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 12:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

There's no such thing as a thing that we can connect the dots here between wagered amount and result.

Everything is random and we have to expect a result like that on a "luck-based game" obviously. House-edge rules, random algorithm rules, RTP-related rules, and everything. I also noticed your observation but it's just that, that's how the system should be supposed to work.

If the site is somehow reputable, expect that everything is fair and they won't do some sh*t to their users.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 12:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

If you gambler, you shouldn't check or research in what the system behind it because that situation will give you a headache. Just make sure the casino is legit and fair to pay gamblers. If I were you I Just leave everything behind it, and I just put money and play. As a big casino and legit to pay player, they have the system running well behind and be fair to make you comfortable without worry. if you feel has been cheated, and your appeal has been ignored, just be sure to leave it and find another casino, just simple like that.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on August 11, 2023, 07:14:59 AM

Some casino offer their system calculations with the odds given by the game itself but some of them are not, so in this statement, this is not always happening some gamblers to their first game makes a hit of the rewards, jackpots, etc. This is most likely just speculation of the players, for example, if they didn't make a win in the first try, they speculate for the next coming to try it works, and vice versa on it, or if they win in the first try they win and they think the luck is with them. Players keep playing to increase the odds of winning that's all.

Games for which you can see how the results are generated and can verify those results are provably fair games. It's comment to provide and explain how the system works for transparency reasons.
Regarding your second statement, what you described is one of the common gambler's fallacies. They think that if they lose the current round they will have better chances to win the next one and vise-versa. This is not true. Each round is independent of the previous one. In fact this is actually why martingale and other strategies do not work.

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