Topic: Do wager affect outcomes in any provably fair games - page 4. (Read 1264 times)

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Yes there is no strategy that works repeatedly in any situation as far as gambling is concerned, this is so because most of those who have thought that they have a strategy because their luck shines on one or two occasions think that it will continue but not too long the strategy will still disappointment because it can't win consistently.

So it is very important to depend less on skills or strategy and pay more attention to luck and gambling only with an amount we can let go.

All we can do is try every strategy to find out which can help us win. And don't forget that we also need luck and a good strategy, but we must remember that luck may not always be with us.

And we also have to limit the number of wagers we make so that there are not many losses and we still have money to play gambling another day. Perhaps we can reach a certain number of wagers to get a bonus, but that won't change the result. And if we lose, we can't complain because that also relies on luck.

We can do that to know every percentage of accuracy on the strategy, we can do that but if we keep doing that with the purpose of trying some strategies I think we will lose too much, it's possible though that it will all come back to our own luck. In gambling, we should have certain self-control or limits, such as limits on the amount of bets as you said in order not to lose too much. I think to avoid the possibility of losing we should stay relaxed in gambling, don't be too ambitious and don't put too high expectations to win. Because if we put too much hope then obviously they will move under their subconscious, I mean they will continue to do it without knowing the limits they have prepared before and in the end they will lose a lot there. So stick to using self-control when you gamble.

Jody.Drummer I agree with you on that because not having a limit could expose the gambler to grave danger and unlike the other sector, gambling results are unpredictable and at that we must have to limit the number of risk we take to stake or wager more, winning a game is the most challenging thing for a gambler since the casino already have a system in place that will limit the chances of the gambler to also favour the house which is the main reason why their remain in business, so the more the gambler wager, the higher the chances of losing the bets.

So placing a limit is the best form of proactive measures that help gamblers to limit they record loses per time and all gamblers must build such characteristic.

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Quote from: maydna on August 09, 2023, 07:40:15 AM

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Yes there is no strategy that works repeatedly in any situation as far as gambling is concerned, this is so because most of those who have thought that they have a strategy because their luck shines on one or two occasions think that it will continue but not too long the strategy will still disappointment because it can't win consistently.

So it is very important to depend less on skills or strategy and pay more attention to luck and gambling only with an amount we can let go.

All we can do is try every strategy to find out which can help us win. And don't forget that we also need luck and a good strategy, but we must remember that luck may not always be with us.

And we also have to limit the number of wagers we make so that there are not many losses and we still have money to play gambling another day. Perhaps we can reach a certain number of wagers to get a bonus, but that won't change the result. And if we lose, we can't complain because that also relies on luck.

We can do that to know every percentage of accuracy on the strategy, we can do that but if we keep doing that with the purpose of trying some strategies I think we will lose too much, it's possible though that it will all come back to our own luck. In gambling, we should have certain self-control or limits, such as limits on the amount of bets as you said in order not to lose too much. I think to avoid the possibility of losing we should stay relaxed in gambling, don't be too ambitious and don't put too high expectations to win. Because if we put too much hope then obviously they will move under their subconscious, I mean they will continue to do it without knowing the limits they have prepared before and in the end they will lose a lot there. So stick to using self-control when you gamble.

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Well, what you say is also true because, without luck, it will be difficult for us to win the game even though we have a lot of strategies. But we can modify the many strategies so that they can give us an advantage and work well when luck comes.

And a strategy accompanied by enough wager could give us a win or even that isn't enough, especially if we don't have good luck. Our bet may not impact the outcome, especially if what comes isn't great luck. And usually, the bets we make can increase to reach a certain level owned by most casinos so that later we can get other bonuses.

Except for Sports betting and Poker, all games in a casino are based on your strategy and luck. Without luck, it is not possible for anyone to win as it plays an important part in gambling. I have not played a lot of luck based games but I do indulge in sports betting frequently. I won't be able to share an in-depth analysis but according to what I understand wagering is irrelevant in a provably fair casino. Provably fair in simple words is that the outcome of each bet or game is cryptographically determined by random chance. Wherein chances are nothing but luck and wagering does not count in it.

Whatever strategy we use does not affect a provably fair house as they determine the outcome based on chances. If you are lucky enough and then the chances would be in your favour.

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Quote from: TravelMug on August 09, 2023, 04:53:27 AM

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Of course, it pays to play with different strategies, and depending on the game we play, we can developed our own or just follow what other strategies has been there for years and try if we can make money out of it.

Nevertheless, everything is just based on pure luck, and so with that, we really don't know what will be the outcome. I heard stories of gamblers though wishing that they stick with their strategies because changing it sometimes put a lot of stress on them and in the end, causing them to lose big money.

Well, what you say is also true because, without luck, it will be difficult for us to win the game even though we have a lot of strategies. But we can modify the many strategies so that they can give us an advantage and work well when luck comes.

And a strategy accompanied by enough wager could give us a win or even that isn't enough, especially if we don't have good luck. Our bet may not impact the outcome, especially if what comes isn't great luck. And usually, the bets we make can increase to reach a certain level owned by most casinos so that later we can get other bonuses.

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Quote from: TravelMug on August 09, 2023, 04:53:27 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

I do not know which platform you use for gambling ? Usually in a good trusted casino, you will not face this and no matter if you play your first game or many games , the games will not follow this pattern and each game has equal chances of win or lose regardless of how many games you play.

If the games are tampered with, then only these things can happen to attract the gamblers to give them wins in their first few games to make them play more and then make them lose, This should not happen in legit gambling sites. Or maybe you were lucky to always win initially and then lose. Try to play few games , win and then quit for the day. Wink

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That's one thing about gambling that people fail to understand, and I think that why people suffer numerous losses is because they focus on one particular strategy and hoping to be lucky at some point, yes the luck might definitely come and by then you might have suffered multiple losses than you'll even win when you finally become lucky and note that the luck won't even last for long time till you start suffering losses again, so the best idea is not to depend on one particular strategy In gambling mostly sports betting there are lots of options more than you could imagine that have good chances of winning all that bettors need to do is take their time and study the game including previous match record of the particular games you picked and stake on the right options suitable based on your research regarding their previous match outcomes, yes are mayday changing different strategies does not guarantee a long term win but it would help bettors figure out possible win options that they could use at different times.

This means that if they can use different strategies, the chances of winning will definitely increase, but that still doesn't guarantee they can win many times because it's back to luck. Perhaps they can hold on and get the win, but if they want another win, it may be time for them to see the loss coming. And research before placing a bet is indeed a must for every gambler so they can determine a strategy to play. And if they can't win, they have to find another strategy to win, but please remember that we have to keep limiting the use of money because by looking for other strategies, we use more money even though that means we place small bets.

Of course, it pays to play with different strategies, and depending on the game we play, we can developed our own or just follow what other strategies has been there for years and try if we can make money out of it.

Nevertheless, everything is just based on pure luck, and so with that, we really don't know what will be the outcome. I heard stories of gamblers though wishing that they stick with their strategies because changing it sometimes put a lot of stress on them and in the end, causing them to lose big money.

After seeing this, I honestly don't really believe that we can use strategy in gambling, I'm saying this for something that is just based on luck in it. To say it's a strategy I don't think is right but to say it's one of the limitations - the limitations are very possible. Then I would say that there is no definite strategy in gambling but only certain limitations that we can do to reduce the level of loss, and for the victory itself we can only depend on our own luck, if we are lucky then we will get a victory there. To be honest, I have also tried some of the strategies given by my colleagues such as patterns in the game, I did it and for the final result it did not match the expectations at all.
So it's true as you said, gambling is just about pure luck in it, if someone gets a win by doing some strategy it's probably because they are really lucky.

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Quote from: QueenVera on August 08, 2023, 08:59:38 AM

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That's one thing about gambling that people fail to understand, and I think that why people suffer numerous losses is because they focus on one particular strategy and hoping to be lucky at some point, yes the luck might definitely come and by then you might have suffered multiple losses than you'll even win when you finally become lucky and note that the luck won't even last for long time till you start suffering losses again, so the best idea is not to depend on one particular strategy In gambling mostly sports betting there are lots of options more than you could imagine that have good chances of winning all that bettors need to do is take their time and study the game including previous match record of the particular games you picked and stake on the right options suitable based on your research regarding their previous match outcomes, yes are mayday changing different strategies does not guarantee a long term win but it would help bettors figure out possible win options that they could use at different times.

This means that if they can use different strategies, the chances of winning will definitely increase, but that still doesn't guarantee they can win many times because it's back to luck. Perhaps they can hold on and get the win, but if they want another win, it may be time for them to see the loss coming. And research before placing a bet is indeed a must for every gambler so they can determine a strategy to play. And if they can't win, they have to find another strategy to win, but please remember that we have to keep limiting the use of money because by looking for other strategies, we use more money even though that means we place small bets.

Of course, it pays to play with different strategies, and depending on the game we play, we can developed our own or just follow what other strategies has been there for years and try if we can make money out of it.

Nevertheless, everything is just based on pure luck, and so with that, we really don't know what will be the outcome. I heard stories of gamblers though wishing that they stick with their strategies because changing it sometimes put a lot of stress on them and in the end, causing them to lose big money.

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That's one thing about gambling that people fail to understand, and I think that why people suffer numerous losses is because they focus on one particular strategy and hoping to be lucky at some point, yes the luck might definitely come and by then you might have suffered multiple losses than you'll even win when you finally become lucky and note that the luck won't even last for long time till you start suffering losses again, so the best idea is not to depend on one particular strategy In gambling mostly sports betting there are lots of options more than you could imagine that have good chances of winning all that bettors need to do is take their time and study the game including previous match record of the particular games you picked and stake on the right options suitable based on your research regarding their previous match outcomes, yes are mayday changing different strategies does not guarantee a long term win but it would help bettors figure out possible win options that they could use at different times.

This means that if they can use different strategies, the chances of winning will definitely increase, but that still doesn't guarantee they can win many times because it's back to luck. Perhaps they can hold on and get the win, but if they want another win, it may be time for them to see the loss coming. And research before placing a bet is indeed a must for every gambler so they can determine a strategy to play. And if they can't win, they have to find another strategy to win, but please remember that we have to keep limiting the use of money because by looking for other strategies, we use more money even though that means we place small bets.

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I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

Each game is design of course to give advantage to the house so expect losing first before small recovery , not unless you are the lucky one that wins comes easily such time.
and don't look straight to that Provably fair because that is not completely happening when we are dealing in those sites.

I think that a provably fair game should be fairly player neutral. This is precisely the whole essence of provable honesty algorithms in general.

That is what I am trying to believe from the beginning mate , trust me even those casino that I come to play from day one but upon experiences? there is no such thing as complete true in that probability .
instead of course it will always favor the site and the team. but of course they are legit and safer to play and that is what for me the important thing to expect and deal with.

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However, of course, sometimes, by claiming that there is provable fairness in a particular game, an unscrupulous and dishonest casino may well use such a claim as a bait for players who think that they have the same chances to win as the casino. Although in fact this mechanism is used a little cunningly and it is extremely difficult to prove that there is a small deviation from equally probable events. So you should still treat provable honesty more like an advertising slogan than a real provision of equal chances to win.
In my opinion, this is how it works.

actually what need here is that let us not expect too much , we must take a look about their generosity and security , this is what gamblers wanted to have assurance because it matters about the long process and business and not just a simple and easy dealing.

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I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

When you place a bet it is good because you can win it and it may be your luck too. If you regularly gamble and win bets then it will be profitable for you. And if you know any strategy to win the bet then you can continue gambling. But if it happens that you win the bet only due to luck then don't go deep into gambling then it can be risky for you. Because if your luck is good at one time then you can win the bet and at other times if you bet more money then there is a possibility of losing. So you always adopt good strategies and bet accordingly then you may be able to profit but should not bet all the time.

There is basically no strategy to make you win, even if you manage to win once or twice using a strategy, you shouldn't continue doing that because strategies are guaranteed ways to bankruptcy when it comes to gambling because you might lose normally but when you use a strategy, you tend to lose with a higher pace and you will see your bankroll vanishing in no time at all. So it's never a good decision to continue gambling using a strategy.

And you are right that one's wins and losses will totally depend on their luck, but it has nothing to do with the amount of money they've wagered and how long they've been playing. If someone thinks they are not winning initially and start winning after some time, it is nothing but a coincidence.

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I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

When we bet we are wagering. I think you mean is when we wager for a long time. Well, I notice it and a lot of gamblers. This is why they are starting to bet small only or they don't put any real money at all. We think it's like an oven that it needs to be preheated first in order for it to perform effectively. There are still times that we can get lucky early and hit some nice wins and then the later runs are going to be full of losses. We only need to feel our game properly. We need to have good instinct in short but it will only be developed to us the longer we play gambling. There are still no real evidence from what I said above. I think gambling still works randomly.

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I believe so too and that is why we must also put in place some skills that can also aid our winning and not totally depends on luck because while you are praying to get lucky the casino is constantly working on its own games system to keep them in the winning position, it's a normal formula that we need to check before we place any bet or decide to wager at some point.

The more we wager the higher the chances of losing and this is what many newbies don't understand because they continue to wager more and more each time their record any win at the first stake the belief that as long as their luck shines the first time it will continue like that not knowing that luck doesn't come by all the time.

Perhaps that's the point of using or changing the strategy. I knew that strategy would only be effective for a short time. But even if we change the strategy often, it doesn't guarantee we can win for long because the casino will win from the gamblers. Yes, that means that a luck factor still plays a role in winning gambling games.

That's one thing about gambling that people fail to understand, and I think that why people suffer numerous losses is because they focus on one particular strategy and hoping to be lucky at some point, yes the luck might definitely come and by then you might have suffered multiple losses than you'll even win when you finally become lucky and note that the luck won't even last for long time till you start suffering losses again, so the best idea is not to depend on one particular strategy In gambling mostly sports betting there are lots of options more than you could imagine that have good chances of winning all that bettors need to do is take their time and study the game including previous match record of the particular games you picked and stake on the right options suitable based on your research regarding their previous match outcomes, yes are mayday changing different strategies does not guarantee a long term win but it would help bettors figure out possible win options that they could use at different times.

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on August 08, 2023, 03:12:37 AM

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I believe so too and that is why we must also put in place some skills that can also aid our winning and not totally depends on luck because while you are praying to get lucky the casino is constantly working on its own games system to keep them in the winning position, it's a normal formula that we need to check before we place any bet or decide to wager at some point.

The more we wager the higher the chances of losing and this is what many newbies don't understand because they continue to wager more and more each time their record any win at the first stake the belief that as long as their luck shines the first time it will continue like that not knowing that luck doesn't come by all the time.

But don't forget to keep limiting yourself in trying each strategy so that our money doesn't run out just trying each strategy. When luck can lead us to win, we must remember that we are lucky to win and maybe if we have played enough gambling, we must immediately stop ourselves before defeat comes. Gambling losses will come to people who cannot stop themselves in time and only want to chase more wins.

We must know that luck can leave at any time and the strategies we use will not work properly. And in placing bets, we also have to pay attention to the amount of the bet so that we don't use all the money to bet. There is still another day to bet so we need to stop and rest.

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You are clearly missing the point. Strategies are effective only in the short-term because it's possible to defeat the house in such a short period while they are completely ineffective in the long-term thanks to the house edge.

They are useful for improving the fun factor, but they won't increase your winning chances. It's 100% luck basically.

Perhaps that's the point of using or changing the strategy. I knew that strategy would only be effective for a short time. But even if we change the strategy often, it doesn't guarantee we can win for long because the casino will win from the gamblers. Yes, that means that a luck factor still plays a role in winning gambling games.

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All we can do is try every strategy to find out which can help us win. And don't forget that we also need luck and a good strategy, but we must remember that luck may not always be with us.

You are clearly missing the point. Strategies are effective only in the short-term because it's possible to defeat the house in such a short period while they are completely ineffective in the long-term thanks to the house edge.

They are useful for improving the fun factor, but they won't increase your winning chances. It's 100% luck basically.

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Yes no strategy works repeatedly in any situation as far as gambling is concerned, this is so because most of those who have thought that they have a strategy because their luck shines on one or two occasions think that it will continue but not too long the strategy will still disappointment because it can't win consistently.

So it is very important to depend less on skills or strategy and pay more attention to luck and gambling only with an amount we can let go.

All we can do is try every strategy to find out which can help us win. And don't forget that we also need luck and a good strategy, but we must remember that luck may not always be with us.

And we also have to limit the number of wagers we make so that there are not many losses and we still have money to play gambling another day. Perhaps we can reach a certain number of wagers to get a bonus, but that won't change the result. And if we lose, we can't complain because that also relies on luck.

I believe so too and that is why we must also put in place some skills that can also aid our winning and not totally depends on luck because while you are praying to get lucky the casino is constantly working on its own games system to keep them in the winning position, it's a normal formula that we need to check before we place any bet or decide to wager at some point.

Yeah, we should develop a skill on how to gamble responsibly and also how to moderate our gambling activity. Since most of the luck-based games results are random, we only need to have the skill to control ourselves and know the amount of money we should gamble in order for our gambling activity to not affect us negatively while maintaining our gambling activities.

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The more we wager the higher the chances of losing and this is what many newbies don't understand because they continue to wager more and more each time their record any win at the first stake the belief that as long as their luck shines the first time it will continue like that not knowing that luck doesn't come by all the time.

We can also see wagerin on the other part of the coins that the more we wager the more chances we can win. Just like how lotto ticket buyers think that the more ticket they buy the more chance of them to hit the jackpot. But, I do agree that every one must know how to manage their bankroll in order for them to minimize losses in each of their gambling session.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on August 03, 2023, 08:56:18 PM

Obviously the longer you gamble, the higher the probability becomes that you will hit win. Unless you are implying that there are casinos that manipulate the game to keep you playing? Of course the reputable casinos would not participate in manipulation so obviously shady and public that it would ruin their reputation if they got caught. And eventually everyone gets caught. But also, the games themselves are usually from third party providers, right? So there must be oversight for fairness. Neither the casino nor the game provider would want to look bad in front of the other. So there are eyes everywhere.

Coming back to your question, there are casinos which have an open source policy. That means you can take a look behind the curtain of inner workings of their games, as long as you can read and understand the code. If not, then there are always people who can understand it and explain it to you.

Since most gambling platforms these days have provably-fair betting systems where a user can check and verify if their bets are being manipulated or not, I don't think it's a necessity for the player to check the code or get it checked by someone else only to see if the game they are playing is provably-fair. What OP is talking about is nothing more than a coincidence or a matter of luck because a gambler might even hit a win on their first bet sometimes and don't hit any after 20 bets too, so it is totally dependent on one's luck.

I don't think that a game would have a system where you don't get a win until you wager a certain amount and once you reach that wagering limit, the server makes you win, never in my life I've heard or seen anything like that in any gambling game and that is definitely not how it works.

How people may believe there is a system where you don't win until you reach a certain wagering cap is strange and hilarious (not funny-haha, but you get what I mean). But as you pointed out, it simply doesn't operate that way, and it never has in my life. The unpredictable nature of gambling is the whole goal and the core of it. To ensure that it is truly, unquestionably, completely unpredictable, the fairness systems are in place. Okay, so check the code? Nah, just rely on the system and enjoy yourself, right?

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on August 03, 2023, 08:56:18 PM

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Yes no strategy works repeatedly in any situation as far as gambling is concerned, this is so because most of those who have thought that they have a strategy because their luck shines on one or two occasions think that it will continue but not too long the strategy will still disappointment because it can't win consistently.

So it is very important to depend less on skills or strategy and pay more attention to luck and gambling only with an amount we can let go.

All we can do is try every strategy to find out which can help us win. And don't forget that we also need luck and a good strategy, but we must remember that luck may not always be with us.

And we also have to limit the number of wagers we make so that there are not many losses and we still have money to play gambling another day. Perhaps we can reach a certain number of wagers to get a bonus, but that won't change the result. And if we lose, we can't complain because that also relies on luck.

I believe so too and that is why we must also put in place some skills that can also aid our winning and not totally depends on luck because while you are praying to get lucky the casino is constantly working on its own games system to keep them in the winning position, it's a normal formula that we need to check before we place any bet or decide to wager at some point.

The more we wager the higher the chances of losing and this is what many newbies don't understand because they continue to wager more and more each time their record any win at the first stake the belief that as long as their luck shines the first time it will continue like that not knowing that luck doesn't come by all the time.

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Obviously the longer you gamble, the higher the probability becomes that you will hit win. Unless you are implying that there are casinos that manipulate the game to keep you playing? Of course the reputable casinos would not participate in manipulation so obviously shady and public that it would ruin their reputation if they got caught. And eventually everyone gets caught. But also, the games themselves are usually from third party providers, right? So there must be oversight for fairness. Neither the casino nor the game provider would want to look bad in front of the other. So there are eyes everywhere.

Coming back to your question, there are casinos which have an open source policy. That means you can take a look behind the curtain of inner workings of their games, as long as you can read and understand the code. If not, then there are always people who can understand it and explain it to you.

Since most gambling platforms these days have provably-fair betting systems where a user can check and verify if their bets are being manipulated or not, I don't think it's a necessity for the player to check the code or get it checked by someone else only to see if the game they are playing is provably-fair. What OP is talking about is nothing more than a coincidence or a matter of luck because a gambler might even hit a win on their first bet sometimes and don't hit any after 20 bets too, so it is totally dependent on one's luck.

I don't think that a game would have a system where you don't get a win until you wager a certain amount and once you reach that wagering limit, the server makes you win, never in my life I've heard or seen anything like that in any gambling game and that is definitely not how it works.

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