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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 12:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

Where do you play? Do you have a statistics? By the way, have you tried to use that case in your favor? I think, it's just probability, that's why you need to have a look at your bet history. Logically, your wagering shouldn't affect your outcome, even if the casino is a scam, they don't need this strategy because it makes zero sense, instead, they would implement Return To Player (slots have that) system and they take like 80% of all the money of all slot players and let players to win that left 20%.
I think it's just your personal perception.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on August 02, 2023, 02:36:23 PM

Nope. Provably fair games are randomized regardless of the inputs that were placed upon it prior to the bet resolving. Wagers, bets, and other things shouldn't affect how you win when you're playing on a provably fair game since it only affects how much you're going to lose/win, not the percentage of games that you will win. At the end of the day, this is all just heuristics and biases placed upon our pattern-loving brains that we could put two and two together like this where you're correlating these two things. Keep in mind that correlation doesn't always mean causation, and in this case this just proves it since outcomes are calculated in random and there's no way unless it's something that the gambling site imposed in which case they are dumb cause once people catches up to this they'd lose money.

that is true, how much you wagered has nothing to do with the results of your game, if you are in a provably fair platform. worry if the site is not known to be a provably fair gambling site. so don't think that the more money you wagered, the better is the outcome for your games. if you are playing in luck-based games, you can't predict when will you hit your winnings, if there's any.

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I don't see it so from my side because even when I wager on small amount I stil do win. I have tried this your strategy sometime ago but I ended up losing the game. I gamble for fun and I don't care if I will increase the amount of money to win big since I already have a gamble budget for the week.

Maybe this is your own gambling strategy but does it work for you always or once in a while because I know that gambling is based on luck and not based on how much you wager to win the game. Wager and wins don't have anything in common,is just that when you wager big,you will have the chance of winning big.

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Nope. Provably fair games are randomized regardless of the inputs that were placed upon it prior to the bet resolving. Wagers, bets, and other things shouldn't affect how you win when you're playing on a provably fair game since it only affects how much you're going to lose/win, not the percentage of games that you will win. At the end of the day, this is all just heuristics and biases placed upon our pattern-loving brains that we could put two and two together like this where you're correlating these two things. Keep in mind that correlation doesn't always mean causation, and in this case this just proves it since outcomes are calculated in random and there's no way unless it's something that the gambling site imposed in which case they are dumb cause once people catches up to this they'd lose money.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 12:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

Nope. Everything is random and there's no way that that there would be differences about bet results or outcome because it is really just that totally random or results are really that not determined or fixed.

Doesnt matter if you are making use of an amount which you would be playing up on demo or with real funds because on the time that you would be playing out whether you had activated that bonuses wagering requirement or not which the results or outcome would really be just entirely be the same. It is really just that these presumptions are really that molded or created on the time that you would be playing
but actually these are just some normal wrong approach because you do really notice up something but in overall it wasnt just that possible.

There's no way that they would really be rigging up results just for you to be able to be interested on wagering because once they do get caught on having those alterations then
it would really be making out some huge effect into its business.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 12:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

With chance-based games, I always believe the result is random. You may experience that you often lose your first bet but others may experience the other way around. It is known that the more we wager the more possibility for us to win since the number of tries multiplies our chance of winning but sadly it also multiplies our chance of losing. Like when we have 10 wagers in mind, this means we have a 10 out of 10 chance of winning.

There is some calculation on the internet on how gambling things work and its applied house edge can affect the result of the game. And when you are talking about the server, I believe the result is dependent on the RNG(random number generators) and not fixated on our wager.

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In some of my sessions, it goes the other way around i'll start by winning 5-10 bets and then mostly lose the next 20 bets. It slowly evens out once you place more bets, but not all the time because the house edge is always there to skew your betting record.

And the others are right, there shouldn't be any correlation between each bet because it could've been a betting strategy if that was the case.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 12:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

If betting amount has any effects on the outcomes then only high rollers can win games so there is no point of small bets which will makes the casinos to bankrupt so for the fact the results are completely random and if it happened to you then it just mere coincidence. And casinos has to ensures this fairness and randomness to provide a fair and entertaining experience to players then only they can possibly makes profitability in the long run.

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In the past there were manipulation. Now each bet can be verified, as the platforms have begun to function provably fair there is no connection between two bets. When calculated everyone will have high number of winning bets against the lost ones. This is common, but on the profit/loss statistics most of the gamblers will be in loss. As said in one of the previous post it is the luck that decides the win and the wager doesn't have anything to do with the outcome of the bets.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on August 02, 2023, 01:15:08 AM

No...... there are no link between previous bets and future bets... each bet are calculated on it's own.. by using the CLIENT seed and the SERVER seed and the RNG (Random Number Generator)

I also thought if you lose enough money on a specific game, then the slot or game will reward you in the future.. but that is not true. The RTP determine how much are returned to the player.. based on how the games are configured.

I wouldn't say for all the casinos out there because not all of them allow you to check seeds. You can't say for sure that some casinos aren't messing with player's odds depending on their win rate and other statistics.

I wouldn't be surprised if casinos adjusted something in their algorithms in case of emergency, for instance their bankroll being drained. They probably have a system that either adjust the odds if they start running out of money or shuts everything down before they go into negative.

I haven't experienced any of this because I'm an occasional gambler who bets a few bucks from time to time, but this doesn't mean all casinos play fair.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 12:03:26 AM

How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

Your topic reminds me of one of the sources entitled: Can Casinos Control Slot Machine Results and Payouts?

This is how casinos work.

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Will a casino secretly control slot payouts?
A trusted, licensed casino has very little to gain by tampering with games. In fact, they have a lot to lose. A casino’s reputation can be ruined; it could have its license revoked; it could be heavily fined; or it could damage its relationship with slot developers. Even though a casino can control slot machines, if you’ve chosen a trusted casino like BetMGM, they won’t. If you’ve chosen well, you can play for fun at a casino without worrying about being cheated or misled.

My assessment is a case like what you are experiencing, in my opinion it is purely your luck or bad luck if you lose.

For this reason, it is highly recommended to bet on online casinos, which have a good or strong license and reputation for the casino, even though they can see the user's victory, but they don't dare to do it, if they are caught, they can be fined as explained in the quote above.

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There is no connection between your wagering and your win date because the outcome of the game and depends on your luck per time and that and if you are lucky your first wager can hit you a winning while subsequent wager could go negative so it depends on your luck on the game per time.

So there is no connection between wagering and the probability fairness of the game system because the two are both different in both operation and reality.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 12:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

More of coincidence, I think. Try doing it with consistency and as you've said, you made a change with your betting scheme which make you observe slight changes with the results as well. And I think there's no basis of this. Everything's based on our fate and luck when itcomes to the outcome of our bet. Wager has nothing to do or has no direct relationship with the betting outcome. I'vve been gambling for years but I saw no such thing. Also, if there is then I 'd rather be worried 'coz it simply means patterns are too visible and there are variables affecting the result. So I hope things are fine.

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If you provide screenshots testing all the games it would be even better, but I think it's just coincidence, so there's nothing surprising and strange in my opinion in what you dive about it, I also happen to play Limbo a lot but for fun Of course, it's not much time to win at the game, in fact, there are many strategies that I use, including what you said with a percentage too.

But it still fails and it's hard to get a win unless I really want to stop playing when I win, then that's when I will win and get it, after all a proven fair game doesn't necessarily work fair, I think the casino will continue to win against you and me, the house will always win, that's what I know as long as I play gambling in casinos.

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if the game is Provably Fair, that means we can change the seed at any moment, and the past bets don't affect the future ones. The fact that the casinos have a house edge is the way they win in the long run and not by manipulating the outcome of the bet.

And the interesting fact about this is the fact that we can get a massive win back-to-back with the right luck. you can get 2 x999 on plinko in less than 10 bets, or two x1000 on dice in less than 5 bets.

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Quote from: maydna on August 02, 2023, 08:59:34 AM

I don't know how it works or the calculations because I don't work in a casino. But as far as I know, the game you mentioned requires luck. So even if you tweak the strategy, you might still be out of luck if you don't have luck.

There’s no math behind each result if you are pertaining on the pattern in able to predict the next outcome. Casino use an RNG on slot games while other decentralized games use a randomizer code which the result is pure random even if the code is open source.

Quote from: maydna on August 02, 2023, 08:59:34 AM

You can ask the people working in the casino to find the method. But I'm not sure that person wants to tell you because it's a company secret. When I play craps or plinko, I'm not thinking about how to win but only how much money I can use. That's it, nothing else because it depends on your luck.

Even people working on the casino don’t know the secret behind each game since their software is not accessible even by their worker. The only advice they can give to you is regarding on what’s happening physically in the casino.

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Nope. Not at all op. Every single bet is independent of each other in provably fair games which is why your wager doesn't affect the outcome. If that were the case, all gambling sites would go out of business pretty quickly.

Some people believe that bets are influenced by factors like wager size, strategies etc which is simply gamblers fallacy.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 12:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

I don't think so. Most reputable casino sites that we use these days does not link our bets with previous ones.
Most of these sites use the provably fair algorithm which shows that every bet is individual and wagering does not have any affect on our bets.
You should keep analyzing over the next few weeks and see if you can observe a pattern and then share with us in case you do.

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The way you are thinking about these games is totally wrong and it’s probably the highest reason of why gamblers lose too much money while gambling: thinking that if you lose 3 or 4 times arrow that there is a bigger chance to win the next time around and that’s why they think it’s a good chance to rise their bet and end up losing too much.
Every single bet is separated and has the same chance of winning or losing every single time you gamble. You may lose 5 times arrow and keep losing the sixth and seventh times also. And maybe the opposite. So wagering it has nothing to do with the chance of winning in any betting or gambling game, Slots or Live table games…..

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 12:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

That's a false assumption. What you experience in a short period of time does not mean it will happen consistently. It's essential to be realistic and stick with the principle behind the house edge. All provably fair games have a house edge, and regardless of the percentage of the house edge, it still favors the casino in the long run. As gamblers, the more we gamble, the more our chances of winning will reduce, especially if we aim to earn consistently, as that would only lead us to gamble more.

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