Topic: Do wager affect outcomes in any provably fair games - page 5. (Read 1252 times)
No it's work completely fine without based on what you wager on each bet and it's outcome that's why it's probably fair as you can verify the bet to check if it was genuine or not.So you need to be lucky in these bets while the system have it's own algorithm that can turn profits to you on any bet but what you are assuming is not right.
No. I don't think RTP works that way. IMHO.
For me, there's a ratio. Like 1 win:5 loss or worst. Then, there's your seed on how it behaves. I got a seed now that gives a large amount of multi wins but it takes a long time before it hits those numbers. So, I always try to divide my balance by 1000 bets and I doubt it will not hit a big one at that number.
My actual ratio is 1:6 but sometimes it gets worst after a big multi-win. Like 1:10 or it will try to still give me something but with small amounts like 1.3x - 3.00x only for a long span of time until it gets back what it loss. Even if you wager many dollars it doesn't mean it will give back. The only thing you get is the rakeback or winning the wager race.
For me, there's a ratio. Like 1 win:5 loss or worst. Then, there's your seed on how it behaves. I got a seed now that gives a large amount of multi wins but it takes a long time before it hits those numbers. So, I always try to divide my balance by 1000 bets and I doubt it will not hit a big one at that number.
My actual ratio is 1:6 but sometimes it gets worst after a big multi-win. Like 1:10 or it will try to still give me something but with small amounts like 1.3x - 3.00x only for a long span of time until it gets back what it loss. Even if you wager many dollars it doesn't mean it will give back. The only thing you get is the rakeback or winning the wager race.
I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
There are always regrets after playing gambling even though I won the game.When betting, I often stick with big bets in order to get big wins too, but when I see that the balance is starting to run low and the wins don't come, it makes me in a dilemma to keep playing at high bets, which in the end I lower my bets to higher ones. small and I got the victory there.
Or when I get a win at the beginning of the game, which can trigger me to continue to increase my bet in order to get a big win even though the opposite happens, I spend the results of the victory I got at the beginning of the match. it's hard to be consistent to keep the number of bets, but this is really fun and have you ever experienced something similar?
Since you said you lower your bets and stake high and it comes out victorious why not stick to that patterns and make like 2-4 predictions in a slip and stake with a high fund, if you do this successfully for some consequitive days you could earn a lot more profit than what you've lost in the past.
That is opposite from my experience , because mostly i am winning in my first few bets but the problem is when i continued playing because those are the time that i am completely losing but since of my previous wins? i chase my losses ending me losing everything.
I hate my attitude after but that is how gambling comes to me.
so yeah we have different experience mate.
Your username perfectly suits you. Honestly, everyone chased their losses at some point of time in their lives, but only few openly talk about it like you for various reasons which is pretty gutsy.I hate my attitude after but that is how gambling comes to me.
so yeah we have different experience mate.
I chase my losses now and then, but I stop myself from crossing certain limits in order to avoid bigger losses. It all comes down to self control at the end of the day.
and with your last comment? sounds like you are the Bitterguy and not me
If there's a gambler think it's impossible to lose more than 10 streaks, they should gamble using martingale strategy because based on math if you gamble using this strategy, you will not lose. There's always a comeback moment and will recover all of your previous losses.
Off the topic a bit, but there are two problems with Martingale.
1.) You don't have infinitely budget.
2.) Max bet.
not unless you are a willing loser , then continue using martingale hehe
Regarding what you said, it seems that there is some truth, because when you bet only with a small amount of money, it is very easy to win, but when you increase the number of bets, it is even bigger, only defeats are always there, maybe this is a way of working in betting, but I still confused why this could happen.
This is just an impression and it's false. Maybe you got this impression because when a lot of money is in stake, losing affects you more.If the game is provably fair then the bet amount does not affect the outcome. In provably fair algorithms, some variable are used to generate the results and the bet amount is not one of them.
If it was, then the game is not fair and the casino is cheating you.
But placing bets also won't be able to give us the win we hope for because it will depend on our luck. We can only win by luck, and I'm not sure a strategy can be used repeatedly, so we should have more strategy. And we can only try to use those strategies one by one without knowing which strategy will work. And if the strategy succeeds in giving win, we should not pin our hopes on that strategy because circumstances may change, and the previous strategy cannot be applied in the next round. And when you have won, remember to stop immediately and not try other strategies or place higher bets because that could mean you will experience lose. The casino will not allow us always to win, so after we win, we should stop before we experience a losing streak.
So it is very important to depend less on skills or strategy and pay more attention to luck and gambling only with an amount we can let go.
I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?
When you place a bet it is good because you can win it and it may be your luck too. If you regularly gamble and win bets then it will be profitable for you. And if you know any strategy to win the bet then you can continue gambling. But if it happens that you win the bet only due to luck then don't go deep into gambling then it can be risky for you. Because if your luck is good at one time then you can win the bet and at other times if you bet more money then there is a possibility of losing. So you always adopt good strategies and bet accordingly then you may be able to profit but should not bet all the time.How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?
I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
There are always regrets after playing gambling even though I won the game.When betting, I often stick with big bets in order to get big wins too, but when I see that the balance is starting to run low and the wins don't come, it makes me in a dilemma to keep playing at high bets, which in the end I lower my bets to higher ones. small and I got the victory there.
Or when I get a win at the beginning of the game, which can trigger me to continue to increase my bet in order to get a big win even though the opposite happens, I spend the results of the victory I got at the beginning of the match. it's hard to be consistent to keep the number of bets, but this is really fun and have you ever experienced something similar?
Have I been there before? Big bets, small gains, no bets, mixed results. It is similar to what you say, but sometimes it is the opposite or something entirely distinct
Why not continue placing large bets in light of the dilemma you described? Or tiny? Or otherwise? It's hard to say, but it's either enjoyable or not enjoyable, depending on how it proceeds. That's wagering, whether you like it or not
I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
There are always regrets after playing gambling even though I won the game.When betting, I often stick with big bets in order to get big wins too, but when I see that the balance is starting to run low and the wins don't come, it makes me in a dilemma to keep playing at high bets, which in the end I lower my bets to higher ones. small and I got the victory there.
Or when I get a win at the beginning of the game, which can trigger me to continue to increase my bet in order to get a big win even though the opposite happens, I spend the results of the victory I got at the beginning of the match. it's hard to be consistent to keep the number of bets, but this is really fun and have you ever experienced something similar?
I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?
When you place a bet it is good because you can win it and it may be your luck too. If you regularly gamble and win bets then it will be profitable for you. And if you know any strategy to win the bet then you can continue gambling. But if it happens that you win the bet only due to luck then don't go deep into gambling then it can be risky for you. Because if your luck is good at one time then you can win the bet and at other times if you bet more money then there is a possibility of losing. So you always adopt good strategies and bet accordingly then you may be able to profit but should not bet all the time. How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?
If there's a gambler think it's impossible to lose more than 10 streaks, they should gamble using martingale strategy because based on math if you gamble using this strategy, you will not lose. There's always a comeback moment and will recover all of your previous losses.
Off the topic a bit, but there are two problems with Martingale.
1.) You don't have infinitely budget.
2.) Max bet.
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?
Nah. Assuming it is a fair game, wager amount does NOT have any influence on the game outcome.
It's not that every time you play the chances of you winning increases, it's just that the pool of results that you use to "think" about your chances of winning/losing increases, so there's more info you can use to identify. As I've said before, each game is independent of the previous games, so a 10-loss streak or more is completely possible. Though some may argue that a "streak" theoretically has a low chance of happening, that's if you take into account that you "lost" the last round, gambling games don't do that.
If there's a gambler think it's impossible to lose more than 10 streaks, they should gamble using martingale strategy because based on math if you gamble using this strategy, you will not lose. There's always a comeback moment and will recover all of your previous losses.But the question is, how many gambler are making money versus how many gambler are always losing? we're know the answer and it also indirectly answer how legit is martingale strategy.
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The only way a wager can affect the outcome of the of the game is in the area where the gambler tries to meet up with the wager requirement and in the process loses the bet at the end, this is what is most likely to be the most frustrating experience.
I think wager affect the amount of winnings but it will never affect the percentage chance of winnings. Since the winning amount is dependent on how much we are wagering, it is the sector where wager affect the amount money to be won and besides that, wager does not affect anything at all (except the one stated as a requirement).
I don't think so, in my opinion, it's just one of mind biases.
What you think is correct, even if you have no arguments to back it up other than that you simply think so. You have the reason in the first reply:
No...... there are no link between previous bets and future bets...
To think otherwise is a fallacy well known as the gambler's fallacy. But no matter how many times it is explained, there are hundreds of millions of people who think otherwise.
I don't think so, in my opinion, it's just one of mind biases.
The only way a wager can affect the outcome of the of the game is in the area where the gambler tries to meet up with the wager requirement and in the process loses the bet at the end, this is what is most likely to be the most frustrating experience.
I think wager affect the amount of winnings but it will never affect the percentage chance of winnings. Since the winning amount is dependent on how much we are wagering, it is the sector where wager affect the amount money to be won and besides that, wager does not affect anything at all (except the one stated as a requirement).
But wager doesn't have anything to do with the probable fairness of the games and the casino is always acting along with that fact, so it may not have any effect in direct proportion but its effect is in indirect proportion and the gambler is at the receiving end of that.
True that, the Random Number Generator affects the result of the game, and its being provably fair can be tested by testing the generated seed of the bet.
So far, I have never been able to find a bright spot for fairness in a casino game. I even consider it a natural thing that doesn't need to be investigated anymore, because gambling sites have many games to be able to make profits and reduce the number of losses as small as possible.
I don't think so. Most reputable casino sites that we use these days does not link our bets with previous ones.
Most of these sites use the provably fair algorithm which shows that every bet is individual and wagering does not have any affect on our bets.
You should keep analyzing over the next few weeks and see if you can observe a pattern and then share with us in case you do.
Most of these sites use the provably fair algorithm which shows that every bet is individual and wagering does not have any affect on our bets.
You should keep analyzing over the next few weeks and see if you can observe a pattern and then share with us in case you do.
You're correct and what's happening to OP and others is just a coincidence, there's no relationship or link between how much we wager and our wins. The system used by the casino is very fair. If you win your bets you win without any alterations, if casinos are cheating it will be obvious.
Any casinos that's using the amount you wager to determine if you'll win your bet or increase your chances of winning isn't a fair casino and you shouldn't be using the casino to bet. Just observe the casino more and when you noticed a pattern you report the casino so we avoid them.
Sometimes it's how your luck work but you'll think that's how the casino is programed, there are people when they're gambling and they wager small amount they won't win but when they increase the wager they win while others it's the other way that it works for them.
The interesting thing is that all of them may be right, because their sample is n=1, so it is an experiment in which there is only one subject (themselves) trying to prove or disprove an statistical fact, so that is obviously the perfect setup for failure. The correct expression should by "I loose when I raise the bets, with a margin of error of 100% on this".
That’s true and also, since you are playing more you are just increasing your chance of winning and that’s why you think the system works better if you gamble longer which I think is still depend how lucky you are. Remember those machines are programmed for the benefits of the house, so don’t expect to win always and just enjoy playing, the more you wager the more your chance of winning, just be mindful with your budget.
It's not that every time you play the chances of you winning increases, it's just that the pool of results that you use to "think" about your chances of winning/losing increases, so there's more info you can use to identify. As I've said before, each game is independent of the previous games, so a 10-loss streak or more is completely possible. Though some may argue that a "streak" theoretically has a low chance of happening, that's if you take into account that you "lost" the last round, gambling games don't do that. 
I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?
On which gambling site you have noticed that please? Because if the website is really provably fair, this kind of thing shouldn't happen if you change/ use a client seed. Because the final outcome normally only depends of the client and server seeds and the nonce. So if you change your client seed after having the hash of the server one, there is no way to cheat you. How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?
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