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Quote from: delfastTions on August 03, 2023, 03:22:03 AM

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

Each game is design of course to give advantage to the house so expect losing first before small recovery , not unless you are the lucky one that wins comes easily such time.
and don't look straight to that Provably fair because that is not completely happening when we are dealing in those sites.

I think that a provably fair game should be fairly player neutral. This is precisely the whole essence of provable honesty algorithms in general.

However, of course, sometimes, by claiming that there is provable fairness in a particular game, an unscrupulous and dishonest casino may well use such a claim as a bait for players who think that they have the same chances to win as the casino. Although in fact this mechanism is used a little cunningly and it is extremely difficult to prove that there is a small deviation from equally probable events. So you should still treat provable honesty more like an advertising slogan than a real provision of equal chances to win.
In my opinion, this is how it works.

Exactly! The concept of provably fair algorithms is indeed intended to ensure fairness and neutrality for players. However, it is true that some unscrupulous casinos may use this idea as a marketing tactic to trick players into thinking they have the same chance of winning as the casino. We have already seen examples of casinos that either did not apply provably fair algorithms even though they claimed they do, or applied them in a wrong way so that they still enabled the manipulation of results on their part.

Proving the authenticity and effectiveness of provably fair algorithms can sometimes be a real challenge. Especially for the vast majority of gamblers who do not have the necessary skills or knowledge for such a thing. It's all about transparency, and good casinos should give clear info on how they ensure fairness. Independent audits and third-party certifications also help build trust with players.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

As much as I also believed this is the case, I wouldn't stay away with that mindset though. I mean the games you played are purely based on luck, so it doesn't matter if you bet small or increased the size of your bet.

Even in traditional based casinos, I see someone hits a good winning or bonus without putting much of a bet, or just the minimum. But on the other hand, the one sitting on his side, is playing a max bet but doesn't hit any, even on a normal spin.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

My own understanding of your statement is that the casino determine the outcome of a bet and you have more chances of winning when you wager your bet, I don't think that's possible because the outcome of gambling predictions are always determined by skills, strategies and luck and I don't think there's an interrelationship between the outcome of different bets, because the various outcomes can be determined by luck or your skills, and not the server.
Sometimes what you believe on works for you and that belief might attract goodluck and make you successful sometimes, according to your statement I've notice that you indirectly have a believe on wagering your bets and it works sometimes for you, this is not something that happens in general because some people might try this method and be unsuccessful but I works for you cause that's what you believe on therefore if you add some good skills to your believe you might be very lucky to win a jackpot someday.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

I don't think that your wager can have any effect on such games because they work in the way they are created and those games won't reward the gamblers who have gone through huge number of losses. The outcome of a game is determined randomly and if someone is lucky enough then the outcome is always positive. However, if someone isn't lucky then of course the result will always be loss or sequence of losses.

For me personally, i believe this is one of the reasons why most casinos design a reward system for their users, like in the weekly and monthly rewards, something totally outside the VIP system, like I've learnt on some casinos like stake and others, most of the time, the weekly and monthly bonus are shared based on how much a user have wagered in the course of the week and month, and those users who lost more of their wager in the course of this times respectively, get higher amount of money in the bonus, compared to the users who won most of their wager and lost just few.

I could be wrong about the explanation above though, but that is just how I've always and still see the weekly and monthly bonus system.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

I don't think that your wager can have any effect on such games because they work in the way they are created and those games won't reward the gamblers who have gone through huge number of losses. The outcome of a game is determined randomly and if someone is lucky enough then the outcome is always positive. However, if someone isn't lucky then of course the result will always be loss or sequence of losses.

The server doesn't really check for someone's wins or losses, it only works by the way its coded. Some of such games are coded in a way that they get updated based on the updated price of a coin while others have set their own timers. And, anyone who is lucky enough will of course get rewarded by such games because his luck will decide the outcome of his bets.

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Quote from: Reatim on August 03, 2023, 02:14:55 AM

Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

Each game is design of course to give advantage to the house so expect losing first before small recovery , not unless you are the lucky one that wins comes easily such time.
and don't look straight to that Provably fair because that is not completely happening when we are dealing in those sites.

Yes, it's true, because if the casino is proven fair, then there are casinos that go bankrupt, but we rarely find that, in fact, more gamblers become addicts and run out of money and assets, so it doesn't look like it's proven fair, because it's like an announcement to children that it's fair. but those of us who are adults can only laugh at that if it's fair we might be able to win the game but in fact we lose more.

But on the one hand there might also be some who win but unfortunately they can't control themselves so they keep playing and run out of winnings too, in fact this is also a casino game directing the player's mindset so that players cannot control and are given a win at the start so that they can read gamblers' behavior, if they can control it so they will come out after winning, but the fact is that greed is rather difficult to control. personally never get a win while playing casino games.

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Quote from: Reatim on August 03, 2023, 02:14:55 AM

Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

Each game is design of course to give advantage to the house so expect losing first before small recovery , not unless you are the lucky one that wins comes easily such time.
and don't look straight to that Provably fair because that is not completely happening when we are dealing in those sites.

Meanwhile, we also don't know whether the game provably fair. But I think as long as we play at a trusted casino, the casino will show they are fair. This can be seen from some of the gamblers who managed to win and some of them even won a lot of money. So maybe we only know about provable it's like that and don't know how it really is. And if you want to continue proving it, I don't think it will be easy because it takes time to prove it. Meanwhile, we will not be able to enjoy gambling time because we are preoccupied with writing Provably Fair.

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Quote from: Reatim on August 03, 2023, 02:14:55 AM

Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

Each game is design of course to give advantage to the house so expect losing first before small recovery , not unless you are the lucky one that wins comes easily such time.
and don't look straight to that Provably fair because that is not completely happening when we are dealing in those sites.

I think that a provably fair game should be fairly player neutral. This is precisely the whole essence of provable honesty algorithms in general.

However, of course, sometimes, by claiming that there is provable fairness in a particular game, an unscrupulous and dishonest casino may well use such a claim as a bait for players who think that they have the same chances to win as the casino. Although in fact this mechanism is used a little cunningly and it is extremely difficult to prove that there is a small deviation from equally probable events. So you should still treat provable honesty more like an advertising slogan than a real provision of equal chances to win.
In my opinion, this is how it works.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

Each game is design of course to give advantage to the house so expect losing first before small recovery , not unless you are the lucky one that wins comes easily such time.
and don't look straight to that Provably fair because that is not completely happening when we are dealing in those sites.

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Quote from: goaldigger on August 02, 2023, 05:59:22 PM

Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

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The more you gamble, the more you chance to win but increasing the wager doesn’t mean a sure win for you, again you are just increasing the probability and this is normal in gambling. There’s no calculation for this or else the system is broken, the house will always win and that’s how gambling works. This is actually the problem with some gamblers, they are increasing the wage amount for a thought of winning more, which is not a good way to win in gambling.

It's not that easy, in fact the more you gamble, the greater your chances of losing money because the house edge won't let you win just like that.
When an increase in the amount is made, the system will work and make you farther away from winning because when you win with an increased amount, you will definitely get profits and the casino will not accept this to happen.
Think about it, there are lots of cases where when we bet with a small amount, we can get wins, but when we bet with an increased amount, over time, the balance will get thinner until it just disappears.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,

How many times did this thing happen, if it was only once consider this as a lucky stroke, nothing more than that it never happened to me, and you are the first gambler that posted this

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How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

You cannot be sure of your probability to win, you have a house edge to deal win you can win of course, but there's nothing to follow that will lead you to the pattern of winning, you will learn along the way that there's no pattern to follow you have to do a lot of variation and if you follow a pattern do not expect the result that you wanted.

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Quote from: coin-investor on August 02, 2023, 06:11:14 PM

Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

No, it doesn't work that way, if there are patterns we'll have no casino existing now, don't fool yourself the martingale method seems like a good pattern at what one looks but it will never work nor all the variations of martingale.

I highly agree, when I was a beginner at gambling I thought I found the magic formula using the martingale method so I was so brave on testing this method which ends up in a very bad result. I also try different methods but all of them failed in the long run. That made me realized that gambling in a luck-based game will always have a random result and there is no such fix pattern of bet results.

Quote from: coin-investor on August 02, 2023, 06:11:14 PM

What you should know is there is a house edge that you are up against and you have to deal with it not finding any pattern that will make you win, just do a lot of variations, especially in keno and dice have fun and if you're lucky you could hit the jackpot, jackpot seems to come when you least expect it, that's makes gambling fun, it's not a drill that you will do to expect the result that you want.

Yeah house edge really make us at a disadvantage, even though it is not that huge of a percentage but it hurts when it kicks in.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

No, it doesn't work that way, if there are patterns we'll have no casino existing now, don't fool yourself the martingale method seems like a good pattern at what one looks but it will never work nor all the variations of martingale.

What you should know is there is a house edge that you are up against and you have to deal with it not finding any pattern that will make you win, just do a lot of variations, especially in keno and dice have fun and if you're lucky you could hit the jackpot, jackpot seems to come when you least expect it, that's makes gambling fun, it's not a drill that you will do to expect the result that you want.

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Quote from: Yatsan on August 02, 2023, 12:30:33 PM

Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

More of coincidence, I think. Try doing it with consistency and as you've said, you made a change with your betting scheme which make you observe slight changes with the results as well. And I think there's no basis of this. Everything's based on our fate and luck when itcomes to the outcome of our bet. Wager has nothing to do or has no direct relationship with the betting outcome. I'vve been gambling for years but I saw no such thing. Also, if there is then I 'd rather be worried 'coz it simply means patterns are too visible and there are variables affecting the result. So I hope things are fine.

The wager mechanism os there to make more money for the casino and at the same time help regulators to monitor the gambling inflow of the player and the inflow of money into the balance on the casino to avoid it being used for money laundering scheme.

But there is no modalities that connect wagering with probably fairness of the game and it has nothing to do with the result or the outcome of the bets.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

The more you gamble, the more you chance to win but increasing the wager doesn’t mean a sure win for you, again you are just increasing the probability and this is normal in gambling. There’s no calculation for this or else the system is broken, the house will always win and that’s how gambling works. This is actually the problem with some gamblers, they are increasing the wage amount for a thought of winning more, which is not a good way to win in gambling.

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No, the wager amount doesn't have snything to do with the outcomes of the gambling game. It might look like the lower we bet the lower chances of winning do we have but it could all be coincidence. We can't base things only on ur observation or in the outcome patterns but that really isn't the basis. Keep in mind that you can also have the worse result no matter how big your wagering amount is or vice versa. I don't think there's an accurate basis to think that our wagering amount could change the result.

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When playing on a probably fair games there is possibility of result repeating twice or more and as random as it is it has nothing to do with your wagering as a determinant, it was just your lucky day enjoy it while it last. Except they are not probably fair games but if they are then anything out of the ordinary is a coincidence just like other members has emphasized. There's no way out previous bets can have any link with the outcome of our next bet. In gambling luck comes in different ways.

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

Coincidence. Forcing patterns into something we don't understand is something normal so I understand you forcing it like this, but it doesn't really happen. Each bet is, in essence, a separate chance from its previous bets, unless the game states otherwise. The calculations behind it afaik uses algorithms that create pseudo-random results based on, well, randomness. In essence seeing a pattern is just your brain playing with you. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have noticed that a lot of your other losses/wins had no patterns as well since, well, they were random. And we don't use that to argue that bets are completely random no?

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Quote from: cafter on August 02, 2023, 01:03:26 AM

I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

This is more or less not the exact coincidence... Bet my nipples on that!
I haven't noticed anything of such - even during times I played virtuals games like what you just listed above.. games don't begin to swirl in your of predictions because you've wagered funds - afterall, you're not the only one wagering ( that's if it's on virtual games ) ... So different results and balance topup are made immediately after the game ends, not because you wagered. severs don't even send signals nor duplicate/manipulate games...

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Past bets do not affect future bets, nor the total wagered amount do not automatically alter your chances in winning. It's just something that you are forcing yourself to believe because you are consistently losing when you haven't bet anything and started to believe something when you are starting to win. The human mind really is fascinating, as it will sometimes refuse reason just to believe what it wants to believe.

If losing more in casinos does more positives than negatives, I'm pretty sure a lot of people will just blindly play at the casino and intentionally lose their funds there in order to get a positive return, but that's not the case unfortunately.

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