Topic: Do wager affect outcomes in any provably fair games - page 6. (Read 1256 times)

I think wager affect the amount of winnings but it will never affect the percentage chance of winnings.  Since the winning amount is dependent on how much we are wagering, it is the sector where wager affect the amount money to be won and besides that, wager does not affect anything at all (except the one stated as a requirement).



True that, the Random Number Generator affects the result of the game, and its being provably fair can be tested by testing the generated seed of the bet.

The only way a wager can affect the outcome of the of the game is in the area where the gambler tries to meet up with the wager requirement and in the process loses the bet at the end,  this is what is most likely to be the most frustrating experience.

But wager doesn't have anything to do with the probable fairness of the games and the casino is always acting along with that fact,  so it may not have any effect in direct proportion but its effect is in indirect proportion and the gambler is at the receiving end of that.

That’s true and also, since you are playing more you are just increasing your chance of winning and that’s why you think the system works better if you gamble longer which I think is still depend how lucky you are. Remember those machines are programmed for the benefits of the house, so don’t expect to win always and just enjoy playing, the more you wager the more your chance of winning, just be mindful with your budget.

Of course it should not be a factor on your chances of winning.
I would say that if a casino game which actually increases your chances of winning while having a big wager, it would be dishonest if it is not publicized as part of a game mechanic.

Any kind of change in the performance of your sessions through time should be considered as the result of the randomness of the game. While gambling, do not seek for patterns, because those most likely do not have a direct correlation with your wins or losses.  Only the scientific method can be used to verify or discard correlations.

So you've done the maths and concluded that, in the end, everything comes down to chance? Of course, you may take that tack of thinking about it. When I was younger and would stay up playing games till the wee hours of the morning, I often had the same thought: "Any minute now, luck will start favouring me."

However, my perspective has changed with time. The more I play the more I see patterns, even in random events. While these methods lack scientific rigour, in the realm of gambling, it often your instincts that guide you. Im not arguing with you, but we shouldnt place everything on the luck square just yet.

I also see it that way, in a casino when we are playing a game where things could go well and we are on a good run, it has happened to me that I think I know what numbers are going to come out or what numbers are not going to come out, what routines can be the ones that They may be the most optional, but greed sometimes means that when we have some money already earned in the game, we don't settle but continue playing, this makes any game about dice, whatever, that's why I think that things can be better when greed doesn't exist in us, for me it's probably just when I'm having a winning streak, then I start to lose every bet I make, I don't know sometimes as players it seems that the casino is giving us take the money and it's not like that.

Very well said bud, those who believe or believed that taking a beak while gambling and in losses helps improve the outcome of the game when the gambler returns, have for sure been in error, one thing i know, and is very sure of , is that taking a break helps the gambler cub or reduce their losses since the luck is not on their side at that time, and even when the gambler comes back, there is still a 50 percent chance that he might continue losing from where he stopped the last time, there is no guarantee of any kind.

Secondly is that, it helps the gambler calm down, at that particular time the game is on and the gambler is experiencing losses on every bet, it is very normal for such gambler to be tensed up, i am a gambler myself and i understand this things perfectly, while you are tensed up, there is every possible that you will start making decisions from your heart, rather than from you head, when you start making decisions from your heart, it means emotion is already involved, and that is how gamblers gamble themselves into depression, so taking a beak helps avoid such circumstances.

There are still other benefits of taking break, but amongst all, the chances of winning still solely depends on luck and not wager history.

It is true that gambling is generally based on luck and no one should be compared. Not everyone has the same knowledge and skills and no one can guarantee when someone will win so it is better to stop betting if there is a chance of losing rather than greedy in the hope of winning more. Addiction usually doesn't fix you after winning. He wants to win more and hence the probability of losing increases. Participating in gambling often leads to addiction. If you lose, you try to recover the lost money and if you win, you are motivated to make more money. There is no end to this cycle.

There is possiblity for this but having such mindset could make a bettor to chase back his losses because if he plays many times and didn't win then a dude who plays just few times maybe two or three times happen to win, it looks like he is not favoured and he starts to wager more in chasing for his own win. I think the right mindset is that if it is not working for you then wait for the next time. A luck base game doesn't really require how many times you wager .

Your username perfectly suits you. Honestly, everyone chased their losses at some point of time in their lives, but only few openly talk about it like you for various reasons which is pretty gutsy.

I chase my losses now and then, but I stop myself from crossing certain limits in order to avoid bigger losses. It all comes down to self control at the end of the day.

We are all there at one time, thinking that the more you lose the more likely your luck is very closer but it doesn't matter what games you are playing, gambling is a game of luck, someone who plays everyday to get a good hit is not different from someone who plays twice a week, it's game of luck.

Gamblers who gamble often can have good numbers of hit than gamblers that gamble every time. Many gamblers don't know this but I have experimented myself that's how I know all this, always have in mind that gambling is a game of luck, gambling irresponsibly starts when you think otherwise.

That is opposite from my experience , because mostly i am winning in my first few bets but the problem is when i continued playing because those are the time that i am completely losing but since of my previous wins? i chase my losses ending me losing everything.
I hate my attitude after but that is how gambling comes to me.
so yeah we have different experience mate.

Usually, the wager requires you to use deposit money X times so if you can fulfill it and win some money, the casino will allow you to withdraw the money. That's all you have to pay attention to and that's why if you want to take a promotional bonus, you have to pay attention to how many times you need to bet while seeing if you can afford to do it or choose to skip the promotional bonus. I don't always take the promotion bonus because I look at my abilities before deciding. And if the wagering requirements are too high, I'll leave and wait for another promotional bonus I can afford.

Did you mean to say nonce instead of RNG! RNG are only used to create the server seed. The main advantage of provably fair systems is that there is no need for randomly generated numbers (which open the door for manipulation) when generating the results.
OP, you need to know that if the game is truly provably fair then each bet is independent from the previous one. It doesn't matter how long your losing streak is,  this won't change the odds of the actual bet.

I am not expert in this but with my experiences with multiplier is that,  the more you increase the multiplier you reduce your winning chances,  so I believe your losing is as the result of increased multiplier if you have continued to play with low multiplier,  it could have been better even though your rewards may be small and it can take a lot of time to arrive at a tangible amount in winning but you sure that your losing chances are minimal at this stage.

So in your next plinko session, you should avoid raising the multiplier obviously,  and you may have more positive results than you experience previously.

when I played plinko there were times when I lost a lot, but then I started to win, so when I lost I increased the multiplier in the next round and in a few games I managed to win, for example with 5$ I managed to win until I reached 13$, i should have stopped playing when i had 13$ but kept playing hoping i could make the 13$ would be more than that, what happened next was a huge disaster, i started to have a losing streak, even when I increased the multiplier anyway I kept having a losing streak

I've been putting only the lowest amount in each round, but even with that it wasn't enough to make me lose everything, after a few hours of play my balance was at 0$, if there's one thing I noticed on that disastrous day it was that games of chance that depend on luck are very dangerous and must be played with a lot of discipline, the risk of having a losing streak and losing everything quickly is something real, games of chance that depend on luck should not be underestimated, with that means that what happened to you is something that has happened to other people, and I consider it bad luck, there is nothing wrong with the casino

the games are demonstrably fair, but have a nature where the people who play are destined to lose, few are lucky enough to win, but when those same people who have won calculate how much they have won in relation to how much they have lost, they find that they are still with high losses, their victory only reduced the high losses, and this is what has happened

That generally happens with slot machines because they have a certain RTP (Return To Player) which makes the game return a specific percentage of the amount wagered back to the player, so if you have wagered $50 and the RTP is 50% for example, you will get back $25 through a win during your session, but I'm not really sure if games like keno, dice, limbo, crash, and others have RTPs or not, if they do, it's because of that, if they don't it's just based on your luck.

I've seen people hitting very big multipliers when playing on slot machines on their first spin, so it happens in gambling where sometimes you win a significant amount at the beginning and sometimes you don't win anything even after a lot of spins, a wise gambler would feel this and stop when they see there are no wins at all.

While breaks might introduce a sense of randomness, it's important to remember that gambling outcomes are inherently probabilistic and not influenced by previous results. The perception of improved results after breaks could be due to various factors, including luck or variance. It's crucial to approach gambling with an understanding of the odds and probabilities, rather than relying solely on breaks to influence outcomes.

While that is true I personally think this fact holds true when betting continuously for a longer time.
But if we take casual breaks in between then it breaks the streak and the next time when we return lets say a day later or two, then we get better results.
I have observed this happening multiple times which is why I tend to breaks inbetween and get better returns.

You right, like in my previous comment, I explained an experience i had with a friend of mine, if that did not happen in my very eyes, I would have doubted and call it a lie possibly, but i saw the bet history my myself, and aside my friend , there are many other lucky gamblers out there who have won money on their first try gambling, so yeah, amount one have wagered have nothing to do with the possibility of winning, if this was so, old time gamblers will be super rich, and most casinos will be at a big loss since the old time gamblers will keep winning constantly judging from the amount of money they have spent on the casino in the previous years.

So yeah, OPs experience is nothing but a mere coincidence, happens to every gambler from time to time,.