Topic: Do wager affect outcomes in any provably fair games - page 3. (Read 1256 times)

This is what I believe, wager affect the amount of money the player can win.  Since the amount of reward in casino games is dependent on the amount of money being wagered especially on dice and slots.  The result or the probability of winning is not affected by the amount of money wagered instead it is affected by the Random Number Generator (RNG) except sports betting.  With these long discussion I believe we have established and have answered @OP question about wager and outcome relations ship.


This is a gambler's fallacy and has no proven scientific proof that it is correct.  This fallacy may work on one player but won't on another.  But despite that the only sure thing is that when are winning we must quick asap in order to bag those funds.

Exactly, some people tend to have strange beliefs and superstitions when it comes to gambling, and they forget the fact that the outcome of each bet is solely dependent on our luck and nothing else, so a wagering cap or a number of bets done at the beginning of the losses occurred at first don't really have any effect on the outcome of the next bet and none of that makes someone win or lose. But some people just don't get it and they don't even listen or understand.

These are the kind of people think that certain numbers, specific times of the day, a specific bankroll amount, and a lot of other stuff make a difference in their gambling activities and they either tend to win or lose based on these things so they always take care of these things before they start to gamble which I find hilarious as you said.

It is essentially false to think that increasing one's wager will increase the likelihood of winning. By its very nature, gambling is unpredictable, yet the odds in these games are predetermined. It is stupid to believe that increasing your stake will allow you to game the system. Those who continue to believe this are fucking dumb. Its like dropping money into a pit in the hopes that more will miraculously appear. This approach will ultimately result in huge financial losses.

The amount you wager has no bearing on the outcome in games of chance like slots. Larger wagers just magnify possible losses. The significance of comprehending the mathematics underlying these games and taking precautions cannot be emphasized enough.

There is no problem with that difference, because it must be underlined that what I said was indeed from my experience. And everyone has different experiences which in turn will have different responses for each of us. And our goal is the same, which is to try to control ourselves, right? We don't have to take the same path to reach the top, but we can take any path to reach the same goal.
Maybe I succeeded that way, and you succeeded in a different way. The point here is how we get to that point, the point where we can control everything, even if in different ways.

But sometimes the casino provides promotions related to a sporting event, so the casino will also provide wagering requirements. But casinos and only games of luck rarely do it have wagering requirements so gamblers should be aware and check the requirements before trying to participate.

Making a strategy requires good skills and analysis so that the strategy can be successful. But we also still need luck so that the strategy works. But if our strategy has not worked, we have to learn more.

Some casino offer their system calculations with the odds given by the game itself but some of them are not, so in this statement, this is not always happening some gamblers to their first game makes a hit of the rewards, jackpots, etc. This is most likely just speculation of the players, for example, if they didn't make a win in the first try, they speculate for the next coming to try it works, and vice versa on it, or if they win in the first try they win and they think the luck is with them. Players keep playing to increase the odds of winning that's all.

Superstition is one thing gamblers believe in so much but their believes is not always true although if it works for them then they can keep using it to win more bets. Some people believe the more they wager the higher their chances of winning and it works for them that way.

But the truth is that they increase their chances if losing when they increase their wager but since it hasn't disappointed them they will think that's how the system works but they're just been lucky with their bets. Wagers doesn't affect the outcome of any probably fair games.

You can't predict games that depends on luck for a gambler to win, slots games and the games been mentioned are all luck based games so neither increasing or lowing your wager will affect the fairness of the game. To prevent losing much, I'll advise to using smaller wagers.

I completely agree with you, and also think you shared a very good information on that RNG stuff, not very many gamblers know very much about Random Number Generation, i myself have come across this information some where on the internet before but i just ran through it quickly by reading, but did not pay attention enough to understand its workability.

Anyways, Ops question has been answered on every comment on this thread, almost every user coming here is just saying the same thing as the previous use, if i should suggest, i think its time already that Op lock this thread, as i see nothing more to discuss here aside spammers hijacking the thread to start their spamming spree, just my opinion though.

It won't increase your chances on winning. Games like keno, limbo, dice use Random Number Generation (RNG) it's not predictable so it's a fair play game. Maybe you're just in luck when you put a higher wager that you win some big. Also most online casino do provide transparency including odds, how many percentage will your payout will be and any limitation. But it's still depends on RNG process that they're using to select winning numbers. Also it depends on games algorithm if its properly designed and the house edge is disclosed. In short you're just lucky to win some when you put a huge wager the time you play.

or sometimes , the AI or the system is reading our losses so they are giving us consolation ? am not sure about that but at least there is a possibilities right?
actually what i am not completely believing in that probably fair, because there is a fairness but not totality of what they are promising us.

You are right. It's like gamblers are just trying to find excuses to continue gambling.
When they are having a bad day and lose too much they will simply say: bad luck won't continue for too long and if I make few more bets, I'll surely win.
On the other side, when a gambler is having a good day and is winning, he will also continue playing thinking that this is his lucky day and he can't lose.
Most gamblers believe more in superstitions than they believe in odds.

If only it's a skill-based game then this can be true and it was the experience that makes us increase our winning chance. For the luck-based games, the results are entirely random. There are times that I am bad luck and try to redeposit again but the results I get are still the same.

There was one time my deposit reach five times and all are purely a loss. There are also times where I get lucky to win, withdraw the money, redeposit and my results are still fine but of course, this can only happen rarely as casinos are no way of giving money to their consumers just like that. A losing or a winning streak do also has to do with the odds of the game we are playing.

Wagering does not affect the outcome of the results of the gambling games. It is only an illusion in our mind and when we do a lot of gambling and then face losses, they will try to find excuses for our loss and blame the casino that they have developed a system to purposely lose the games of the person wagering beyond certain limits.

This is not true at all. A trusted casino will never do so and they will let you verify each bet that it is probably fair. Although you need to be intelligent enough to figure out what is probably fair and how to verify it. Many new gamblers aren't aware of it and they just find lame excuses for their losses.

The topic of self restrictions or control in gambling have become a trending topic in recent time and that is because,  ther have been rising cases of excessive gambling in recent time and just like I have said in the other similar thread of discussion like this,  it is important to always commemorate our words with efforts because of the many lies that ride with wagering and trying to chase a particular conditions e.g signing up for a high wager conditions bonuses.

Since many believe that,  their luck to win may increase when their wager more which have always proven to be a lie since the higher your wagering the higher your chances of losing although that doesn't mean you will not be lucky to win some hit at the end your losing ratio will be higher than your winning so ultimately it becomes a bad idea.

I can’t agree on this logic because this is the exact same thing experienced taught me when I’m gambling. I’m more cautious now on my gambling whenever I’m losing a certain amount of money because my previous losses flashback to my memories that makes me scared and bet slowly in contrary to my previous self that will bet more to chase lose instead of slowing down.

It’s very hard to synchronize mind and body on gambling but by repetitive gambling makes it possible to attain.

It's hard if we have to harmonize what we think and what we do, but that doesn't mean we can't, it's just that we have to work harder. Experience should be something that will strengthen us. For example, we have set limits, and we violate them, which in the end becomes a regret. Now we don't want to repeat that mistake again, by remembering our regrets from the previous time. And the challenge is our own mind, of course there will be thoughts that are formed and our brain "we lost before, and maybe we can win big now" Lol. Again, I can speak like this because of experience.

Except for luck games, I do not see the requirement of wagering as skill games do not need wagering. The chance of winning in a skill game is like 20% as the chance does not work here. Only skills for analyzing the data for sports betting and the ability to bluff as well as the skill to count the card are needed in poker. I am not sure why you are adding a chance for such games as chance is for luck games that fall under provably fair.

Skill games do require strategy and you can only create multiple ones if you are skilled enough. I always felt that it is all about trying new and reapplying the old one if you want to make it big. Although there is zero guarantees a strategy would help to achieve win.

You are more than right with your statement, I have also seen many people saying that they should stop when the boundary is reached, but their greed makes them totally out of their mind and they end up doing more and more bets. I agree that some people can easily theorize that they won't be doing any more bets when the boundary is reached, but during betting the lost their track in the influence of the emotions. We must have to find a proper way to work on our own emotions in order to control our urges for more bets when the boundary is reached otherwise we won't be able to do anything.

If it's a luck-based game, we have to depend on our luck because we can only win with luck. But perhaps we can have more chances to win in gambling games that require skills other than luck so that with the analysis and strategy that we do, we can win. And indeed, the bet will not affect the outcome, especially if it is a luck-based gambling game.

Our strategy may be useful for skill-based gambling games, but we must remember that we also need luck. So no matter how many wagers we make, it won't mean anything if we don't have luck. So it's better to avoid chasing a win because it will be difficult even if we use a high wager.

We may also lose time to enjoy gambling as it should because we want to know how high the percentage of possible wins we can get by using each of these strategies. And, indeed, the possibility of us losing more money will be there, so I think we shouldn't even try it and just try to enjoy gambling as entertainment. After all, that's our goal in playing gambling, so we won't be fixated on always trying every strategy we make or get. I agree to try to control myself by not chasing wins or being too ambitious in gambling. If not, we will miss moments when we should be able to relax while playing gambling because we only think about chasing wins. And by using self-control, we can enjoy gambling as entertainment to release the tension in us.

And also we need to be able to stop at the point where the boundary is touched, I mean it's useless when we have boundaries but we can't stop at them. I'm sure everyone can set boundaries, but not everyone can stick to them. The reason here is that there are different things, namely theory and practice. We can theorize but in practice it's not as easy as what we say, right?
Again and again the real enemy is ourselves, we can't deny that, because in this case I also often struggle between my thoughts and feelings. Always different, and I think this is experienced by many people.