Do you think Lightlord behavior is acceptable? - page 4.

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Quote from: tranthidung on October 22, 2021, 12:04:03 AM

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 21, 2021, 11:05:46 PM

Lightlord's story could be true, it could be untrue--do any of us know him that well in real life to know the truth?

Quote from: Poker Player on October 21, 2021, 10:28:32 PM

It could or could not

Nobody knows. Most or all of us don't know lightlord in real life so we can not verify this story. I don't argue that whether it is true or not.

My points are

Additionally, assumes this story is true, the faster the negative feedback is removed, the better for his mental health that in turn helps him to recover better and faster.

Zodiac1233 knows lightlord IRL. Both of them have posted it in each other trust feedback. Maybe he knows about the actual condition of lightlord now. But none of the forum member knows Zodiac1233 as well. Will this discussion end if he pop-up here and says about lightlord illness?

However, Zodiac1233 should come forward and take the responsibility of lightlord to resolve all issue. Recently he resolved one issue here.
Currently lightlord is resolving the issues one by one. Judging from his illness post, if I were in his position then I would feel like ‘how cruel the forum members are’. He really deserve time if his condition is same like he said it in that post.

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Well, I'm out of this thread then.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on October 22, 2021, 06:58:59 AM

I was the one who previously criticized lightlord for his behavior but I don't understand some people still trying to crucify him now after he clearly said that he was injured by experimental medical product like many other people.

I do not know what you want me to answer to this demagoguery that shows that you have not read what we have said a few posts back, and if you have read it you have not wanted to know.

Quote from: dkbit98 on October 22, 2021, 06:58:59 AM

I don't know what you want? Him posting images and proof for losing weight and looking like a skeleton or showing his medical records?

Great demagoguery. Was he gravely ill when in 2017 The Pharmacist red tagged him? We he gravely ill when, before that, there were problems with late payments, although he was not left negative trust?

Quote from: dkbit98 on October 22, 2021, 06:58:59 AM

He obviously made a mistake not having some backup solution for cases like this, but please give the guy a break and allow him to recover if possible.

Again, great demagoguery. So now we are the ones to blame for Lightlord alleged bad health.

Quote from: dkbit98 on October 22, 2021, 06:58:59 AM

OP it's time to lock this topic.

It's time for you to report the topic to be locked if you are so sure about it.

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Quote from: NotATether on October 22, 2021, 07:32:25 AM

Source? (It's not in his post history).

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Unfortunately, I have fallen quite ill, and have been fighting for my life for the last 2 months. I had an adverse reaction to the second vaccine, and wasn't able to eat much, and struggling a lot. My weight dropped nearly 15 pounds in one month.
Pretty much a skeleton, but I seem to be getting better over time.
I am better than I was a month ago, and I should be able to return things back to semi-normal on things. I will process the campaign payments out, and try to address the late withdrawals, to get that back to more normal times.

https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5816/58167481.html

Enough sourced for you?

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Quote from: dkbit98 on October 22, 2021, 06:58:59 AM

I was the one who previously criticized lightlord for his behavior but I don't understand some people still trying to crucify him now after he clearly said that he was injured by experimental medical product like many other people.

Source? (It's not in his post history).

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I was the one who previously criticized lightlord for his behavior but I don't understand some people still trying to crucify him now after he clearly said that he was injured by experimental medical product like many other people.
I don't know what you want? Him posting images and proof for losing weight and looking like a skeleton or showing his medical records?
He obviously made a mistake not having some backup solution for cases like this, but please give the guy a break and allow him to recover if possible.
OP it's time to lock this topic.

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Who knows how much interest that guy made just by delaying people's payments.

Slick as fuck. And he has been doing this for years.

Way to go lite-lord!

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Quote from: tranthidung on October 22, 2021, 05:30:01 AM

I think this topic can be closed. We can not verify this story so let's this accusation opens can hurt lightlord, if he tells true story. It is why I did not join this topic before you guys brought my feedback to here.

I am going to remind you that neither I, nor those of us who have left him negative feedback and haven't changed it yet are the bad guys here. If anyone has done anything at least morally questionable it is him.

You can report the thread if you want. For my part it's the first time I've left a thread open by me going past page 5 without locking it. I have an idea of when to lock it in the future, but it's not going to be now because there is still meaningful discussion.

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Quote from: Rikafip on October 22, 2021, 01:17:50 AM

I am curious about one thing now; if he starts another project, would you work for him again?

If it is just about payment issue, nothing wrong if you keep working when issue was resolved and you can make a better deal. Previously, I did not deal about frequency of payment. I did not care about it much, just to save transaction fee for him and me as well. It's a win win situation, he spends less fee, I don't have to consolidate my inputs. Cheesy

There are other things to consider when I decide to take a job or not but it's different thing and is not discussed here.

Quote from: LoyceV on October 22, 2021, 04:46:16 AM

If the escrow gets ill, it's the same problem again. You can't prevent everything. Paying an escrow a fixed amount once every 2 months is less work than making weekly payments to many addresses.

This. I think weekly payment is perfect. It will give a win-win situation for all.

If there is issue, it is small one
If there is drama, it is small one
Less damage on reputation, less headache

I think this topic can be closed. We can not verify this story so let's this accusation opens can hurt lightlord, if he tells true story. It is why I did not join this topic before you guys brought my feedback to here.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 22, 2021, 04:46:16 AM

If the escrow gets ill, it's the same problem again. You can't prevent everything. Paying an escrow a fixed amount once every 2 months is less work than making weekly payments to many addresses.

I don't know if paying an escrow a fixed amount once every 2-3 weeks will make much of a difference to avoid problems.

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Quote from: lightlord on October 15, 2021, 06:28:17 AM

You could hold onto some of the funds, say pre-pay 2-3 weeks or so, provide a BTC address, and I'll top it off. Can relaunch both the 777coin and Bitvest campaigns, with 10% lower rates on all 777coin levels, and 15% lower rates on all Bitvest levels.

I agree 100% with The Pharmacist's comment:

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 21, 2021, 11:05:46 PM

1) This isn't the first time this has happened with him, and 2) He's obviously set up a gambling site and an accompanying signature campaign that doesn't have a fail-safe mechanism in place that would allow operations to continue should he get sick or otherwise become unable to do everything himself. Even if he's made improvements, I still don't trust that a debacle like this won't happen again.

To remove the negative feedback I would like to see a system that prevents this from happening again if he gets sick/dies/whatever. And it doesn't seem like refilling escrow every two weeks is a panacea.

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Quote from: Poker Player on October 21, 2021, 10:28:32 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on October 21, 2021, 01:14:37 PM

It looks like the current reason for late payments is different, and if an escrow takes over, it could be the last time payments were late.

It could or could not. Last time, in 2018, when there was a problem with late payments as well, and it was not the first time, the funds were held in escrow by the campaign manager. But if he doesn't fill the escrow on time, we have the same problem.

If the escrow gets ill, it's the same problem again. You can't prevent everything. Paying an escrow a fixed amount once every 2 months is less work than making weekly payments to many addresses.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 21, 2021, 11:05:46 PM

Lightlord's story could be true, it could be untrue--do any of us know him that well in real life to know the truth?

I'd say it's plausible, and it makes more sense than lightlord being out of money or just not caring anymore about the 2 (no doubt profitable) sites he owns.

Quote from: LoyceV on May 01, 2018, 07:57:32 AM

That's the gist of it, I personally wouldn't apply to any of his job offerings as I don't wanna put myself in the situation to basically beg to be paid for the work done.

Having to ask for your payment sucks big time indeed. After recovering, it might be good for lightlord to consider those small weekly payments mean a lot to some of the campaign participants on his payroll.

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Quote from: tranthidung on October 22, 2021, 12:53:45 AM

No, I do neither believe or disbelieve it. In my previous feedback - that was removed, I said lack of communication is unacceptable. Even if the user logged in multiple times. It seems the log-in activity has a purpose for something - business or personal purpose, we don't know. Anyway, if the condition is not too bad, a short reply would be enough.

First of all, I am glad that you got what you've been owned and that matter is settled now (albeit after community pressure and negative feedbacks) but I am curious about one thing now; if he starts another project, would you work for him again?

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 21, 2021, 11:05:46 PM

Even if he's made improvements, I still don't trust that a debacle like this won't happen again.

That's the gist of it, I personally wouldn't apply to any of his job offerings as I don't wanna put myself in the situation to basically beg to be paid for the work done. Few years ago I worked as a telegram admin, and I agreed with owner of the group to be paid on the weekly basis. Soon this week became a few, and I had to send him several PMs each time, reminding to get paid. It was incredibly frustrating experience because I knew guy was loaded and had millions, but he just didn't respect me enough to pay on time.

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Quote from: Poker Player on October 22, 2021, 12:44:05 AM

We're not talking about now, when he was supposedly sick, we're talking about this going back many years.

Neutral feedback to mark what happened is enough, in my opinion.

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Also, many of you are taking it for granted that he was sick. I am simply saying that I have no way of checking it and that, as The Pharmacist says

No, I do neither believe or disbelieve it. In my previous feedback - that was removed, I said lack of communication is unacceptable. Even if the user logged in multiple times. It seems the log-in activity has a purpose for something - business or personal purpose, we don't know. Anyway, if the condition is not too bad, a short reply would be enough.

Anyway, I changed it to neutral and I think it is enough. Previously, I made it negatively, because I think it catches more attention from lightlord. If he missed my PM, he can miss my neutral feedback - of course, miss or ignore, I don't know.

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Quote from: tranthidung on October 22, 2021, 12:04:03 AM

I don't see reasons to wait weeks or months to change feedback from negative to neutral, it does not make sense.

I do see a lot of sense in waiting. If he has traditionally been in no hurry to pay the money he owes, why should I be in a hurry to change the feedback?

That's the reason.

We're not talking about now, when he was supposedly sick, we're talking about this going back many years.

Also, many of you are taking it for granted that he was sick. I am simply saying that I have no way of checking it and that, as The Pharmacist says:

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 21, 2021, 11:05:46 PM

Lightlord's story could be true, it could be untrue--do any of us know him that well in real life to know the truth? I'm sorry, but if that statement was written by a member with less of a reputation, it would be criticized and dissected and analyzed under a microscope.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 21, 2021, 11:05:46 PM

Lightlord's story could be true, it could be untrue--do any of us know him that well in real life to know the truth?

Quote from: Poker Player on October 21, 2021, 10:28:32 PM

It could or could not

Nobody knows. Most or all of us don't know lightlord in real life so we can not verify this story. I don't argue that whether it is true or not.

My points are

When cases are resolved, I think it should be neutral feedback.
I don't see reasons to wait weeks or months to change feedback from negative to neutral, it does not make sense.
Additionally, assumes this story is true, the faster the negative feedback is removed, the better for his mental health that in turn helps him to recover better and faster.
If anything bad happens, it would be another story, in the future, not now

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Quote from: icopress on October 21, 2021, 12:20:19 PM

Therefore, it seems to me that a dozen negative feedbacks left to him are too much.

Stop looking into his pocket, because it's his own business how much dust to pay to the participants of the sig campaign.

Lightlord's story could be true, it could be untrue--do any of us know him that well in real life to know the truth? I'm sorry, but if that statement was written by a member with less of a reputation, it would be criticized and dissected and analyzed under a microscope.

Quote from: icopress on October 21, 2021, 12:20:19 PM

Therefore, it seems to me that a dozen negative feedbacks left to him are too much.

I respectfully disagree, because the truth is that 1) This isn't the first time this has happened with him, and 2) He's obviously set up a gambling site and an accompanying signature campaign that doesn't have a fail-safe mechanism in place that would allow operations to continue should he get sick or otherwise become unable to do everything himself. Even if he's made improvements, I still don't trust that a debacle like this won't happen again.

Quote from: icopress on October 21, 2021, 12:20:19 PM

Stop looking into his pocket, because it's his own business how much dust to pay to the participants of the sig campaign.

It might be dust to you, but if you're really thinking of a signature campaign as something where it's OK to delay payments for weeks because "fuck it, it's only dust" then you're not taking into account all the advertising the participants are doing for lightlord, which they've agreed to do for payment. It also might not be a trivial amount for a participant depending on what country they live in.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 21, 2021, 01:14:37 PM

It looks like the current reason for late payments is different, and if an escrow takes over, it could be the last time payments were late.

It could or could not. Last time, in 2018, when there was a problem with late payments as well, and it was not the first time, the funds were held in escrow by the campaign manager. But if he doesn't fill the escrow on time, we have the same problem.

I am open to change my feedback, but it's not going to be a week from now.

I will keep editing the OP, btw. In this case to reflect that tranthidung has changed the feedback to neutral.

As this post looks like it is going to be a long one, I think it is better that people seeing it for the first time have an accurate summary on the first page.

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Quote from: Rikafip on October 21, 2021, 02:36:56 AM

@tranthidung since he is more than 2 months late with the payment, as as you said no reply is unacceptable, maybe its time for more drastic measures as some said that he only sorts stuff out after being pressured, and couple of negative tags doesn't seem like its doing the trick.

@Rikafip and all,

It is what happened.

Things were smooth, as said. I trusted lightlord, worked for him and he processed my first payment for 4 weeks, in one batch, quick. It's perfect.
Then, I kept working, and still did not ask for payment and I even let it passes to 6 weeks, before I asked for payment again. This time, he replied to me, will process payment ASAP. No problem.
A few days later, something is strange with him, inactively, disappeared. No reply to me on all channel (Discord, forum, not sure I contacted him via Telegram or not) and in his project as well.
I still waited, sent a few PM, he still replied to me a few times and then totally disappeared. Then I waited again, after a few weeks (perhaps), I sent a PM in which I said, it is my last PM, if no reply, no payment, I will open a scam accusation.
The fact is he was still actively but more sparsely (one or two times per week rather than daily as previously) from which I guessed he has some issues - can be health, can be personal ones - that are reasons I kept waiting. Then, I saw a message from his dev, not him - on Discord, that he is ill
Next, I waited again. Because I thought he deserves good time to recover ^{like LoyceV and icopress said}. No more PM, no accusation, no feedback
Next, ~ 1 month later, the drama of campaigns and this accusation opened. I still waited, even when the payment for 2 campaigns were processed
I sent him my PM on 17 Oct (see in the quote) - 4 days after payments in 2 campaigns, and still wish he the best. I only want him to reply, that's it. Payment, I can wait. I am not hurry with payment.
I saw he logged in account in 2 days, and no reply. It is why I left the neg feedback because no reply is unacceptable and I think he is already recovered.

Quote from: icopress on October 21, 2021, 12:20:19 PM

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Where did you get that information? Discord? I left his Discord channel, weeks ago, so if it was announced recently, I can not see it.

I did not see that information, I only saw a very short announcement from his dev, on Discord, many weeks ago. lightlord get health condition, something like that.

If I see this information, I never left that feedback.

Payment.

I received it hours ago.
Also, lightlord sent me a PM with details of his health issue ^{he should let me know about it in PM, previously}.
He gave me a bonus as well that is up to 10% of my initial payment

Quote from: icopress on October 21, 2021, 12:20:19 PM

The feedback below is well deserved, so I expect that after 10 weeks, only this neg feedback will remain.

Feedback, I will remove it.

I will think on what I can write, of course with a neutral feedback, not neg one. I agree with people who said neg feedback is far too much. Initially, I did not do this but it is too long and because of lack of information & communication, I took that action.

I am sorry, if it hurts you, light lord. I wish you the best.

By the way, it is best to deal with weekly payment. From my story, you can see anything can happen. It might not be a scam, but if you really need money from your work, it will hurt you. It's fair and best for 2 sides with weekly contract.

Best regards to all,

Tran Dzung[/list]

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Quote from: Quickseller on October 21, 2021, 04:35:35 PM

You are misrepresenting what I said. I am saying that if he is owed money, he shouldn’t continue to allow additional debt to accumulate, and that if he has a problem with the payment schedule, he should stop working for lightlord.

Maybe he did stop when it became a problem. Or he could have a contractual obligation. Or any number of other reasons why this (along with the suggestion to not use the trust system for the exact purpose of the trust system) is an absurd advice or at best irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Quote from: Quickseller on October 21, 2021, 04:35:35 PM

Obviously my recommendation was based on the assumption that he had been paid what he is owed.

If he was paid then the above makes zero sense even in your cuckoo universe where the victim is at fault for accumulating the debt they're owed.

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Quote from: Quickseller on October 21, 2021, 01:40:55 PM

As is true for everyone else, tranthidung deserves to be respected, but I don't think it is appropriate to leave negative trust if he is disrespected. A more appropriate response would be for tranthidung to consider ending his professional relationship with Lightlord (as far as I am aware, he has not).

Right, if someone is failing to pay, the right response is to just leave and not even warn anyone about what happened Roll Eyes

You are misrepresenting what I said. I am saying that if he is owed money, he shouldn’t continue to allow additional debt to accumulate, and that if he has a problem with the payment schedule, he should stop working for lightlord.

Obviously my recommendation was based on the assumption that he had been paid what he is owed.

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Quote from: Quickseller on October 21, 2021, 01:40:55 PM

As is true for everyone else, tranthidung deserves to be respected, but I don't think it is appropriate to leave negative trust if he is disrespected. A more appropriate response would be for tranthidung to consider ending his professional relationship with Lightlord (as far as I am aware, he has not).

Just wondering, have you even read the feedback left by the transthidung?

Quote from: Quickseller on October 21, 2021, 01:40:55 PM

Assuming he has made everyone who he owes money to whole, I don't think he should have any negative trust.

Well, I guess that answers my question. Wink

LL paid all the signature debt he had. I don’t think it is unreasonable to believe that LL also paid tranthidung, and anyone else he owed money to. If that is not the case, then negative trust is obviously appropriate.

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