Do you think Lightlord behavior is acceptable? - page 6.

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ok, this is really serious. new problems are emerging and what's worse, he ^lightlord ignores it all. at this point, I have more confidence in tranthidung words.
although I have tried to be moderate here and believe that this is a temporary problem, lightlord seems to settle the arrears here only after the pressure from the community.
I really don't see a reason why he doesn't answer and leave a clear statement about what is happening and what its users can expect in the future. ignoring it only makes things worse.

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I worked for lightlord as a moderator (Telegram, Discord). I trusted him and did not ask for payment each week. He paid me once after 4 weeks. Next 6 weeks. $725 (from 10 July to 13 Aug), no payment. He replied, promised to pay me, then stop replying to my DMs, even he logged in account. After the drama of his campaigns, I respected him for what we had, did not open scam accusation, I sent him a PM again, but he does not respect me, no reply (still actively on the forum). No reply is unacceptable!

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Not necessarily - if Zodiac1233 wanted to, they could have come on anytime in the last ten weeks to say their dear friend lightlord was ill, but didn't.

(Yes, my bad. Zodiac1233 hadn't posted for over twelve months - but in saying so according to BPIP.org, Zodiac1233 hasn't "woken up" so in those more than twelve months Zodiac1233 has been quietly logging in once in a while and doing "stuff" that isn't posting).

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you can see it in their trust page

I could say you are a great guy on your trust page, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it is true...

(You're a great guy BTW) Grin

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on October 18, 2021, 07:30:54 PM

Zodiac1233 previous post was made one year and four months ago (not four months only). lightlord and Zodiac1233 knows each other very well, you can see it in their trust page. It proves that he isn't a third party tech support. Probably Zodiac1233 is deeply engaged with those two websites and he is an admin too.

Quote from: Zodiac1233 on June 16, 2017, 12:19:02 AM

Another addition is admin badges. Admins will now show up in chat with their role in a badge next to their name.

BTW, Zodiac1233 isn't well known to the forum members as an admin of Bitvest. And this topic is about lightlord behavior. Our discussion is getting out of the track.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on October 18, 2021, 02:01:02 PM

But I got surprised to see ‘Zodiac1233’ (another admin of Bitvest) response in that. He was silent in the forum for years. It means lightlord isn't alone. Zodiac1233 still working with him to run Bitvest. But they aren't showing professionalism to run their business.

I've just had a look at Zodiac1233's post history and although they haven't posted for the last four months I can see they have a pattern of coming online every two, three or four months and posting information concerning the back-end operations of the two sites. This makes me think lightlord is the owner/operator while Zodiac1233 is a third party tech support person given their posts are *just* concerning the two websites.

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Quote from: Poker Player on October 17, 2021, 10:12:48 PM

Let's see if the problems with withdrawals also end.

The withdrawal issue has been resolved. But I got surprised to see ‘Zodiac1233’ (another admin of Bitvest) response in that. He was silent in the forum for years. It means lightlord isn't alone. Zodiac1233 still working with him to run Bitvest. But they aren't showing professionalism to run their business.

Quote from: Cnsba on October 18, 2021, 01:36:33 PM

Updating. 100% resolved to satisfaction. Thank you to everyone involved who helped.
Esp Zodiac.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 18, 2021, 11:26:37 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on October 17, 2021, 04:55:11 PM

Over the short run, it is the campaign managers responsibility to prevent lots of crap posts coming from the campaign. However, if over long periods of time, if a manager allows lots of shit posts, and doesn’t do anything about it, it will reflect negatively on the person who didn’t fire the campaign manager in favor of someone who would address the shit posts.

The manager can only do so much given the pay rate. Rejecting all bad posters would result in an almost empty campaign, and probably replacement of the manager.

That might be true, but that does not excuse the manager. If the pay rate is too low, he should say something. I do think that Lightlord probably knows what kind of people his low rates are going to attract.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 17, 2021, 05:27:50 PM

but I forgot how to check who's on DT2.

You must be getting old. How old you are? 70+ :-P
By the way, is Jet Cash still around?

PS: Yeah, I know I am off-topic LOL

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 17, 2021, 05:27:50 PM

I forgot how to check who's on DT2.

Go to any profile he left feedback on, and add ;dt to the URL. If it shows up, he's on DT.
Example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2509476;dt

I guess Pharmacist wanted to know exclusively for DT2 not entire DT (1&2)

It should be like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt
Then check manually.

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Quote from: Quickseller on October 17, 2021, 04:55:11 PM

Over the short run, it is the campaign managers responsibility to prevent lots of crap posts coming from the campaign. However, if over long periods of time, if a manager allows lots of shit posts, and doesn’t do anything about it, it will reflect negatively on the person who didn’t fire the campaign manager in favor of someone who would address the shit posts.

The manager can only do so much given the pay rate. Rejecting all bad posters would result in an almost empty campaign, and probably replacement of the manager.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 17, 2021, 05:27:50 PM

I forgot how to check who's on DT2.

Go to any profile he left feedback on, and add ;dt to the URL. If it shows up, he's on DT.
Example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2509476;dt

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This is the first time I let a thread opened by me continue without locking it after page 5 because I see that there is meaningful discussion.

In this case I want to bring here a quote that I found interesting from the bitvest official thread:

Quote from: buwaytress on October 16, 2021, 12:36:45 PM

Checking in here after a time. And happy to see owner's responded and paid up what's owed, but yeah, he really needs to do something about hot wallet OR get the manuals approved quicker.

I haven't had problems since the last time I posted in here some months ago though. This week requested 11 LTC and a significant sum of BTC. Both were processed immediately, so I guess hot wallet was working then.

There're already so few places left to invest in a casino bankroll. Would be a great shame if this site didn't continue to succeed.

Let's see if the problems with withdrawals also end.

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Quote from: Quickseller on October 17, 2021, 04:55:11 PM

However, if over long periods of time, if a manager allows lots of shit posts, and doesn’t do anything about it, it will reflect negatively on the person who didn’t fire the campaign manager in favor of someone who would address the shit posts.

Campaign Managers don't have any kind of editorial control over a participants posts.

There is no requirement to continue to receive merits once in the campaign - far from it. If a participant can con or buy as little as five merits in the last 120 days, then they are in. The Campaign Manager for the signature campaign I am in will, on occasion, make a comment on the Google Spread Sheet for a user to "spread out" their posts. However, this is as close as a CM dares come to exert editorial control over a user's post's content.

I don't include the stipulation that for example five posts each week must be in (for example) the gambling/gaming sections. But, even then as I said at the start, there is no editorial control over those post's content.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on October 17, 2021, 10:55:09 AM

He is indirectly connected with spam, because he hired the manager and he made those low payment rates, so much that seeing these avatars and signature you mostly expect to see some low quality posts.
Last time I checked those campaigns are not active anymore but I don't really care what happens with them if they are operated in similar way like before, with or without l-lord.
Note that I have many ignored members even from much higher paying campaigns, so it's not a universal rule.

Do as Skeptical Chemist did ... he just turned off the display of avatars and captions and has long merited posts based on the quality of the content (as far as I can tell). In addition, no matter what manager is running these campaigns, it is extremely difficult to control spam in the gambling section even with all the desire, (and judging by what I saw, the participants in the campaigns discussed here are the regulars of this section).

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 17, 2021, 05:27:50 PM

Is lightlord on DT by any chance? I know I've been here over 6 years, but I forgot how to check who's on DT2. If he is, in fact, on DT I think an exclusion would be warranted, regardless of what feedback he's left for others.

Try using the BPIP Extension: user info & extra features add-on/extension, Firefox/Chrome.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 17, 2021, 05:27:50 PM

Quote from: Rikafip on October 16, 2021, 02:03:26 AM

Let's be honest here; of course they don't care as majority of them are shitposters and they are aware that they wouldn't be able to join any other signature campaign that pays in BTC.

That makes sense (although I haven't looked at who's in the Bitvest campaign), and I was kind of wondering why members would continue to wear Bitvest's signature after so many weeks of nonpayment. That seems ludicrous in my opinion; I would jump ship as soon as I realized that delays had become the norm.

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The campaign had been here for years I guess, so it's not a big deal for the users to remain as participants for a few more weeks without any payments. Lightlord gained enough trust so to let participants continue their work blindly without thinking about their payments, but like Loyce described, no participant would leave for a week or two non-payments because the manager (Hhampuz before, now Cryptopreneurbrainboss) and the company (Lightlord) both are trustworthy due to consistent payments for years to their participants and there was no 'PAUSE' or 'ENDED' added to the campaign for which participants would panic and stop advertising it, so they continued.

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Quote from: Rikafip on October 16, 2021, 02:03:26 AM

Let's be honest here; of course they don't care as majority of them are shitposters and they are aware that they wouldn't be able to join any other signature campaign that pays in BTC.

That makes sense (although I haven't looked at who's in the Bitvest campaign), and I was kind of wondering why members would continue to wear Bitvest's signature after so many weeks of nonpayment. That seems ludicrous in my opinion; I would jump ship as soon as I realized that delays had become the norm.

Quote from: LoyceV on October 17, 2021, 10:39:20 AM

Quote from: dkbit98 on October 17, 2021, 09:47:47 AM

Everyone should exclude him from DT members

Why? The feedback lightlord left doesn't look terrible and certainly not abusive.

I agree, but it's not surprising that dkbit98 might not realize that inclusions/exclusions are supposed to be used to reflect a member's feedback-giving behavior, not as a measure of how much they can be trusted. It really is a baffling trust system we have on bitcointalk.

Is lightlord on DT by any chance? I know I've been here over 6 years, but I forgot how to check who's on DT2. If he is, in fact, on DT I think an exclusion would be warranted, regardless of what feedback he's left for others.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on October 17, 2021, 10:55:09 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on October 17, 2021, 10:39:20 AM

Why? The feedback lightlord left doesn't look terrible and certainly not abusive.

Because people are not being excluded from DT just because of their abusive feedback, but it's my personal opinion and I see that other members excluded him also.

Quote from: yahoo62278 on October 17, 2021, 10:43:05 AM

Lightlord has nothing to do with the spam, that's 100% on the manager and participants. That's why there is a manager, although everyone has a different idea of what is considered spam. Best thing users can do is report posts and hurt spammers by getting them banned. As far as the trust list goes, I really see nothing wrong there, just because a forum mod doesn't trust his is not a reason to halt a campaign. Long as he pays regularly and on time he's fine. Just goes back to respecting people.

He is indirectly connected with spam, because he hired the manager and he made those low payment rates, so much that seeing these avatars and signature you mostly expect to see some low quality posts.
Last time I checked those campaigns are not active anymore but I don't really care what happens with them if they are operated in similar way like before, with or without l-lord.
Note that I have many ignored members even from much higher paying campaigns, so it's not a universal rule.

Over the short run, it is the campaign managers responsibility to prevent lots of crap posts coming from the campaign. However, if over long periods of time, if a manager allows lots of shit posts, and doesn’t do anything about it, it will reflect negatively on the person who didn’t fire the campaign manager in favor of someone who would address the shit posts.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 17, 2021, 10:39:20 AM

Why? The feedback lightlord left doesn't look terrible and certainly not abusive.

Because people are not being excluded from DT just because of their abusive feedback, but it's my personal opinion and I see that other members excluded him also.

Quote from: yahoo62278 on October 17, 2021, 10:43:05 AM

Lightlord has nothing to do with the spam, that's 100% on the manager and participants. That's why there is a manager, although everyone has a different idea of what is considered spam. Best thing users can do is report posts and hurt spammers by getting them banned. As far as the trust list goes, I really see nothing wrong there, just because a forum mod doesn't trust his is not a reason to halt a campaign. Long as he pays regularly and on time he's fine. Just goes back to respecting people.

He is indirectly connected with spam, because he hired the manager and he made those low payment rates, so much that seeing these avatars and signature you mostly expect to see some low quality posts.
Last time I checked those campaigns are not active anymore but I don't really care what happens with them if they are operated in similar way like before, with or without l-lord.
Note that I have many ignored members even from much higher paying campaigns, so it's not a universal rule.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on October 17, 2021, 09:47:47 AM

I would never trust this guy with anything again, and best thing for this forum would be if those campaigns managed by Lightlord never get started again, I think this would produce much less spam and worthless posts being written.
Everyone should exclude him from DT members, as I see that he is still in DT2 members list:

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lightlord's judgement is Trusted by:
1. Zodiac1233 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (16 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Maidak (Trust: +8 / =0 / -8) (19 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Dabs (Trust: +39 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 816 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. SiNeReiNZzz (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (761 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Crypto9er (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. bitcoinmar Banned! (Trust: +1 / =0 / -2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. cabron (Trust: neutral) (25 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~lightlord's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. NEW Welsh (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (15) 1548 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW Timelord2067 (Trust: +13 / =8 / -0) (DT1 (-5) 762 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

https://loyce.club/trust/2021-10-16_Sat_06.06h/30541.html

Lightlord has nothing to do with the spam, that's 100% on the manager and participants. That's why there is a manager, although everyone has a different idea of what is considered spam. Best thing users can do is report posts and hurt spammers by getting them banned. As far as the trust list goes, I really see nothing wrong there, just because a forum mod doesn't trust his is not a reason to halt a campaign. Long as he pays regularly and on time he's fine. Just goes back to respecting people.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on October 17, 2021, 09:47:47 AM

Everyone should exclude him from DT members

Why? The feedback lightlord left doesn't look terrible and certainly not abusive.

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https://loyce.club/trust/2021-10-16_Sat_06.06h/30541.html

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I would never trust this guy with anything again, and best thing for this forum would be if those campaigns managed by Lightlord never get started again, I think this would produce much less spam and worthless posts being written.
Everyone should exclude him from DT members, as I see that he is still in DT2 members list:

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lightlord's judgement is Trusted by:
1. Zodiac1233 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (16 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Maidak (Trust: +8 / =0 / -8) (19 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Dabs (Trust: +39 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 816 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. SiNeReiNZzz (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (761 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Crypto9er (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. bitcoinmar Banned! (Trust: +1 / =0 / -2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. cabron (Trust: neutral) (25 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~lightlord's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. NEW Welsh (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (15) 1548 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW Timelord2067 (Trust: +13 / =8 / -0) (DT1 (-5) 762 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

https://loyce.club/trust/2021-10-16_Sat_06.06h/30541.html

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Quote from: Poker Player on October 17, 2021, 02:16:19 AM

But let's see, I don't understand it that way, although I recognize that it's a little strange. I quote what I posted in the other thread:

Quote from: Poker Player on October 17, 2021, 02:00:53 AM

It is not clear to me, first he says: "we aren't paid to be mods here" and in the following comment he says: "...we get paid by the site". I don't know if they are paid in another capacity and not as moderators. In any case it is strange.

I think what the mod means was that:

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we aren't paid to be mods here, we r mods bcuz we want to be here to help players without question of bias or loyalty to the site (just) bcuz we get paid by the site

I.e. If we don't get paid, we won't be seen as defending LL or Bitvest

Not wrong to get paid, but the issue is still way beyond their capabilities since it's Support-related.

Plus, casino chat mods usually work on shifts since the chat's involved. Most casinos I frequent actually pay them for taking the effort to actively monitor the chat.

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Quote from: UserU on October 16, 2021, 11:56:04 PM

Today the guy that didn't receive his winnings posted this screenshot, I'm at loss for words...

He doesn't pay the mods at all.

But let's see, I don't understand it that way, although I recognize that it's a little strange. I quote what I posted in the other thread:

Quote from: Poker Player on October 17, 2021, 02:00:53 AM

It is not clear to me, first he says: "we aren't paid to be mods here" and in the following comment he says: "...we get paid by the site". I don't know if they are paid in another capacity and not as moderators. In any case it is strange.

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