Topic: Do you think Lightlord behavior is acceptable? - page 8. (Read 4319 times)

Question for CryptopreneurBrainboss: Once the campaigns continue, can you post here how many people left because of the late payments? I don't expect many of them to have left, and in that case I assume they don't consider lightlord to be high risk.

The matter is resolved for now, but that doesn't mean it won't happen again. If you read carefully, most of those ratings still apply. It remains to be seen whether lightlord will change his business practices on this forum. As suchmoon wrote in his review, "Pretty much the definition of high risk".

Lightlord has paid everyone with the bonus. That must be sign of relief for signature campaign participants.

Also this shows that light lord had no intention of any scam but he don't have time as usual. Anyways i see that there is no change in the trust rating for him. I think he don't deserve red tag now and it should be neutral since the matter is resolved now.

I would expect an early adopter to know to avoid dust inputs. Paying for 10 weeks in one transaction would have reduced the fees participants have to pay to consolidate the dust they've received. Such a missed opportunity when paying late anyway.
Take this address for example: 6 inputs, total amount received: 0.00017901 BTC.

I called it

So, what? One case does not make a general rule. There will be people who know what Lightlord looks like and don't care. But people who don't know him don't know how he behaves. For example people who join his signature campaigns for the first time or people who play in his casinos.


Your assumption is incorrect, and shows that you did not read the previous page of the thread, and it was not the first time it was mentioned.

By the way, Lightlord has just paid. Just in time. Just shortly before the 48 hours were up. I remember one time he said the 48 hour thing and we had to wait like for 5 days until we got the payment.

I definitely agree the communication, or the lack thereof is very unprofessional. He has also been barely posting, or not positing for those 10 weeks. I don't know what his setup is for his cold storage wallet, it may very well be that his private keys are stored offsite and needs to travel far to access his private keys. I think the fact that he posted that he will pay participants "within 48 hours" suggests that he does not have immediate access to his private keys (or at least he is trying to project this to be the case). I also don't know his personal situation over the past 10 weeks, and there were reports that he may have been sick.

Regardless of his private key situation, he should have been in better communication with those he owed money to.

You can look at his trust history and see that one of LL's first sent trust ratings mention that he payed his trading partner late.
That I do not know. I would assume that once someone requests a withdrawal, their account balance is immidiately deducted, preventing them from gambling with that balance. I am not sure if it is possible to cancel withdrawals in any of his casinos. It is however common for gamblers to withdraw when they are done gambling for the day, and to deposit again the next day (or a few days later) to gamble more.

I know you're a troll and obviously not a very intelligent individual, but maybe do some research before you open your mouth unless you are just looking to stir up trouble. Which will only get you this 1 response.

Yobit was managed by me as a lesser of 2 evils. I asked the community, ahead of taking the job, how they would feel. Yobit was gonna run the campaign regardless. At least with me managing the spam level was significantly reduced. I removed over 500 spammers from the campaign in a few months and saved the forum thousands of reports from the morons who would have made those posts. Also, yobit was not promoting their exchange when I was managing, they were promoting their forum.

I know you are not gonna do any research before trying to make yourself look good, but I thought what i wrote was worth mentioning.

C'mon man respect issue? That must be a joke.

I remember you were a campaign manager for NoobBit (yobit) well knowing it was a scam and had many allegations against them in past but you agreed to promote them or say manage their participants.

I'm quite surprised that how easily DT members let you off the hook, I wonder for how long you've seen sucking them, Specially muchmoon & suchgay.

And here I see you talk about respect, which made my day with a burst of laughter.

If you run a business there is NO WAY you are not checking on that business semi regularly. If you are responsible for a persons money, you should be available to talk or answer questions about the money or have a representative available to take care of issues for you.

We all appreciate Lightlord for running these campaigns for a long time. He is asking a service from users and should respect those users enough to commit to on time payments. Ask yourselves, if this was a regular job, would you work all week for your employer to say i'll pay you in 6 months? Or if you go to a live casino and win at Blackjack, would you appreciate the dealer calling the floor and them telling you come back next month for your money?

It's a respect issue for me. A small delay of 24 hours or something I suppose is acceptable, but 10 weeks for signature campaign payments is ridiculous. Anything longer then 24 hours on casino withdrawal is ridiculous.

Unless the guy has broken fingers, went blind, or is on a ventilator in the hospital with covid there really is no reason he cannot be more responsible.

If we look at it from a different perspective: Lightlord has accepted the this behaviour isn't acceptable by changing some rules on the campaigns. So we got the answer to the main question of the thread with this message

I agree with the majority here. This is lightlord's own fault for being in this situation. Someone has commented before that we need to give him some slack since he runs the two longest-running campaigns on the forum and may have also run into some personal issues that caused the delay in payments. I don't think that's the issue here.

Anyone who has ever participated in one of LL's campaigns knows that he has a history of failing to meet his obligations on time. The payments were supposed to be weekly, but he always paid them two or three weeks late. Then conditions changed to two-week payments, so the payment delays increased to 6-7 weeks. Finally, Brainboss introduced the concept of two-month payments in the hope that it would prevent recurring complaints from campaign participants, which led to this situation. Taking that decision was obviously meant to accommodate LL's irresponsible behavior, and I don't see how it was supposed to "make things easier for the participants".

You have not followed it very well or you have not understood it well. Let me explain: there have been at least hundreds of payment delays. I was part of that campaign for more than a year and I was paid on time only once out of six or so. As Timelord2067 rightly points out, it is a campaign that still advertises weekly payments. So let's not repeat the falsehood that it has only been three times. There have been hundreds of times over the years and only three times the delay was such that people started to complain a lot and there was a ruckus in the forum.


Well you are only seeing part of the reality. These are all comments from the last page in the official bitvest.io thread:


(This is actually a laugh because there has been a lot of talk about it in the thread, the only thing that has been covered up by people talking about the signature campaign in that thread.)





In this thread I was asking if Lightlord's behavior is acceptable, pointing out two facts. In the signature campaigns there have been many, many delays, not three. And in the casino there are many people complaining, so if you don't know the problem, and you don't want to investigate what is going on, at least don't try to justify Lightlord.

I just wanted to point out something completely different. many of us have a regular life outside of online activity, in this case, as far as I followed there were three delays with payment for 7+ years. I tend to believe that there were serious reasons for that.
my father has been sick for the last year, especially the last two months. I missed many things in the meantime and many jobs I didn’t finish or I was late. now that it's all over, I'm trying to fix what I can. something can happen to us that completely affects our regular routine and planned tasks. and it is often particularly difficult to explain the whole situation.

this may be partly the fault of the manager, as @suchmoon says, there were some problems with other campaigns as well, so the manager provided timely information or even stopped the campaign until the owner announces or pays the arrears. some even paid out of their own pockets.
perhaps in case, the manager stopped the campaign after the first week without payments, everything would look different if it was a smaller amount. and perhaps this would cause the campaign owner to activate earlier. yet these are only conjectures



Yes, I am talking about signature campaigns problems. I have seen the most attacks on lightlord because of it. I have never used these two casinos so I cannot say that I am competent to comment on their business.

Well... I'm not sure where this person got their information from that I'm about to quote, (but they're on DT2, so it shows up in the trust feedback as "trusted")

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Second to last blue background "Payments sent on Mondays to Wednesday, Posts are counted Sunday to Sunday." - not every once in a while...

EVERY WEEK.

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They might pay members infrequently, however, they advertise to this day that they pay WEEKLY.

Yes, of course. It can't be verified in the same way that signature campaign payments can be verified, but if there are still complaints about casino withdrawals, could we verify what the last accusation said?


I don't know 777coin and Bitvest hot wallets are identified. Signature campaign payments in Bitvest are made from an address containing the word Bitvest.


Well, and I said that this is not going to solve anything because if a person who has to pay you weekly, pays you after 6-7 weeks, if you tell him to pay you every two months, he can easily take 4 or 5 months to pay you.


Yes, well, I can believe that this time he has been sick, but it is not the first time it has happened, he was already negatively trusted in the past for the same thing, and that time he was not supposedly sick. It happened more or less the same as this time, and that time escrow was used, which is what is supposed to solve the problem from now on.

On the other hand, not logging in to the forum does not mean that you do not read it. I am often logged out and I read it, so we can't be sure that he didn't see what was being said about him without being logged in.

I should have made myself clear; I was referring to the standard signature campaign that pays out weekly, not 777coin and Bitvest.

I'm still not in support of the negative feedback and already said it was too quick for this particular situation. I guess either his past behavior is hurting him now or people misunderstand what actual happened. The campaign was changed to bimonthly and I don't alert him of the payment until it was due. This decision was taken by me after delays were observed in the past and payment always came in the 6-7 week.

I informed him of payment been due in the 8week but he wasn't online to process the transaction as a result of the illness issues which immediate he came back he did respond to the thread and it wasn't like it was the red trust that got him speaking.

Good point but there is a significant detail here. IIRC Darkstar_ has been late once or twice, and I'm sure other reputable campaigns have had issues. You never see complaints about it because they communicate and don't make people wait for weeks in the dark.

It also has to be noted that no one is jumping to create a type 1 (high risk of losing money) or type 2/3 (contract violation) flags because lightlord does eventually pay after some prodding. However being consistently late to pay what you owe - from what I'm reading it happened more than 2-3 times - should not be considered normal business.

Having said that, I'd be happy to revise my trust rating after 10 campaign payments made on time. I don't really have a way to verify casino withdrawals though, so this is a whole different issue.

Here you only talk about the sig campaigns. I will remind you of the other point we are talking about:

I believe you missed the most important part of the conversation: both campaigns (777 and Bivest) pay members bi-monthly (8 weeks) and it took them another 2 weeks to wait for L.L to make his late payment as usual, making it a total of 10 weeks without payment.


There is a difference between not having money to pay and having the mindset to always pay your employees whenever they bled out blood with a small bonus to shut them off, No clients would want to be paid late for business or work rendered; . He owns the two longest sig campaigns on the forum, which means he makes a lot of money from it, which is why both campaigns are still running.... LL must show respect.