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Quote from: Quickseller on October 21, 2021, 02:40:55 PM

As is true for everyone else, tranthidung deserves to be respected, but I don't think it is appropriate to leave negative trust if he is disrespected. A more appropriate response would be for tranthidung to consider ending his professional relationship with Lightlord (as far as I am aware, he has not).

Just wondering, have you even read the feedback left by the transthidung?

Quote from: Quickseller on October 21, 2021, 02:40:55 PM

Assuming he has made everyone who he owes money to whole, I don't think he should have any negative trust.

Well, I guess that answers my question. Wink

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Quote from: Quickseller on October 21, 2021, 02:40:55 PM

As is true for everyone else, tranthidung deserves to be respected, but I don't think it is appropriate to leave negative trust if he is disrespected. A more appropriate response would be for tranthidung to consider ending his professional relationship with Lightlord (as far as I am aware, he has not).

Right, if someone is failing to pay, the right response is to just leave and not even warn anyone about what happened Roll Eyes

Looks like you skipped your meds again.

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Quote from: examplens on October 20, 2021, 08:15:57 AM

ok, this is really serious. new problems are emerging and what's worse, he ^lightlord ignores it all. at this point, I have more confidence in tranthidung words.
although I have tried to be moderate here and believe that this is a temporary problem, lightlord seems to settle the arrears here only after the pressure from the community.
I really don't see a reason why he doesn't answer and leave a clear statement about what is happening and what its users can expect in the future. ignoring it only makes things worse.

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I worked for lightlord as a moderator (Telegram, Discord). I trusted him and did not ask for payment each week. He paid me once after 4 weeks. Next 6 weeks. $725 (from 10 July to 13 Aug), no payment. He replied, promised to pay me, then stop replying to my DMs, even he logged in account. After the drama of his campaigns, I respected him for what we had, did not open scam accusation, I sent him a PM again, but he does not respect me, no reply (still actively on the forum). No reply is unacceptable!

tranthidung describes Lightlord as being disrespectful, and it is not good to disrespect people who are working for you- doing so will ultimately lead to those people no longer wanting to work for you, even if you pay well, and on time (Lightlord does neither).

As is true for everyone else, tranthidung deserves to be respected, but I don't think it is appropriate to leave negative trust if he is disrespected. A more appropriate response would be for tranthidung to consider ending his professional relationship with Lightlord (as far as I am aware, he has not).

Quote from: icopress on October 21, 2021, 01:20:19 PM

Assuming he has made everyone who he owes money to whole, I don't think he should have any negative trust. He has promised to escrow funds so this type of thing will not happen again. While yes, this has been an ongoing issue, it has not been a secret this has been a problem, and people have chosen to continue doing business with him.

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Quote from: icopress on October 21, 2021, 01:20:19 PM

Guys, it seems to me, or are you really ignoring what Lightlord wrote?

Quote from: lightlord on October 13, 2021, 03:37:29 AM

I will put in escrow in the campaign, so payment is every week and on time without delay going forward

Quote from: Lightlord

Unfortunately, I have fallen quite ill, and have been fighting for my life for the last 2 months. I had an adverse reaction to the second vaccine, and wasn't able to eat much, and struggling a lot. My weight dropped nearly 15 pounds in one month. Pretty much a skeleton, but I seem to be getting better over time. I am better than I was a month ago, and I should be able to return things back to semi-normal on things. I will process the campaign payments out, and try to address the late withdrawals, to get that back to more normal times.

Therefore, it seems to me that a dozen negative feedbacks left to him are too much. Lightlord has been on the forum for years and kept his balance, besides, if my memory serves me, he was also the main sponsor of one of the covid charity pools (here on the forum). I do not defend him as I am not familiar with him to judge him but I tend to think that his good deeds outweigh his incompetence. In this regard, here's what I suggest:

icopress, I have a positive view just like you do on the matter and seeing the lightlord running the campaign for years and not having any trouble with the payments.

I also think the issue lightlord is presenting to be valid, I made a thread regarding Vaccine that use artificial mRNA, that's dangerous to humans
Link to my thread - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/for-all-those-who-think-covid-19-vaccines-will-do-good-5350767

There had been many Deaths after taking the vaccine especially the one created by Company Pfizer.
There are doctors that can't speak the truth on the matter but I've shared the video of a doctor who explains what this Vaccine really does and people shouldn't take it and is also suggesting other doctors to speak about it and not be afraid.

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Quote from: icopress on October 21, 2021, 01:20:19 PM

Quote from: lightlord on October 13, 2021, 03:37:29 AM

I will put in escrow in the campaign, so payment is every week and on time without delay going forward

Quote from: Lightlord

Unfortunately, I have fallen quite ill, and have been fighting for my life for the last 2 months. I had an adverse reaction to the second vaccine, and wasn't able to eat much, and struggling a lot. My weight dropped nearly 15 pounds in one month. Pretty much a skeleton, but I seem to be getting better over time. I am better than I was a month ago, and I should be able to return things back to semi-normal on things. I will process the campaign payments out, and try to address the late withdrawals, to get that back to more normal times.

Thanks for this quote, I'll use it to add neutral feedback to lightlord's account. I think he deserves time to recover, and I don't think adding more red tags helps anyone at this point.

Quote from: icopress on October 21, 2021, 01:44:56 PM

It is not entirely clear to me why he deleted his message

Maybe he changed his mind because it's quite personal.

Quote from: suchmoon on October 21, 2021, 01:51:45 PM

Are you ignoring users saying that delays occurred more than once and lasted more than a couple of months?

I'm not ignoring it, but it also didn't stop the users from joining. It looks like the current reason for late payments is different, and if an escrow takes over, it could be the last time payments were late.

I wish lightlord well. If I get ill, I wouldn't like my reputation to be destroyed because of unfinished business either.

Prio 1: staying alive

All the rest comes later.

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Quote from: icopress on October 21, 2021, 01:20:19 PM

Guys, it seems to me, or are you really ignoring what Lightlord wrote?

Are you ignoring users saying that delays occurred more than once and lasted more than a couple of months?

Quote from: icopress on October 21, 2021, 01:20:19 PM

his good deeds outweigh his incompetence

If that's the case, his positive feedback will outweigh the negatives.

I would suggest that at least the users who had been directly affected by lightlord's negligence - or whatever you want to call it - wouldn't revise their ratings and leave them as warnings to reduce the chance of needing another 10-page thread two years from now, but that's not really up to me.

What is up to me is my own rating and since I'm not directly affected by this I would have been open to revising it after a number of on-time sig campaign payouts, but it seems that the problem is larger than that so I'm gonna have to see how this develops. The lack of communication doesn't inspire confidence.

Quote from: icopress on October 21, 2021, 01:20:19 PM

The feedback below is well deserved, so I expect that after 10 weeks, only this neg feedback will remain.

This should be a type 2 or 3 flag.

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Quote from: FatFork on October 21, 2021, 01:40:11 PM

Where did the second quote about his illness come from? How should the community know about his medical situation if there is no mention of it?
Shouldn't his business associate Zodiac1233 have done something in a situation like this?

I was too lazy to flip through 10 pages of this thread again, so I searched for his answers on this case through the archive.

It is not entirely clear to me why he deleted his message, but the fact remains - I quoted what was previously published, (I also don’t know how close the relationship between Lightlord and Zodiac1233 is and why Zodiac1233 didn’t mention it). Undecided

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Quote from: icopress on October 21, 2021, 01:20:19 PM

Guys, it seems to me, or are you really ignoring what Lightlord wrote?

Where did the second quote about his illness come from? How should the community know about his medical situation if there is no mention of it?
Shouldn't his business associate Zodiac1233 have done something in a situation like this?

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Guys, it seems to me, or are you really ignoring what Lightlord wrote?

Quote from: lightlord on October 13, 2021, 03:37:29 AM

I will put in escrow in the campaign, so payment is every week and on time without delay going forward

Quote from: Lightlord

Unfortunately, I have fallen quite ill, and have been fighting for my life for the last 2 months. I had an adverse reaction to the second vaccine, and wasn't able to eat much, and struggling a lot. My weight dropped nearly 15 pounds in one month. Pretty much a skeleton, but I seem to be getting better over time. I am better than I was a month ago, and I should be able to return things back to semi-normal on things. I will process the campaign payments out, and try to address the late withdrawals, to get that back to more normal times.

Therefore, it seems to me that a dozen negative feedbacks left to him are too much. Lightlord has been on the forum for years and kept his balance, besides, if my memory serves me, he was also the main sponsor of one of the covid charity pools (here on the forum). I do not defend him as I am not familiar with him to judge him but I tend to think that his good deeds outweigh his incompetence. In this regard, here's what I suggest:

Stop looking into his pocket, because it's his own business how much dust to pay to the participants of the sig campaign.
If the situation with payments is corrected, then, after 10 weeks, change all generalized neg feedback to neutral.
The feedback below is well deserved, so I expect that after 10 weeks, only this neg feedback will remain.

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I worked for lightlord as a moderator (Telegram, Discord). I trusted him and did not ask for payment each week. He paid me once after 4 weeks. Next 6 weeks. $725 (from 10 July to 13 Aug), no payment. He replied, promised to pay me, then stop replying to my DMs, even he logged in account. After the drama of his campaigns, I respected him for what we had, did not open scam accusation, I sent him a PM again, but he does not respect me, no reply (still actively on the forum). No reply is unacceptable!

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Quote from: Rikafip on October 21, 2021, 11:54:31 AM

I can bet you that even after all this is finally resolved and people get their money, if he launches another shitcoin project and start looking for admins/whatever, bunch of people would apply anyway. It's just how it is here, a lot of members willing to take a risk for a couple of satoshis, like bounty hunters do all the time.

He favors quantity over quality. The unlimited quota for Bitvest is an example...

Its 60 if I am not wrong not unlimited anyway the pay per post is relatively cheapest among all the campaigns here so people who doesn't get any slot in other campaign prefer this and nothing else.

My only question to Lightlord is why he isn't replying anything regarding the situation?

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Quote from: Rikafip on October 21, 2021, 11:54:31 AM

I can bet you that even after all this is finally resolved and people get their money, if he launches another shitcoin project and start looking for admins/whatever, bunch of people would apply anyway. It's just how it is here, a lot of members willing to take a risk for a couple of satoshis, like bounty hunters do all the time.

He favors quantity over quality. The unlimited quota for Bitvest is an example...

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Quote from: NotATether on October 21, 2021, 11:37:41 AM

It's not like he doesn't have money or anything, how else did he pay for those Bitvest/777coin/Eloncoin banner slots all these months? And those things are expensive.

Of course he has money (most likely), that's not the issue here. It's just that he doesn't care much about being on time with payments and has a long history of doing that, as seen in his trust feedback. So yeah, those willing to work for him should be prepared to be paid at his whim.

I can bet you that even after all this is finally resolved and people get their money, if he launches another shitcoin project and start looking for admins/whatever, bunch of people would apply anyway. It's just how it is here, a lot of members willing to take a risk for a couple of satoshis, like bounty hunters do all the time.

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Quote from: Rikafip on October 21, 2021, 03:36:56 AM

I am surprised that people are surprised at his behavior as @The Pharmacist left feedback almost three years ago, stating that he is late with payments and zero fucks given attitude about it, so it's not something new but a thing he consistently does yet people rushed to be hired by him for that Eloncoin crap. Then we laugh at bounty hunters that are getting scammed and mistreated all the time...

It's not like he doesn't have money or anything, how else did he pay for those Bitvest/777coin/Eloncoin banner slots all these months? And those things are expensive.

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Actually, I'm not as surprised by his constant delays in paying for signature campaigns as by his general attitude towards this community. The way he behaves is irresponsible and disrespectful towards other members. No matter who it is or what his previous contributions have been, everyone here should treat each other with respect.

I'm not sure whether this thread will help bring things to a more positive conclusion, but only lightlord can solve this and make things better by answering and clearly explaining what's going on.

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I am surprised that people are surprised at his behavior as @The Pharmacist left feedback almost three years ago, stating that he is late with payments and zero fucks given attitude about it, so it's not something new but a thing he consistently does yet people rushed to be hired by him for that Eloncoin crap. Then we laugh at bounty hunters that are getting scammed and mistreated all the time...

@tranthidung since he is more than 2 months late with the payment, as as you said no reply is unacceptable, maybe its time for more drastic measures as some said that he only sorts stuff out after being pressured, and couple of negative tags doesn't seem like its doing the trick.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 21, 2021, 01:55:00 AM

From the record, eventually he pays, but I do not understand all these delays. It is not looking good now on LL.

Building up a reputation of being late is quite ill-advised.

If business agreements are not fulfilled and are regularly ignored, why would you bother dealing with such an individual? Your expectations are dissolved: there is no point of making any further contractual obligations (including but not exclusively apropos to time) because everything is determined by a single party. May as well be tied up and bent over in an inviting position.

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Quote from: examplens on October 20, 2021, 08:15:57 AM

I really don't see a reason why he doesn't answer and leave a clear statement about what is happening and what its users can expect in the future. ignoring it only makes things worse.

From the record, eventually he pays, but I do not understand all these delays. It is not looking good now on LL.

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Quote from: examplens on October 20, 2021, 08:15:57 AM

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I worked for lightlord as a moderator (Telegram, Discord). I trusted him and did not ask for payment each week. He paid me once after 4 weeks. Next 6 weeks. $725 (from 10 July to 13 Aug), no payment. He replied, promised to pay me, then stop replying to my DMs, even he logged in account. After the drama of his campaigns, I respected him for what we had, did not open scam accusation, I sent him a PM again, but he does not respect me, no reply (still actively on the forum). No reply is unacceptable!

Shit - I really dodged a bullet on that one.

(There was a time when I was about to work with lightlord a few months ago).

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Quote from: examplens on October 20, 2021, 08:15:57 AM

ok, this is really serious. new problems are emerging and what's worse, he ^lightlord ignores it all. at this point, I have more confidence in tranthidung words.
although I have tried to be moderate here and believe that this is a temporary problem, lightlord seems to settle the arrears here only after the pressure from the community.
I really don't see a reason why he doesn't answer and leave a clear statement about what is happening and what its users can expect in the future. ignoring it only makes things worse.

Quote from: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=30541

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I worked for lightlord as a moderator (Telegram, Discord). I trusted him and did not ask for payment each week. He paid me once after 4 weeks. Next 6 weeks. $725 (from 10 July to 13 Aug), no payment. He replied, promised to pay me, then stop replying to my DMs, even he logged in account. After the drama of his campaigns, I respected him for what we had, did not open scam accusation, I sent him a PM again, but he does not respect me, no reply (still actively on the forum). No reply is unacceptable!

Lol. And here I was thinking that maybe from now on everything would change, and that in some months I would perhaps change the feedback to neutral. Facepalm.

Maybe now it will change, but seeing that Lighlord only reacts to pressure and that this has been going on for a long time, I don't think it's wise to change it just because things are going well for a couple of months. We'll see.

I have edited the OP to add this point.

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Well, the plot thickens. He doesn't seem to mind pissing off them DTs

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