Topic: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? - page 76. (Read 20317 times)

lets just clear up your own confusion..
which version of your opinion is i, which YOU believe goes into the nucleus of the person getting the vaccine
or

tell me for once. be straight to the point. be truly deep and meaningful about your reply. so deep that you are willing to stand by it from now on

is it the vector(mrna)
or
"whole plasmid+chromosone DNA". which you think passes through the nucleus membrane wall

take a few minutes to truly vet your own flip flop opinions. and pick the one that you will from now on decide is your view

mRNA or DNA passes through the nucleus membrane

incase you forgot that YOU said its about programming the ribosome.
incase you didnt realise that RNA is the firmware and mrna is just a document file.

so everytime you mention reprogramming. or DNA transfers into nucleus. or reprogram ribosome you are continually been saying the same nonsense.

(^debunked it is not titled DNA there. it actually says non replicating viral vectors)
(^debunked.. the slice/vector means DNA doesnt go in. the 'vector' that does go in is mRNA.. mRNA can transverse the nucleus membrane. but not dna)

(^debunked. again your saying the DNA does go into the the nucleus. but look 1 quote up. your saying jsut the vector goes in.. your the confused flip flopper)

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here is a basic level one again. you dont need firmware attached to every mp3 just to make a song play.
what goes into the cell nucleus is not DNA. the 'vector' word your now learning is mRNA

the 'code' is not firmware. its basically the reverse script of the spike protein.
the normal process of a cells normal function tRNA the script(reverses the reverse) then the rRNA converts each stage of 3 parts into a protein. using the ribosomes natural mechanism
the trna and rrna processes are default functions in the cells ribosone. the vaccine has no trna/rrna
the vaccine is not firmware or software update
what goes in is an .mp3 file with no extra metadata = no reprogramming of the player.no loop instruction

You made the accusation that I claimed ribosomes process DNA.  You find the quote upon which you made this accusation.  I know how this stuff works so there is no way I would have made such a statement.

Obviously you have no compunction about pulling anything you think would make some point straight out of your ass.  It need have no basis in fact or logic for people like you.  To people like me who are careful and precise it's disgusting, but for your type it seems to be part of your religion or something.  You guys actually seem to take pride in lying if people fall for your bullshit, and if they don't you get indignant about it.  Passive/aggressive little fuck-tard.

search your own post history.
you have for months been spouting out your billgates designer dna. reprogramming ribosome. gene therapy insinuations

remember mp3 metadata does not reprogram a music player. it just instructs the music player to use its built in features.
mp3 metadata is not player firmware

the vaccine is a mp3 with metadata stripped out(no saRNA)

have a nice day and stop flip flopping pretending your now saying you never said anything about reprogramming human cells

Still waiting for the quote where I said ribosomes process DNA?  Whassa matta?  Couldn't find it after making the accusation?  Thought so.

you went through a whole waffle to say what i said. but using another analogy.. trying to pretend you were not the one spouting out the conspiracy of bill gates gene alteration...

then you in the same post revert back to your conspiracy calling it all a scam.
(facepalm)

anyway to address another lesson you are not understanding

its not a regulatory mechanism that keeps songs from playing too often.
its not a secret
having extra metadata(saRNA) on the mp3(mRNA) tells the song to repeat(replicate)

its lack of saRNA in the vaccine that prevent the song repeating

yep usually one goes in one goes out. unless it has extra code to tell it 'loop song'(saRNA)

you have already started learning it. so even logic could tell you its no secret
the lack of saRNA in the vaccine = no repeating song= no replication

again vaccine lacks saRNA, modRNA, and all the other stuff

the ribosome is not being reprogrammed.
its not busting out virions. its not busting out exosomes carrying virion data. its just making proteins that sit on that cells outter wall.

again learn the reason why out of all the dna types all the rna types that exist in the world of bioology. they chose mrna

As usual, you are trying to imply that I said something which I did not.  I never said that 'DNA goes through the ribosome' and you will not find me saying so which is one of the reasons you won't provide a quote.

I'll go ahead are break this down for the benefit of those who might be wishing to inform themselves about the technology before getting the injections:

The RNA is typically copied off of the DNA so it codes the same information.  It's like me taking one .mp3 song off an album collection from my HDD (DNA) and putting it onto a thumb drive (RNA) for transport to a mp3 player (ribosome).

 - RNA vaccines gene therapies (Pfizer, Moderna) are basically the shot being the thumb drive with the song on it and getting it into the cell somehow.  The 'song' then plays on the cells player (the ribosome.)

 - DNA vaccines gene therapies (AstraZeneca, J&J) are basically the shot giving you a whole album in the form of an animal virus.  Some of the songs on the album were synthesized in their lab.  The virus then inserts the whole album onto your central hard drive (cell nucleus.)

    -  The designers expect that from time to time you will load up the right song from the album they gave you, put it on a thumb drive (RNA), transport it to a player (a ribosome in your cells cytoplasm) and it will make their music.

    - When the player makes their music, the cell starts expressing parts of the SARS-cov-2 virus.  Your immune system is then supposed to recognize these virus parts and develop an immune reaction.

As I said in an earlier explanation, it's fairly unknown what the regulatory mechanism is which keeps the song from playing to often, or keeps it from playing long after it is needed.  If the developers even tried to figure this stuff out it's a trade secret.  It seems like they intend to answer some of these questions simply by seeing what happens to the people who got the jab.

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Now to a contentious issue about 'changing DNA':

The adenovirus vector delivers DNA to the nucleus but it is supposed to be in it's own self-contained little ring (plasmid).  It is not supposed to mix with your cell's chromosomal DNA.  You could think of it as the chromosomal DNA is on the C: partition and the new album data is going onto the D: partition.  That's the theory anyway.

It is worth note that the RNA platform folks (Pfizer, Moderna) point out that the advantage of their methods are that it avoids the danger associated with the DNA platform (AstraZeneca) of unintended mixing of the synthetic DNA (their special song) with the chromosomal DNA.  Whether this is a real danger or a marketing ploy I do not know.  If adenovirus never mixes with chromosomal DNA, it's probably a fair bet that this theoretical danger is not that big a deal with the AstraZeneca gene therapy I would say.  I've not run across research on this one way or another.  But there are plenty of OTHER dangers which have nothing to do with genetic material mixing.

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Edit:  Important note on dis-info agents and plants.

Be very careful of ANYONE saying the vaccine will 'change your DNA'.  It is a well known and obvious psychological warfare technique to insert agents who pretend to be on one side but who's purpose is to sew confusion.

IF someone wants to point out the 'danger' of 'changing people's DNA' they need to either present it as a theoretical danger OR they need to link to high quality and credible research demonstrating this occurance.  I've not yet seen that happen.

There are well meaning people with valuable technical information who might 'slip up' and take things farther than they should, but for the most part if I see someone actually say this without proof I write them off of my list of credible persons.  It is VERY common for someone who may or may not be well meaning titling a vid something like 'scientists say it will change your genes', but when the content is viewed, the scientist said nothing of the sort or simply talked about the theoretical dangers.

Probably the most critical thing to understand about this whole scamdemic (and almost every other event of importance) is the informational warfare element.  It's sad but true.  The good news is that this element works similarly across a wide variety of situations so when you understand it in something like 9/11, you more or less understand it for the covid-19 scamdemic.  Understanding these informational warfare techniques is a valuable and necessary skill here in the world of 2021 even more than ever.

^^^ There are many people who want to reduce the population. We absolutely would like it if people would wake up. But if people refuse to wake up, let them enjoy their use of the vaccine to reduce the population by their own demise.

Nice, thank you for the input. Then the answer to the question "Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?" right now is Yes I Do, and will just wait for it to be available in our location 

That is great news, hope you don't experience any symptons.

In my country around 3% of the population got already the first dose, but only 0.6-0.7% of the people got the second dose. So far there isn't really a lot of new coverage on the symptons for the vaccine.

I just read in an article that there are now more vaccines being produces than there are actual corona cases. That is a good number in the few months since the discovery of the vaccines.

Bottom line is this, dont put junk into your veins. Check ingredients.

Some pain in the injection site, but minimal. I made the injection in the afternoom and i worked fof all the night and the morning and i slept 2 hours, so i was obviously tired, but after 12h of sleep i felt just fine. Among the dozen of collegues i know well, all young and healty, the second dose was generally very well tollerated.

you said
spins off mrna instruct the ribosome to pump out whatever protein the DNA designer intended..

ha .. funny.
nice way for you to back track by now saying its not dna but now 'mrna instructions' and not DNA programming but 'instructions which a designer(labtech) intended

so thank you for admitting that no DNA goes through the ribosome process.

next you have to learn what the mrna can and cant do
the M in mrna is messenger. .. the message (.doc file) is not firmware.

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anyway you seem to slowly be moving one step forward. so let just really clinche your motives of misinformation

your ambiguous buzzword of no particular meaning "gene therapy"
is your mindset for repeatedly using the word:
1. emphasising the 'therapy' part meaning helping someone medically to have better life prospects
2. emphasising the conspiracy of causing mutants and reprogramming people cells


if you answer 2. then it seems you are not ready for the next lesson.
so for one last time. lesson 1.
mRNA is not saRNA. nor is it modRNA nor is it tRNA nor is it rRNA. nor is it DNA


a little lesson in rna
DNA(using GCAT)
RNA(using GCAU)
notice that rna uses uracil(U) not thymine(T)

mRNA is not a bunch of code that reprograms ribosome to spurt out something completely differing
what happens is
if the sequence message was:
GCAACU -mrna
the ribosome will read (soak) in:
the G and know that G attaches to C
the C and know that C attaches to G
the A and know that A attaches to U
the A and know that A attaches to U
the C and know that C attaches to G
the U and know that U attaches to A

and what comes out is then
GCAACU -mrna
| | | | | |
CGUUGA-trna
and this happens without reprogramming the ribosome because the ribosome has always known what attaches to what.
GCAACU goes in.. CGUUGA comes out
milk&pink powder goes in.. strawberry milkshake comes out
soap&water goes in.. soap bubbles come out
the sponge has not changed

the message in rna is the ingredient list. not a pseudocode for a firmware update
there is no sarna.. so no self replication commands.. nor command to envelop itself and excrete it for other cells to latch onto

lesson two is fun as it then explains how the entangled mrna+trna (gcau lettering. not gcat lettering) then go through the rRNA process to be made into a protein a lil tip ahead of the lesson.
no firmware upgrades happen here either

but lets not skip to lesson two. because i dont think you realise the tRNA now entangled with the mRNA is not in the vial. there is no tRNA in the vaccine. its the simple locking the opposite to its messenger. no programming required.
nor is this entangled mRNA+tRNA declared as dna. because its still using uracil not thymine

No body aches, fatigue, low grade fever or anything?

Where do you feel the pain? The vaccine clinical trial data is online and only a few people in trials experienced any side effects - https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-publication-results-landmark

This varies greatly from the moderna vaccine where side effects were rampant during the second dose.

The vaccine is generally safe, but a lot of people say the second dose makes you feel like shit.

Hello,

I am back as promised to inform everyone that two days ago i had my second vaccine dose.

I feel fine and i didn't felt any noticiable reaction, besides a slight pain.

Pray for my soul

I'm doubtful that Israelis are getting 'normal' vaccines.  To the degree that they are, I'd bet money that the semites (Arabs and Sephardi) are getting it and the Khazars (Ashkenazi) are getting something else.  Prophecy calls for 1/3 of the chosen to eat the big one on the next round, but I doubt that this is the right time for that to go down.

For people who do not know, Israel is a pretty ethnic supremacist place.  I once asked an Israeli friend of mine the difference between Ashkenazi and Sephardi.  He said that the Sephardi are 'the dumb ones'.  He was joking...sort of...  To put things into American context, the Sephardi would be kind of like the 'spics' or 'niggers' to the pure-blood Ashkenazi.

The Sephardi are good for taking the blame for shit.  Like, say, some 10 year old Arab kid is set on fire and burnt to death by the settlers.  If it can be said that the perp was a Sephardi, it's the first thing which you'll read about in the mainstream (Israeli) media...you'll never hear of it in the U.S. media of course.

Pfizer's CEO, a veterinarian of Greek nationality, is a Sephardic Jew by the way.  He's the guy who, when asked if he got the shot, says that the Pfizer vaccine is not for 'his type.'  I anticipate a lot more mention of the guy's ethnicity when the true nature of the Pfizer vaccine is out.

Are More People Being Harmed by the Pfizer Experimental “Vaccine” than from COVID?
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/are-more-people-being-harmed-by-the-pfizer-experimental-vaccine-than-from-covid-israeli-population-now-the-worlds-lab-rats-sold-out-to-pfizer/

Being a member of a Private Membership Association (PMA) - as are all the citizens of their PMA government - has its perks. In the USA PMA, the government actually encourages PMA's that are not part of it. Operating within the purvue of a PMA in the USA takes the USA government almost entirely out of the picture. Search on it. And the best thing is that doing so is making the USA government stronger in ways that we hardly can conceive of.

Which happens to be exactly what I said.

The additional DNA added to the nucleus of whatever cell happens to get infected by the chimpanzee adenovirus spins off mRNA.  That RNA exits the nucleus into the cells cytoplasm, finds a ribosome, and instructs the ribosome to start pumping out whatever proteins the DNA designers intended.

BioNTech and Moderna's 'mRNA' gene therapy platform differs in that instead of having the cell transcribe the mRNA from the genetically engineered DNA transfecting the cells nucleus, they build the mRNA in the factory, wrap it in protective lipids, and get it into the cytoplasm only.  It's a somewhat more controllable process though it's still pretty random what types of cells in the body suddenly start going crazy and spitting out crazy shit.  Could be a neuron in the central nervous system, could be a cell which makes platelets for the blood, could be just about anything.  Random chance.  Whatever the case, the body starts to not like that whole class of cell...and you might get a healthy 56 year old doctor dieing in a few weeks of thrombocytopenia.

Now that we've established the basic function of the AstraZeneca (Oxford) DNA-based gene therapy platform, I'll take things a little farther.  This for the benefit of my 'developing-world' friends.  AstraZeneca is destined for the populous countries.  Rich people seem to be happy to dig deep into their pockets to get doses for the poor people.  That's mighty nice of them wouldn't ya say?

India happens to be one of the populous countries, and also for historical reasons associated with the empire upon which the sun used to never set is perhaps more aware than most of the kind of institution Oxford tends to be.  Small wonder the factory destined to pump out the doses caught fire.  Out of a billion people there will be at least a few patriots.

Anyway, we've established that the DNA plasmids introduced into the effected cell spin round-n-round pumping out mRNA which moves out smartly to coax the cells ribosomes into producing virus parts (and God only knows what else.)  The body is supposed to learn to fight these virus parts.

Ever read the story 'The Sorcerer's Apprentice'?  Ya, it's like that.

It's possible that Oxford has thought about how to regulate the process of RNA transcription and thus non-normal proteins to which the body has an increasingly strong immune reaction.  It's also possible that they have not and could not give a shit less.  Trade secret.  Lots of trade secrets these days.

If one is relying on 'government oversight' to make sure that Big Pharma is looking out for the victims of their wares one has not been paying attention.  And lots of people will pay for this oversight with their lives I'm afraid.  Many more with their fertility I would guess.

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I'll keep warning the peeps of the dangers as long as you keep prodding me frank-n-beans.  Maybe longer; it's good for the soul.

i would have just confused you even more if i said nucleocapsid

i thought because you dont want to be specific about protein/rna therapy. you were not ready to handle the finer details of nucleocapsids

dont forget. i tried to be more sciency.. it was you that thought back wanting to be more basic by wanting to use the 3rd grader buzzword 'gene therapy' umbrella term

3rd graders understand nucleus is the bit that contains the nucleic acid and dna.
but anyway. while you play grammar nazi. crying when its too specific then crying when its 3rd grader basic.

the reality is ... the mrna comes out of the vaccine and is used by the ribosome to become a spike protein
the ribosome is not converted/mutated/hybridised. it acts like a sponge. it just mixes whatever is handed to it. and pushes out something else.
a kitchen mixing bowl is not re-programmed if one day you put flour and eggs into it. and another day you put chocolate and icecream

its the ingredients that determine the result. not the mutation of the mixing bowl
its the words in a .doc file that determine whats printed. not the upgrade of the printer firmware

you dont need to mutate the mixing bowl per snack
you dont need to upgrade the printer per document

the mrna that goes through the ribosome.. is not DNA

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and please before you even dare now backtrack and say "i never said it did".. remember your whole mantra for many many months has been the billgates mutant human conspiracy.
and please dont even bother being a grammar nazi idiot saying 'i never said the words billgates mutant human'
the context of your bill gates gene therapy is you insinuating such. i know your hiding behind umbrella ambiguous words. but your just not that clever